Morrissey Central "WAR IS OLD, ART IS YOUNG" (August 29, 2024)

August 29, 2024

In June 2024 AEG Entertainment Group made a lucrative offer to both Morrissey and Marr to tour worldwide as 'The Smiths' throughout 2025.
Morrissey said Yes to the offer; Marr ignored the offer.

Morrissey undertakes a largely sold out tour of the USA in November.
Marr continues to tour as a special guest to New Order.

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• Morrissey-solo.com: "Johnny Marr uses Nigel Farage image to dismiss reunion talk" - August 27, 2024

 

[BrokenFrame]

I know a lot of people who vote for Farage, so Johnny's insult might be a bit out of touch.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Maybe Moz said yes after Johnny said no.

Maybe in hope that Marr would change his mind.

 

[gashonthenail]

It does look like Moz maybe needed / needs the money? The last few years must have been difficult for him, in all sorts of ways. And he remains unsigned.
Johnny doesn't. Johnny must have been doing very well the last few years. Playing music that is used for a movie soundtrack, for example, can pay big bucks - and this was James Bond we are talking about. Johnny I'm sure is very comfortable.
And let's be honest. To work with Morrissey again, you would need a lot of money to make that worthwhile. A man who cancels at the last minute, doesn't communicate, walks off stage if he feels like it. Maybe the Farage pic was just Johnny's way of shorthanding all that?

 

[bored]

Very interesting indeed.
I'm wondering what made him change his mind, as he's always said 'no, no, no' to a Smiths reunion....

He said he'd rather eat his own testicles than reform The Smiths.. perhaps he had a nibble and said.. "I was wrong on that one."

 

[gcpc]

Maybe in hope that Marr would change his mind.

Or just to be pedantic!

 

[bored]

It does look like Moz maybe needed / needs the money? The last few years must have been difficult for him, in all sorts of ways. And he remains unsigned.
Johnny doesn't. Johnny must have been doing very well the last few years. Playing music that is used for a movie soundtrack, for example, can pay big bucks - and this was James Bond we are talking about. Johnny I'm sure is very comfortable.
And let's be honest. To work with Morrissey again, you would need a lot of money to make that worthwhile. A man who cancels at the last minute, doesn't communicate, walks off stage if he feels like it. Maybe the Farage pic was just Johnny's way of shorthanding all that?

He might want the money but I doubt he needs it.

He also might want sold out massive venues not small ones.

 

[BrokenFrame]

It does look like Moz maybe needed / needs the money? The last few years must have been difficult for him, in all sorts of ways. And he remains unsigned.
Johnny doesn't. Johnny must have been doing very well the last few years. Playing music that is used for a movie soundtrack, for example, can pay big bucks - and this was James Bond we are talking about. Johnny I'm sure is very comfortable.
And let's be honest. To work with Morrissey again, you would need a lot of money to make that worthwhile. A man who cancels at the last minute, doesn't communicate, walks off stage if he feels like it. Maybe the Farage pic was just Johnny's way of shorthanding all that?

I just took it as Marr can't handle the fact that Morrissey has different political beliefs.
I like both of them, but Marr's attitude sucks sometimes.

 

[vegan angst machine]

I wonder why he wanted to make clear that it was "lucrative."

 

[BrokenFrame]

I wonder why he wanted to make clear that it was "lucrative."

He has been known to show off/brag.

 

[unloveable]

He has been known to show off/brag.

And probably because people always will wonder ‘what if they offered them big money’
Everyone knows that’s the only way to
“convince”them, sure art is there but it’s not that it should be just an offer, it has to be huge round convincing amount.

 

[gashonthenail]

I wonder why he wanted to make clear that it was "lucrative."

I suppose to emphasise the fact that he and Johnny were made an 'attractive' offer? Clearly not attractive enough for Johnny. Is there enough money in the world to make Johnny want to share a series of live dates with Morrissey again? Who knows. The 40 Years of Morrissey fiasco can't have helped.

 

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Morrissey claims Johnny Marr 'ignored' 2025 Smiths reunion offer

The singer says his former bandmate turned down a "lucrative offer" to tour together in 2025.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Tampa Moz Fan]

I'm very surprised Morrissey said yes to the reunion. He was adamantly against it before. But as others have said he does seem more sentimental about the Smiths these days. Marr could have just said he wasn't interested but had to get a dig in with the Farange image (even though Morrissey hasn't said anything about him in years). He deserved the belittling comment from Moz. Doesn't seem like there is any chance of it happening now

 

[BookishBoy]

I suppose to emphasise the fact that he and Johnny were made an 'attractive' offer? Clearly not attractive enough for Johnny. Is there enough money in the world to make Johnny want to share a series of live dates with Morrissey again? Who knows. The 40 Years of Morrissey fiasco can't have helped.

No, there really isn't.

Johnny has set out his whole stall for the last few years as being unimpeachably cool, leftist, likeable, progressive, in touch with his roots, with his fans, etc etc. (I don't mean this in a cynical way, it may well be completely heartfelt.) For him to then "backtrack" on that image, to work with prickly, problematic Morrissey again, would make Johnny look like a sham. So it won't happen.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

I would bet on that being carefully calculated.

You can pretty much guarantee he's read this book.

I have also previously seen Morrissey described as Machiavellian.

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Just because Morrissey needed, and does need, to stay one step ahead, and just because he is responsible for protecting his own interests - aren’t we all? doesn’t mean his words or actions need to be labeled as Machiavellian. Or that every action or decision comes from a place of ill-will

That is really doing him such an unfair disservice, but what else is new, because it removes all context and all nuance in order to reduce something… everything… down to nothing more than a simplistic, one dimensional, completely negative epithet.

Morrissey has repeatedly shown a public face of graciousness towards Johnny, and he is definitely the one continuing to take the high road.

Johnny’s attitude has been beyond disappointing, and shockingly immature, including recently. I never could have in my wildest teenage dreams ever dreamt that Johnny would show the face that he has been showing for the last few years. Yes, it’s all still mixed in with his best I’m Mr. Popularity vibes, but sorry, if there’s ONE thing I’ve ever had a completely intuitive finesse for, it’s my ability to look at a person, or a thing, or an interaction, and to be able to instantly distill it right down and see it for what it truly is.

It saddens me to the extent that I don’t even feel like saying this, but I’ll say it anyway, just this once - I don’t see Johnny as someone who has evolved in any way befitting of his years - or even befitting of someone of his own stature.

I don’t see him as someone who has in any way managed to evolve into a person who understands how to take pride in his own achievements and genius, in a way that also elevates the other person. Anyone at Johnny’s age, and with his talents, who still doesn’t know how to do this - is someone who has not grown up at all.

Instead of standing side by side and shoulder to shoulder, if for nothing else than to publicly show a united front in their mutual pride for what they created and achieved, and for their legacy that they should be proud of and able to celebrate together, and which came as a result of their once beautiful, creative cosmic collision together, instead, Johnny is passive aggressively still making small pecks and little implied digs.

Yet Morrissey gets called Machiavellian, not just by you, and actually not just Machiavellian.

 

[Moltisanti]

I honestly fail to see the rationale behind Morrissey's message about saying yes to an offer to reform The Smiths. He just laid himself open to attacks from the usual crowd.

 

[The Alchemist]

Just because Morrissey needed, and does need, to stay one step ahead, and just because he is responsible for protecting his own interests - aren’t we all? doesn’t mean his words or actions need to be labeled as Machiavellian. Or that every action or decision comes from a place of ill-will

That is really doing him such an unfair disservice, but what else is new, because it removes all context and all nuance in order to reduce something… everything… down to nothing more than a simplistic, one dimensional, completely negative epithet.

Morrissey has repeatedly shown a public face of graciousness towards Johnny, and he is definitely the one continuing to take the high road.

Johnny’s attitude has been beyond disappointing, and shockingly immature, including recently. I never could have in my wildest teenage dreams ever dreamt that Johnny would show the face that he has been showing for the last few years. Yes, it’s all still mixed in with his best I’m Mr. Popularity vibes, but sorry, if there’s ONE thing I’ve ever had a completely intuitive finesse for, it’s my ability to look at a person, or a thing, or an interaction, and to be able to instantly distill it right down and see it for what it truly is.

It saddens me to the extent that I don’t even feel like saying this, but I’ll say it anyway, just this once - I don’t see Johnny as someone who has evolved in any way befitting of his years - or even befitting of someone of his own stature.

I don’t see him as someone who has in any way managed to evolve into a person who understands how to take pride in his own achievements and genius, in a way that also elevates the other person. Anyone at Johnny’s age, and with his talents, who still doesn’t know how to do this - is someone who has not grown up at all.

Instead of standing side by side and shoulder to shoulder, if for nothing else than to publicly show a united front in their mutual pride for what they created and achieved, and for their legacy that they should be proud of and able to celebrate together, and which came as a result of their once beautiful, creative cosmic collision together, instead, Johnny is passive aggressively still making small pecks and little implied digs.

Yet Morrissey gets called Machiavellian, not just by you, and actually not just Machiavellian.

It was just an observation that he is very literate (and has probably read those books)

In additon, he's naturally clever enough to use such material to his advantage.

I also remember seeing the Machiavellian term used in print to describe him.

A lot of what he does and says may well be calculated, but as you quite rightly point out, that doesn't always mean it is for negative reasons.

I've said previously that I feel for Morrissey's vulnerabilities and that actually the world doesn't really understand him. To be honest, that makes me want to put an arm around him and shelter him from the horrors he's had to put up with for decades. I do believe that beyond all of the words of defence, he is very sensitive at heart.

Alas, all I can do is hope that he has a thicker skin than I imagine. Or that he has the right people around him to take away some of the pain he has to endure on a seemingly daily basis.

His excellent use of cunning over the years has helped to defend and protect himself on numerous occasions - including, I'm sure - many unjustified jibes. He'd probably even say that he was more than happy with his own mastery of cunning, if asked (and that it had served him well)

In these terms, I think it could be viewed as an asset.

 

[gashonthenail]

There is another possibility. Maybe Johnny didn't like the idea of touring as The Smiths, so soon after Andy's death? Would it be The Smiths if it was just Morrissey and Marr up there, plus some session musicians?

 

[Surface]

Actually, it’s because Marr hasn’t worked with someone as ‘sassy’ as Morrissey, which is why Marr hasn’t written as great a music since The Smiths. But I’m just pointing out the obvious.

The obvious is that Morrissey for whatever reason wants a Smiths reunion more than Marr.