Johnny Marr uses Nigel Farage image to dismiss reunion talk (August 27, 2024)

I’m not the only delusional and Johnny is listening

Now picked up by the BBC:
Johnny Marr uses Nigel Farage image to dismiss reunion talk

Johnny Marr uses Nigel Farage image to dismiss The Smiths reunion

The guitarist kills talk of reuniting with Morrissey by sharing a picture of the Clacton MP on X.

www.bbc.co.uk

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Related items:

• Morrissey-solo.com: "Johnny Marr on Morrissey's politics - interview in Sky News" - November 1, 2016
• Morrissey-solo.com: "Johnny Marr tweets response to Smiths reunion rumours" - Nov 7, 2019
• NME: "Johnny Marr responds to fan call for The Smiths reunion in light of Oasis rumours" - August 27, 2024

 

[Les Tameside]

Sex Pistols, Pink Floyd, The Stone Roses, The Velvet Underground: all assured the fans a reunion would never, and could never, happen. Until it happened.

Robert Plant maintained a Led Zeppelin reunion was ‘impossible’. Then reunited the band. And then said it was still ‘impossible’. And then reunited the band again. And then said it would ‘never’ happen, but accepted it had actually happened previously, despite the impossibility. Set alongside all of that, a picture of Farage basically seems like an open invitation to Morrissey.

 

[JerryCan]

... Set alongside all of that, a picture of Farage basically seems like an open invitation to Morrissey.

I like your thinking!

 

[DaveJCarr]

Exactly. And you can tell there is no true substance to the whole 'argument' because their reference points are years out of date on both sides. Moz thinks Johnny is walking around complaining about Golden Lights like it's 1986 (!), and JM keeps mentioning Nigel Farage when Moz hasn't spoken about him in five years. It's almost laughable. There are times when I think they are both cooking up this 'feud' for the attention but it doesn't look good, especially with Andy gone now.

I suppose, but they both made abundantly clear of the years, they share little in common, and may not even like (or respect) each other now. Time can have a way of either allowing folks to see and cherish the good they time they had together or (with more info and time, throw things in retroactive clarity to recall the noxious, bothersome qualities that they may have ignored for the sake if the music/band erc.

Is the Farage thing a bi childish and outdated sure. But it does harken to a paint of significant disagreement between them, it is taking Morrissey's words seriously and sincerely- as he always seems to want people to do.

Are large tracks od Moz's autobiography, his recollections and score keeping about Golden lights and so much else also childish? Is it a bit eye rolling that Moz, as time has gone on, seemingly sought to claim almost exclusive credit for the creative vision of the Smiths? Yes.

But all that confab is at least honest. Neither have expressed any desire to reunite - whereas Liam Gallagher has wanted an oasis reunion to happen since the break up- and vocally so.

Let them be petty and churlish to none another, I say. There's something to be said for integrity of well earned, and well-grounded mutual distaste.

The funniest thing would be to have them open, separately, on the same bill, for a Manchester show.

 

[eugenius]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Johnny finds you-know-who so abhorrent, why sing his lyrics? The Smiths' music is all Johnny's and he can perform those songs on tour as instrumentals or better yet, write new lyrics. Instead, he gladly accepts tidy sums of money every night he steps on a stage for what's essentially Smiths karaoke night.

If tender Johnny was as noble and sophisticated as he likes to think he is, he'd take the high road and say, "The Smiths were perfect, why tamper with history?" or better yet, DON'T FU*KING SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

 

[Ashley_TakeABow]

He shoulda threw up a picture of Andy.
Yeah they could do it without Andy but
it wouldn't really be right.

I completely agree...
Because that is the REAL (emotions aside) reason a reunion can never and will never happen.

 

[eugenius]

But all that confab is at least honest. Neither have expressed any desire to reunite

This is incorrect.

 

[Les Tameside]

I completely agree...
Because that is the REAL (emotions aside) reason a reunion can never and will never happen.

I’m going to see The Drifters in October, and they’re all dead. Every one of them.

 

[DaveJCarr]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Johnny finds you-know-who so abhorrent, why sing his lyrics

I've wondered the same thing. Best, most charitable reason that he treats his performance of Smiths songs as anthemic dedications to the fans of the Smiths, many of whom have also continued to buy his music and come to his shows. He regularly dedicates There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" to the assembled crowd at the shows- and something like "to no one else". etc. And of course Johnny or anyone else can think Morrissey a dolt in a lot of other aspects, not want to reunite but still afirm those particular lyrics etc.. Art from the atist.

Worst case scenario? It is a of arguably hypocritical contradiction you lay out here. Marr could tweak/alter. substitute lyrics too, but that's no guarantee of quality. Wouldn't be any more offensive, than say the Power Cord Versions of This Charming Man, the Years of Refusal band presented- to some listeners at least.

 

[DaveJCarr]

This is incorrect.

As close as they got as far as I know, was the 2008ish meeting recounted in the autibio, but that didn't seem to be to be as advanced, and pursued as something like the Oasis reunion

 

[Redacted]

No, the Smiths cannot do it too, one of them is not alive anymore.
What is the big deal about Johnny using a pic of someone Morrissey endorsed? Is this just another case of We shall not speak of the things Morrissey has done?

 

[SLS]

Everyone in this thread saying Johnny knows Morrissey… what a joke. They were distant in a band nearly 40 years ago. He knows nothing. And is too thick to understand where Morrissey’s views are coming from or when they have been taken out of context. Johnny is a text book narc - no one cares about his desperate attempts to be in the headlines. I hope Morrissey rises above and doesn’t give him the attention he wants. It’s a one sided war. Ps: you can see why his son has turned out into such an entitled brat!

 

[matt]

Those of you jumping in to call Johnny 'thick' - think of Morrissey, who hated education, never went to a college or university, read the same few books that he idolised, and now chooses to side with right-wing dolts, complaining about immigration while living in another country.

 

[Perthy-Syd]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Johnny finds you-know-who so abhorrent, why sing his lyrics? The Smiths' music is all Johnny's and he can perform those songs on tour as instrumentals or better yet, write new lyrics. Instead, he gladly accepts tidy sums of money every night he steps on a stage for what's essentially Smiths karaoke night.

If tender Johnny was as noble and sophisticated as he likes to think he is, he'd take the high road and say, "The Smiths were perfect, why tamper with history?" or better yet, DON'T FU*KING SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

I really like your comment and feel it is very insightful. In my humble opinion I think Johnny's repeated petty behavior towards Morrissey shows resentment that his career has now led him to a place where he has to attempt to cover and even try to sing Smiths songs. Most probably never part of his long range career plan. Also very weird that he plays this inverse game that he won't "allow" a reunion to happen, when it's Morrissey who has consistently stated that he has no interest in a reunion since at least 1992.

 

[Amy]

I suppose, but they both made abundantly clear of the years, they share little in common, and may not even like (or respect) each other now. Time can have a way of either allowing folks to see and cherish the good they time they had together or (with more info and time, throw things in retroactive clarity to recall the noxious, bothersome qualities that they may have ignored for the sake if the music/band erc.

Is the Farage thing a bi childish and outdated sure. But it does harken to a paint of significant disagreement between them, it is taking Morrissey's words seriously and sincerely- as he always seems to want people to do.

Are large tracks od Moz's autobiography, his recollections and score keeping about Golden lights and so much else also childish? Is it a bit eye rolling that Moz, as time has gone on, seemingly sought to claim almost exclusive credit for the creative vision of the Smiths? Yes.

But all that confab is at least honest. Neither have expressed any desire to reunite - whereas Liam Gallagher has wanted an oasis reunion to happen since the break up- and vocally so.

Let them be petty and churlish to none another, I say. There's something to be said for integrity of well earned, and well-grounded mutual distaste.

The funniest thing would be to have them open, separately, on the same bill, for a Manchester show.

I don't think the Farage thing is taking Morrissey seriously at all, I'm afraid. It's playing on Moz' bad public image for cheap laughs, like a schoolyard bully. And Moz expressed a desire to reunite for a long time after the Smiths.

There are ways to be estranged whilst showing some basic respect. I don't see much integrity on either side. It's not mutual distaste, it's two grown adults acting like little kids, and enablers stirring them up to continue. 'He's mean about me in magazines!', etc etc. I'm not applauding them for this crap or for any 'feud', it is awful and it needs to end.

 

[Anonymous]

So, this now gets it's own thread, but one of Moz's current flunkies posting a image that literally erases the rest of the Smiths from the picture doesn't? Disrespect goes two ways.

 

[Redacted]

I wonder if Johnny has any thoughts or feelings about Morrissey's recent claims that he is the essence of the Smiths, and that magazine cover that Camila posted with all the Smiths photoshopped out and the text altered.
I think Morrissey started this one.

 

[Mosserray]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Johnny finds you-know-who so abhorrent, why sing his lyrics? The Smiths' music is all Johnny's and he can perform those songs on tour as instrumentals or better yet, write new lyrics. Instead, he gladly accepts tidy sums of money every night he steps on a stage for what's essentially Smiths karaoke night.

If tender Johnny was as noble and sophisticated as he likes to think he is, he'd take the high road and say, "The Smiths were perfect, why tamper with history?" or better yet, DON'T FU*KING SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

But he didn't say anything at all did he? He just put up a picture. And it's not even on his own page, it was a response on a fan's account. I'm thinking he is a social media genius for all the click bait he has generated just posting a picture, with everyone projecting what they think it means. Very "clever boy" is Johnny - and those are Morrissey's words.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

So, this now gets it's own thread, but one of Moz's current flunkies posting a image that literally erases the rest of the Smiths from the picture doesn't? Disrespect goes two ways.

What a babe though!

 

[nicky wire's legs]

His babealiciousness somehow becomes more apparent when those other dopes aren't in the picture

 

[Mosserray]

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