Morrissey Central "WAR IS OLD, ART IS YOUNG" (August 29, 2024)

August 29, 2024

In June 2024 AEG Entertainment Group made a lucrative offer to both Morrissey and Marr to tour worldwide as 'The Smiths' throughout 2025.
Morrissey said Yes to the offer; Marr ignored the offer.

Morrissey undertakes a largely sold out tour of the USA in November.
Marr continues to tour as a special guest to New Order.

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• Morrissey-solo.com: "Johnny Marr uses Nigel Farage image to dismiss reunion talk" - August 27, 2024

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I suppose to emphasise the fact that he and Johnny were made an 'attractive' offer? Clearly not attractive enough for Johnny. Is there enough money in the world to make Johnny want to share a series of live dates with Morrissey again? Who knows.

Probably. Though maybe his son would never forgive him. Lol

The 40 Years of Morrissey fiasco can't have helped.

what does that have to do with Marr?

 

[Anon of Manc]

Anyone who has ever witnessed Johnny being asked about this very topic “a reunion” will know that it’s a definite No.

He’s happy, and loving life.

 

[Skylarker]

I infer nothing, those are questions. But since you brought it up, he seems to be low on options.

Low on options? He has always had a revolving door or eager-to-please musicians. Continues to sell out shows. Continues to write and record great music.

Doesn't exactly smack of desperation to me.

 

[Skylarker]

The obvious is that Morrissey for whatever reason wants a Smiths reunion more than Marr.

They're getting older. I think Andy's death shook him. Same thing happened with Nesmith when Davy Jones died.

 

[JerryCan]

...
I don’t see him as someone who has in any way managed to evolve into a person who understands how to take pride in his own achievements and genius, in a way that also elevates the other person. Anyone at Johnny’s age, and with his talents, who still doesn’t know how to do this - is someone who has not grown up at all.
...

I've often wondered if Johnny's issue is that he knows that both his success and hangup is that he needed M to get to where he is. He's stuck with him. So many fans wanting them back together regardless of all that's passed must irk.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

lol with a sassy post like that it's no wonder marr doesn't want to work with him!

Actually, it’s because Marr hasn’t worked with someone as ‘sassy’ as Morrissey, which is why Marr hasn’t written as great a music since The Smiths. But I’m just pointing out the obvious.

The obvious is that Morrissey for whatever reason wants a Smiths reunion more than Marr.

Yes that’s also obvious. So what’s the point of your reply?

 

[bored]

Morrissey has repeatedly shown a public face of graciousness towards Johnny, and he is definitely the one continuing to take the high road.

I wouldn't call the following "the high road":

"The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings. Yet you talk as if you were my personal psychiatrist with consistent and uninterrupted access to my instincts. We haven’t known each other for 35 years - which is many lifetimes ago. When we met you and I were not successful. We both helped each other become whatever it is we are today. Can you not just leave it at that? Must you persistently, year after year, decade after decade, blame me for everything … from the 2007 Solomon Islands tsunami to the dribble on your grandma’s chin?"

At that time Johnny was mentioning Morrissey in just about every interview but it was all accolades about how amazing Moz was during their time together with The Smiths.

Link to full letter to JM: https://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/open-letter-to-johnny-marr

 

[JerryCan]

True. But AEG Entertainment Group and I’m sure others seem to see it differently. And as someone already mentioned, it’s probable that Joyce is not in any shape to play those songs anyway.

Money is already in motion. AEG would have done all the sums before approaching them. Often wonder if Mike has kept up with playing. He may be busy with his kit in his mancave at this very moment. Of course he may not be anywhere near all this anyway... unless he too said YES!

 

[Orange Crush]

He said he'd rather eat his own testicles than reform The Smiths.. perhaps he had a nibble and said.. "I was wrong on that one."

I do think he often speaks with a plum in his mouth

 

[The Alchemist]

What exactly prompted that open letter then?

 

[bored]

Money is already in motion. AEG would have done all the sums before approaching them. Often wonder if Mike has kept up with playing. He may be busy with his kit in his mancave at this very moment. Of course he may not be anywhere near all this anyway... unless he too said YES!

Moz/Marr are the requirement. I imagine Mike Joyce would not even be allowed to buy a ticket to a show based on Morrissey's hatred toward him.

 

[Billy A]

No doubt Morrissey has been contacted about Marr's recent post about a reunion.

I want Marr to respond to Morrissey's post and for it to talk about Morrissey's political views. It'll probably be a long one using quotes from Morrissey regarding his views. However, this would leave the door open for...

Morrissey to respond and to explain what he's said in the past and how what he has said has been misinterpreted. He should do this anyway. He should explain what he meant about Farage being a good Prime Minister and wearing a pin of For Britain. It's quite easy:

"I do not align myself with the views of Farage other than I felt Brexit would be a good thing. Any person with an unhooked brain and a minute to spare would know that Brexit is a Left-wing view no more than it is a Right-wing view. I don't recall anyone referring to Jeremy Corbyn as right-wing. However, there is no mistaking Farage's communication skills and ability to appeal to the working class and inspire. These are good qualities for any prime minister and at the time I said what I said, Farage stood out. I didn't mean to endorse him!"

"I care for animals more than I do humanity. If there is any living creature on this planet that has been treated the worst it is the chicken, the cow, the pig, the lamb, the horse, the dog, the fish, the rat... the list is endless. Our so-called need to take away a life of a mother, a child, to satisfy one's hunger and desire to wear a fur coat, will forever be this planet's scar. I said what I said about the political party For Britain because they had the best animal rights policies than any other political party. Policies for the good of animals should be a priority for everyone. I do not vote; never have and most likely never will. Although I rather like the Irish-fire in Anne Marie Waters, I regret my display of support for her party, For Britain. It was Waters and the party's policies on animal welfare that I wanted to make people aware of, not anything else."

Imagine if he just said something like that. People's views on him would change... and maybe Marr's.

 

[Uncleskinny]

No doubt Morrissey has been contacted about Marr's recent post about a reunion.

I want Marr to respond to Morrissey's post and for it to talk about Morrissey's political views. It'll probably be a long one using quotes from Morrissey regarding his views. However, this would leave the door open for...

Morrissey to respond and to explain what he's said in the past and how what he has said has been misinterpreted. He should do this anyway. He should explain what he meant about Farage being a good Prime Minister and wearing a pin of For Britain. It's quite easy:

"I do not align myself with the views of Farage other than I felt Brexit would be a good thing. Any person with an unhooked brain and a minute to spare would know that Brexit is a Left-wing view no more than it is a Right-wing view. I don't recall anyone referring to Jeremy Corbyn as right-wing. However, there is no mistaking Farage's communication skills and ability to appeal to the working class and inspire. These are good qualities for any prime minister and at the time I said what I said, Farage stood out. I didn't mean to endorse him!"

"I care for animals more than I do humanity. If there is any living creature on this planet that has been treated the worst it is the chicken, the cow, the pig, the lamb, the horse, the dog, the fish, the rat... the list is endless. Our so-called need to take away a life of a mother, a child, to satisfy one's hunger and desire to wear a fur coat, will forever be this planet's scar. I said what I said about the political party For Britain because they had the best animal rights policies than any other political party. Policies for the good of animals should be a priority for everyone. I do not vote; never have and most likely never will. Although I rather like the Irish-fire in Anne Marie Waters, I regret my display of support for her party, For Britain. It was Waters and the party's policies on animal welfare that I wanted to make people aware of, not anything else."

Imagine if he just said something like that. People's views on him would change... and maybe Marr's.

As had been said numerous times on here, he could have chosen any party that had a good record on animal rights. He chose the Nazis. And it became apparent via his multiple postings and quotes, that he endorsed extreme far right candidates. That's fact. Whether you like it or not.

 

[gashonthenail]

what does that have to do with Marr?

Because if Morrissey cancels / doesn't show up, it makes Marr look bad too.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Morrissey did well to share this post on Central and I’m glad he did. There have been many times in his career that he has had to rise above everything around him. That appears to still be the case.

In reality, the absolute truth of the matter is that true greatness can only ever be cultivated in solitude. And away from the mediocre majority.

Some people understand this innately. Morrissey always understood and knows this perfectly.

 

[Gray Fruit]

No doubt Morrissey has been contacted about Marr's recent post about a reunion.

I want Marr to respond to Morrissey's post and for it to talk about Morrissey's political views. It'll probably be a long one using quotes from Morrissey regarding his views. However, this would leave the door open for...

Morrissey to respond and to explain what he's said in the past and how what he has said has been misinterpreted. He should do this anyway. He should explain what he meant about Farage being a good Prime Minister and wearing a pin of For Britain. It's quite easy:

"I do not align myself with the views of Farage other than I felt Brexit would be a good thing. Any person with an unhooked brain and a minute to spare would know that Brexit is a Left-wing view no more than it is a Right-wing view. I don't recall anyone referring to Jeremy Corbyn as right-wing. However, there is no mistaking Farage's communication skills and ability to appeal to the working class and inspire. These are good qualities for any prime minister and at the time I said what I said, Farage stood out. I didn't mean to endorse him!"

"I care for animals more than I do humanity. If there is any living creature on this planet that has been treated the worst it is the chicken, the cow, the pig, the lamb, the horse, the dog, the fish, the rat... the list is endless. Our so-called need to take away a life of a mother, a child, to satisfy one's hunger and desire to wear a fur coat, will forever be this planet's scar. I said what I said about the political party For Britain because they had the best animal rights policies than any other political party. Policies for the good of animals should be a priority for everyone. I do not vote; never have and most likely never will. Although I rather like the Irish-fire in Anne Marie Waters, I regret my display of support for her party, For Britain. It was Waters and the party's policies on animal welfare that I wanted to make people aware of, not anything else."

Imagine if he just said something like that. People's views on him would change... and maybe Marr's.

It doesn't matter what is said in the press AT each other. It comes down to a broken personal and professional relationship and seeing if that could be healed.

 

[gashonthenail]

As had been said numerous times on here, he could have chosen any party that had a good record on animal rights. He chose the Nazis. And it became apparent via his multiple postings and quotes, that he endorsed extreme far right candidates. That's fact. Whether you like it or not.

I thought he chose For Britain?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Because if Morrissey cancels / doesn't show up, it makes Marr look bad too.

Nah. It would just confirm that Morrissey will cancel shows.

 

[bored]

What exactly prompted that open letter then?

The open letter struck me as odd because Johnny sounded like Morrissey's biggest fan. He was on the circuit doing interviews for his upcoming 4 part album. I do think he was leveraging The Smiths to drum up interest in his new release and I don't blame him. It felt like he was really opening the door to Morrissey to work together again and my feeling at the time was.. "Morrissey would never do this."

Now we are here and "Johnny f***in' Marr" has become, as my son put it, "Johnny f*** You Marr".
We agree that we feel angry at Marr because we never thought he would be the one preventing a reunion but we also know that there are plenty of reasons we know about that would leave Marr uninterested but wonder about all the things we never heard about.

I don't now if Morrissey has it in him to call Johnny and have a real conversation with him and get to the real issues that are in play here. I think it would require ownership of things each has said and sincere apologies. I believe Johnny has that in him. I am not sure Morrissey does. He had that time of remorse in the late 00's where he took back a lot of stuff he said about Elton John et al and admitted he was just trying to stir up attention but that softer Moz was short-lived.

Alain has talked about this potential reunion on FB. I'd love to know what he know about all this since he knows them both but I understand he will never speak about anything that isn't already public.

I nominate Alain Whyte to broker the deal and play rhythm guitar on the tour. Yes, that's crazy talk I'm spouting but let an old man dream a little.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Great title, incidentally, for this announcement. It was absolutely perfect.

The depths modern art has been exploring are mysterious depths, full of strange fish.