Morrissey Central "WAR IS OLD, ART IS YOUNG" (August 29, 2024)

August 29, 2024

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In June 2024 AEG Entertainment Group made a lucrative offer to both Morrissey and Marr to tour worldwide as 'The Smiths' throughout 2025.
Morrissey said Yes to the offer; Marr ignored the offer.

Morrissey undertakes a largely sold out tour of the USA in November.
Marr continues to tour as a special guest to New Order.



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Golden Boy Johnny is just a vitue signaling plank who wants to please his lefty mates,whilst sensibly losing out on millions. His sideman status suits him well.

I think you are mistaken, not taking millions to stand by your principles is actual virtue - not virtue signaling.
 
M would probably want to pick musicians (def Jesse) and control song selection, etc. And of course, no Mike.

As loyal as Jesse has been to him. I really think M would defer to Marr’s wishes as to who is in the band. Though I still can’t believe M would share the stage with Joyce, not unless the offer was especially lucrative. Lol.
 
To be honest if Morrissey wants a reconciliation he should clarify/soften his political position.
Johnny is worried that the Smiths will reform and then Morrissey will embarrass him.
Morrissey will go on being Morrissey, he’s still very good at it, and does it better than anyone else. I don’t know about embarrassment, but we all know Johnny cares about his reputation and the career he wants to continue with, couldn’t take the risk of working with someone as outspoken as Morrissey is, specifically in these times.
It’s a reasonable fear "The Smiths" have one voice and largely it belongs to old big mouth. Both need to make an effort to rebuild trust. The slightly disappointing thing is that Morrissey appears (from this statement) to be interested soley in the money and at the same time prepared to play silly one up manship power games (my audience is bigger than yours). Whem arguably their solo careers are equally faltering. They both need to grow up and immediately. Personally I'm not that interested in feeling exploited by watching 60+ year old men, who visibly dislike each other, run through their greatest hits, from 40+ years ago, with a unrelated rhythm section, in an drafty arena, when its all just for the money.

A reformation might be fun?


Ah, so you’ve had a change of heart already? ;)
 
... Maybe Noel will end up talking Johnny into it. Or maybe from a close position in the wings at the Oasis reunion, Johnny will see for himself all of the potential pitfalls.


I wonder if they were to tour, when Morrissey inevitably cancels a scheduled performance(s), would Johnny go on by himself?
I think he would. Johnny can sing the songs himself now.
 
I think he would. Johnny can sing the songs himself now.

Sure, I guess. But most, including me, would leave and demand a refund. If people think Morrissey tickets are expensive, wait till they see the prices for a reunion.
 
Although Johnny Marr referenced Nigel Farage, I think the real deal-breaker for him is Morrissey's endorsement of the explicitly anti-Muslim group 'For Britain', an endorsement that Morrissey has never apologised for or recanted of.

If Johnny Marr were to share a stage with someone who remains unapologetic about endorsing a specifically racist and bigoted ideological group then his reputation would be similarly destroyed.

Morrissey is, once again, completely delusional in believing that he was ever more than 25% of The Smiths.

He is musically autistic, lost in a self-referential fantasy that posits The Singer as paramount and privileged above The Guitarist , The Bass Player and The Drummer.

In his bizarre worldview The Smiths existed as a vehicle for his self-aggrandising wittering and he allowed his legal representative to dismiss 50% of The Smiths as replaceable lawnmower parts.

He's now a truly desperate and pathetic spectacle. Having spent nearly four decades as a karaoke 🎤 tribute act impersonating the singer in The Smiths, this troubled soul now imagines he can foist his tribute act nonsense onto the gullible 'clueless consumers' under the brand name of The Smiths. Ridiculous twit so he is.

The Smiths can never reform because one quarter of that radical art collective, Andy Rourke, has died.

Even if Andy Rourke were still alive, there's also the vexed issue of The Drummer..

Led Zeppelin without John Bonham isn't Led Zeppelin.

Black Sabbath without Bill Ward isn't Black Sabbath.

The Smiths without Mike Joyce isn't The Smiths.

Because Morrissey is musically illiterate he simply cannot grasp that his fantasy that he is more important than the other members of The Smiths is nonsensical.

He appears to be lost in all manner of absurd notions which privilege the vocal melody and lyrics above the rhythm section. Only a musically ignorant moron would ever spout such drivel.

If a project called 'Morrissey and Marr interpret The Smiths' were to be billed as such, that would be fine. Probably an anodyne rehash of the past but harmless enough.

However, having been publically exposed as having financially disadvantaged both The Drummer and The Bass Player, it would be outrageous to now try to profit further from exploiting the contributions of Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce using hired session musicians to impersonate their musical genius.

I'm pretty sure Johnny Marr is cognisant of the likely consequences of publicly associating with Morrissey without his former band mate issuing a public apology for endorsing For Britain.

Using the image of Nigel Farage is, in fact, a diplomatic gesture as it avoids reigniting the unresolved issue of Morrissey's disgraceful endorsement of For Britain.

I've no idea if Johnny Marr also feels it would be tasteless to replace Andy Rourke with a session musician but I m certain it would be a grotesque facsimile of The Smiths.

R.I.P Andy Rourke

Best wishes

BrummieBoy

'In April 2018, the singer-songwriter Morrissey declared his support for For Britain.

The party fielded 15 candidates in the 2018 local elections, none being elected. The party came last in almost all the seats it contested.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Britain_Movement#:~:text=In April 2018, the singer,all the seats it contested.
I can't tell if you are joking or Mike Joyce in disguise, but Mike Joyce is absolutely replaceable. There are few drummers who aren't (Keith Moon, Bonham). Joyce is nowhere near that level. Many drummers out there can play his parts. Nobody can replace Morrissey or Marr. Rourke was a great player but he was almost replaced at one point. He wrote some amazing bass lines but someone could play his parts and it would still sound like the Smiths.

I suppose you don't like Morrissey because of some of the things he's said (I'm assuming you were okay with him singing about the Queen's death and decapitating Margaret Thatcher) but you can't deny his talent. Like it or not he was the most important member of the Smiths.
 
The obvious is that Morrissey for whatever reason wants a Smiths reunion more than Marr.
It was Marr that left The Smiths first.. listening to post-Smiths interviews with Morrissey, you could tell it's not what Morrissey wanted to happen. This alone, to me, makes it clear that Morrissey wants a taste again, and Johnny doesn't miss it. I bet Morrissey has always wanted it, but he instead put his defences up by saying things like, "Id rather eat my own testicles," etc. etc. I don't think he ever, deep down, truly meant any of that.
My heart breaks for him.. I can't help it.
 
Can’t blame Marr for not wanting to play manager again for Smiths part II.

Though, I guess Marr will make sure that’s all by contract sorted out this time.
 
All your friends and your foes
would rather die,
than have to touch you...

In these times, guilt by association could mean the loss of one’s livelihood.
 
To be honest I would rather see a reunion of the classic 90’s Moz solo band with Gazzer on Bass,Spencer on drums and Alain and Boz. Bring back unbelievable Melodie’s like how about a new official studio version of songs like Kit. The last couple of solo M albums heavily influenced by his half Latin band and infatuation with Mexican men just in my opinion didn’t have as strong of classic or lyrics as most of his previous catalog. I agree with whoever said Andy is dead now and I get the whole court royalty payment thing but I’m not as excited to see Marr and Morrissey with a fake watered down version of the Smiths when all the classic 90’s solo band guys are still very healthy and striving and I’m sure would love to be apart of a new album and tour. I get it that Alain left over some management he didn’t like and Boz is slowing down as he aged and now has grandkids. But I think that would be more exciting then a fake Marr and Morrissey Smiths reunion. What if the classic 90’s lineup did an entire tour playing the whole Vaxhaul album as a warm up to a brand new album???
 

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