The Times / Will Hodgkinson: "Morrissey says he is being censored. He isn’t" (September 10, 2024)

This story is now spinning up all kinds of press, like this piece in The Times by Will Hodgkinson. (Author of the AMAZING new book about Lawrence, from Felt.) As it's The Times, there's a paywall, but here the text of it all:

Morrissey says he is being censored. He isn’t

The former Smiths star has complained that his controversial album Bonfire of Teenagers has been unfairly suppressed. He should release it himself and stop playing the moaning martyr

Will Hodgkinson

Tuesday September 10 2024, 3.00pm BST, The Times


Every rock and pop critic in the country would like to persuade Morrissey to talk to them. Now that the most contrary star of them has talked (via email) to The Telegraph, I confess I’m a little jealous, but it’s a little rich to read that he thinks he is being gagged, bound and censored. Is that really the case when we’re all desperate to speak to him?

The interview focuses chiefly on Morrissey’s unreleased 2022 album Bonfire of Teenagers, which takes its name from the May 22, 2017, bombing by an Islamic fundamentalist at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, and the fact that it remains unreleased. The album is a victim, claims Morrissey, of “idiot culture” and the suppression of free speech.

Yet Morrissey does have free speech, which he uses regularly in messages sent out to the world via his website and picked up by the press everywhere. “There’s no arts media any more in England, therefore there’s no one to whom I can sit and talk about this,” he says in an interview in the arts pages of a newspaper. Morrissey’s dispute with Capitol Records blocked the release of the album, which featured a guest spot from Miley Cyrus until she backed off “for reasons unconnected to me”, he said. But as he stated earlier this year, he has bought back the rights to the album. He could release Bonfire of Teenagers himself today.

He says he won’t do that. Why not? Plenty of artists release their own albums in the streaming age and Morrissey is certainly a big enough name to garner big sales to his still loyal fanbase. I cannot help but suspect he likes to see himself as the outsider genius amid a confederacy of dunces, the lone voice of truth facing down the groupthink-infected hordes.

Besides, there is more than a bit of hypocrisy going on here. I remember asking Morrissey’s press officer (long gone; they change like the wind) for a ticket to review a concert, only to discover I was on some kind of naughty list for being less than effusive about a past performance. If you give it out, as every critic knows and as Morrissey does, you should be able to take it. And I would like, too, to ask him more about his support for the English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson (in 2018 he said his sentencing for contempt of court was “shocking treatment”) or for the far-right party For Britain, which he praised the same year.

Fair play to Morrissey for saying he won’t self-censor and remove the offending title song to his album. Artists have the right to express themselves and audiences have the right to agree or disagree with them. Yet all this protesting has the whiff of martyrdom and the former singer of the Smiths is no saint. In late August Morrissey whined that he and the guitarist Johnny Marr had been approached by a concert promoter with a very lucrative offer for a reunion tour but Marr wouldn’t play ball, so fans of the most revolutionary band of the 1980s were once more denied the chance to relive their youth. He went on to boast that he was selling out his US tour while Marr was reduced to playing special guest to New Order.

Yet I know which of the two men I have more sympathy for — Marr, who is one of the most liked and respected musicians out there, and who has shown integrity at refusing to reform the Smiths when to do so could afford him a handful of houses he doesn’t need. He responded to the reunion rumours by posting a photograph of Nigel Farage, seemingly a reference to the political beliefs of the singer he clearly has no desire to be in a room with ever again. Free speech does exist, and Marr has exercised his right to it by tacitly revealing why there will be no Smiths reunion.


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I actually think Joe C is the best producer he's had since Street. Joe gets such a rich, full sound from all his album's with Moz, every instrument sounds like it has room to breathe. Personally, I rate World Peace and Dog as 2 of his best albums, despite the drop in lyrical quality. So it's not a case of wanting him to repeat the past or that I hate anything he puts out, I just think the production on what we have heard of BOT and what we can infer the rest of BOT might sound like, is absolute ass.
Agree. The production on Rebels is terrible. His voice sounds fake. Way too much auto-tune. His vocals on Dog are much much better. If he does release BOT I hope they fix the vocals. The music sounds fine (nothing special though).
 
Compared to LIHS, Dog is Vauxhall.

Haaaa. I actually like Low In High School. First 3 tracks are strong, Spent the Day In Bed is fun, tracks 8, 9 and 10 are great. Then it falls off a massive cliff with Who Will Protect Us From the Police? (one of Morrissey's worst released tracks imo) and Israel. Two awful songs.
 
Haaaa. I actually like Low In High School. First 3 tracks are strong, Spent the Day In Bed is fun, tracks 8, 9 and 10 are great. Then it falls off a massive cliff with Who Will Protect Us From the Police? (one of Morrissey's worst released tracks imo) and Israel. Two awful songs.
I don’t think that album has one truly great song. Hand on heart. Some are kind of decent, but most are just really bad. It’s the only one of his albums that doesn’t have a song I really like. Even WPINOYB has a few.
 
I liked Rebels. I didn't like Dog. Horrible album, an absolute dirge throughout. Much of it sounds like a mix between early 2000s Killers songs with a hint of New Order thrown in, but done much, much worse than what either of those bands did.

I tried listening to it again earlier, to try and like it, but I had to turn it off after three tracks.
He has sucked for awhile now. 10 years at least. I still maintain that World Peace is as bad as it gets although LIHS is almost as bad. Dog is godawful too and I'm sorry, Rebels Without (but for some reason with) Applause is the worst production of any Morrissey song ever released. His career is in shambles. The music, the lyrics, the production, the look, the artwork, the lack of mobility in concert, it has gone all wrong.
 
You guys are tripping on Dog. It was a great album. Best Morrissey has done since Maladjusted.
However BOT is Awful. I can already tell from the Live shows. Music might be good. Lyrics will suck. Also anytime Morrissey says it’s his best work, I know it’s bad.
 
He has sucked for awhile now. 10 years at least. I still maintain that World Peace is as bad as it gets although LIHS is almost as bad. Dog is godawful too and I'm sorry, Rebels Without (but for some reason with) Applause is the worst production of any Morrissey song ever released. His career is in shambles. The music, the lyrics, the production, the look, the artwork, the lack of mobility in concert, it has gone all wrong.
Yet you’re here posting about him!
 
Will doesn’t need a plug for his book, which has been successful so far, but I read it in a couple of days and it is brilliant. Was transfixed. I can draw many parallels between Lawrence from Felt and Our Moz, in terms of attitude, influence and behaviours. I wonder whether they were ever friends? I bet they’d be suspicious of one another and frightfully shy!
...'apocryphal urban legend' suggests 'Steve' sojourned in Moseley, allegedly,...but...'for some reason' Pratrick erased this segment of his evolution from disco bunny rabbit 🐰 🐇 to 'doomed poet in a garrett'✍️...one *might* wonder why...who did he meet there? who or what caused his seeming amnesia?...was a Ouija Board, Ouija Board involved?...before Lawrence Of Belgravia, there was Lawrence: a wider, deeper oceanic talent than the charlatan fronting The Smiths Collective...and...there was a band called The Au Pairs...

...Morrissey claims he fcukd around with 'occult daemons'- well...now he gets to find out...

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...'apocryphal urban legend' suggests 'Steve' sojourned in Moseley, allegedly,...but...'for some reason' Pratrick erased this segment of his evolution from disco bunny rabbit 🐰 🐇 to 'doomed poet in a garrett'✍️...one *might* wonder why...who did he meet there? who or what caused his seeming amnesia?...was a Ouija Board, Ouija Board involved?...before Lawrence Of Belgravia, there was Lawrence: a wider, deeper oceanic talent than the charlatan fronting The Smiths Collective...and...there was a band called The Au Pairs...

...Morrissey claims he fcukd around with 'occult daemons'- well...now he gets to find out...

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And yet For Britain was neither explicitly or implicitly racist. They were just labelled that. A political party in the UK that is explicitly racist would be banned and wouldn't be able to stand for election. Morrissey supported them, no doubt, because of their stance on banning religious slaughter. Clearly he may have 'misread the room' on that one. But that's Morrissey. The real question is why anyone who doesn't want Europe to become Muslim is labelled 'racist'. Why is pointing out the mathematical inevitability of demographic change in Europe so 'dangerous'? No sane person would want to live in a Muslim country, no sane person would want their children to grow up in a Muslim country, and yet it is 'racist' for any politician to suggest policies to prevent the countries of Europe becoming majority Muslim over the next century. A very strange death indeed.
 
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...a completely transparent attempt to foist himself onto the gullible 'clueless consumers' as The Godfather Of Punk...totally ludicrous...where's the references to all those disco bands he used to bop to in the passport photo booth at Woolworths?

Such a clown 🤡car career crash ending ...but so very entertaining...

...this song ties in with his moronic attempts to appropriate every vaguely interesting cultural corpse to adorn his forlorn, smashed alabaster altar of influences.

Like that other fcukin ghoul, Madonna, it's just a dreary 'I'm Still Standing' sequence of manipulative, devious media tropes aimed at securing a legacy as 'the defining Voice Of A Generation', a synthetic selfie swarm, an attempt to influence the biographers who'll pounce when these clowns croak.

Like the factional 'Autobiography', this is just more tedious, failed DIY hagiography from 'St Etienne'.

It's a preposterous song and any vaguely conscious A&R professional would just yawn and bin this were it a demo from an obscure wannabe...which it is - given Morrissey's z-list status and cultural clout-caché.

Nil points.

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At this point, if not before, it's hard to decide whether Morrissey demands the acclaim and submission of the whole world along with that of his most devoted fans...or whether he needs the same. One of these possibilities merits our sympathy, and not in a patronising way.

It might be too glib and too harsh to just write him off as some manner of extreme narcissist, despite the many clues over the decades; instead, it might be the case that these clues only reveal an intense desperation, and not an apparently unbounded arrogance or conceitedness or envy.

I'm not in any way qualified to discuss what may (or not) be 'clinical' matters; but, even as a layperson, it's difficult not to wonder if all of ^this^ relates to depression. That might even be central to it, for all I know.
Narcissism is all about desperation though, isn't it. It's a veneer. The only way I can make sense of the way that he continually damages his own life, hurts his professional interests, alienates friends and makes himself suffer.. is to think there is some aspect of it he can't control. Maybe depression, grief, medication, God knows. Maybe personality disorder. I don't think anybody who was truly well would set out to sabotage themselves in this way.
 
And yet For Britain was neither explicitly or implicitly racist. They were just labelled that. A political party in the UK that is explicitly racist would be banned and wouldn't be able to stand for election. Morrissey supported them, no doubt, because of their stance on banning religious slaughter. Clearly he may have 'misread the room' on that one. But that's Morrissey. The real question is why anyone who doesn't want Europe to become Muslim is labelled 'racist'. Why is pointing out the mathematical inevitability of demographic change in Europe so 'dangerous'? No sane person would want to live in a Muslim country, no sane person would want their children to grow up in a Muslim country, and yet it is 'racist' for any politician to suggest policies to prevent the countries of Europe becoming majority Muslim over the next century. A very strange death indeed.
You're not Douglas Murray. Neither is Morrissey.

Complicated political issues require the cognitive ability to cope with complexities.

Morrissey is only interested in febrile topics if they gain him publicity. He is ill-read, uneducated, arrogant and dim yet imagines himself as intelligent. He's thick as pigshit.

He had a free public education and has had decades to remedy any failures attributable to that education. But he hasn't...because he's intellectually lazy, incurious, thinks in banal soundbites, cannot take part in a live debate as it would expose him as profoundly stupid.

Your knowledge of Islam has been gained from where, exactly?

I grew up in Small Heath in Birmingham in the 1960s-70s when it became one of the first neighbourhoods where Muslim ☪️ migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh settled.

So you speak and read Arabic? Urdu? Have you been to a Muslim country? Do you understand that there are many branches and sects within Islam?

The notion that Europe or the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 is going to become majority Muslim is both unlikely and irrelevant. There's nothing within numerous branches of Islam that's incompatible with living in 'the West'...oh, wait!...aha! I get it! Your understanding of Islam and Muslims ☪️ is focused on minority Islamofascist groups such as ISIS-Boko Haram-Taleban-Hamas-Hezzbolah? Is that correct?

Most victims of Islamist terrorism are other Muslims.

I recently saw three shows by Pakistani diva Naseebo Lal in Middlesbrough, Birmingham and Glasgow. As an independent, unveiled woman she is anathema to those terror groups who would have gleefully slaughtered every single one of us in the audience. So is Abida Parveen...

I very much doubt Morrissey has even heard of either of these singers, which is very odd as he claims to be obsessed with The Voice. As a singer myself, in contact with several great singers, I find it baffling that Morrissey is clueless about the two greatest vocalists on Planet Earth today. I will be flying to Pakistan and the UAE to see these artists because, unlike the pseud Morrissey, I actually am 'lost in music'- especially The Voice...

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Narcissism is all about desperation though, isn't it. It's a veneer. The only way I can make sense of the way that he continually damages his own life, hurts his professional interests, alienates friends and makes himself suffer.. is to think there is some aspect of it he can't control. Maybe depression, grief, medication, God knows. Maybe personality disorder. I don't think anybody who was truly well would set out to sabotage themselves in this way.
Narcissism is about deep self hatred and the things you do to avoid feeling it or taking responsibility for yourself or feeling even normal feelings of shame - they blame, avoid, lie, gaslight, argue, make everything about themselves, shed anyone who used to be a narcissistic supply but isn't anymore, look for new narcissistic supply, and maybe one of the worst things of all is narcissistic injury, a rejection you never get over and then maybe try to lure them back in so you can strike back also trying to ruin the reputations of people you feel have wronged you - there's more, that's just a brief overview. I do think he has the full blown disorder because he seems incapable of change. He is fully aware of what he is doing and won't stop.
 
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You're not Douglas Murray. Neither is Morrissey.

Complicated political issues require the cognitive ability to cope with complexities.

Morrissey is only interested in febrile topics if they gain him publicity. He is ill-read, uneducated, arrogant and dim yet imagines himself as intelligent. He's thick as pigshit.

He had a free public education and has had decades to remedy any failures attributable to that education. But he hasn't...because he's intellectually lazy, incurious, thinks in banal soundbites, cannot take part in a live debate as it would expose him as profoundly stupid.

Your knowledge of Islam has been gained from where, exactly?

I grew up in Small Heath in Birmingham in the 1960s-70s when it became one of the first neighbourhoods where Muslim ☪️ migrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh settled.

So you speak and read Arabic? Urdu? Have you been to a Muslim country? Do you understand that there are many branches and sects within Islam?

The notion that Europe or the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 is going to become majority Muslim is both unlikely and irrelevant. There's nothing within numerous branches of Islam that's incompatible with living in 'the West'...oh, wait!...aha! I get it! Your understanding of Islam and Muslims ☪️ is focused on minority Islamofascist groups such as ISIS-Boko Haram-Taleban-Hamas-Hezzbolah? Is that correct?

Most victims of Islamist terrorism are other Muslims.

I recently saw three shows by Pakistani diva Naseebo Lal in Middlesbrough, Birmingham and Glasgow. As an independent, unveiled woman she is anathema to those terror groups who would have gleefully slaughtered every single one of us in the audience. So is Abeeda Parveen...

I very much doubt Morrissey has even heard of either of these singers, which is very odd as he claims to be obsessed with The Voice. As a singer myself, in contact with several great singers, I find it baffling that Morrissey is clueless about the two greatest vocalists on Planet Earth today. I will be flying to Pakistan and the UAE to see these artists because, unlike the pseud Morrissey, I actually am 'lost in music'- especially The Voice...

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It's not complicated. It's simple mathematics.
I live in East London. It has the largest Bangladeshi population outside Bangladesh. I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim. I also have friends and colleagues who are Hindu, Jewish, Christian, and no religion. They too are worried about the growing threat of radical Islam in Europe.

 
Narcissism is about deep self hatred and the things you do to avoid feeling it or taking responsibility for yourself or feeling even normal feelings of shame - they blame, avoid, lie, gaslight, argue, make everything about themselves, shed anyone who used to be a narcissistic supply but isn't anymore, look for new narcissistic supply, and maybe one of the worst things of all is narcissistic injury, a rejection you never get over and then maybe try to lure them back in so you can strike back also trying to ruin the reputations of people you feel have wronged you - there's more, that's just a brief overview. I do think he has the full blown disorder because he seems incapable of change. He is fully aware of what he is doing and won't stop.
There is a real duality about you. This is a sport on assessment. I agree with a lot of your other observations and then you wade into conspiracy theories and far right talking points and disappoint me.
 
It's not complicated. It's simple mathematics.
I live in East London. It has the largest Bangladeshi population outside Bangladesh. I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim. I also have friends and colleagues who are Hindu, Jewish, Christian, and no religion. They too are worried about the growing threat of radical Islam in Europe.


So...your concern is with Islamofascist terrorists , not with Islam and not with thr majority of Muslims?

Why didn't you state that at the outset?

Many of the Muslim population living in Birmingham are refugees fleeing Islamofascist terrorists and regimes. They don't want their teenage daughters to be shot in the head for reading books. 'Boko Haram' means 'books other than the Koran forbidden'.

Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet and also revere his mother, Mary (Mariam). I was in Ephesus, Turkiye recently visiting the house she ended her days in. It's guarded 24/7/365 by Muslim cops to stop ISIS nutjobs blowing it up...

The Catholic Primary school I attended, Holy Family, is inundated with Muslims seeking a 'Catholic' education for their children.

They have no truck with the madrassa madnesses of Small Heath Mosque.

When I attend Eid with 40,000 Muslims in Small Heath Park I do not see any plot to replace the native, indigenous population.

What my Muslim brothers and sisters tell me is that they are angry at the complacent failures of the UK Government and security services, who underestimate the grave threat posed by Islamofascist terrorists.

They fled Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia and Afghanistan to escape that ideological straight jacket. They don't want to live in that chaos here, thanks very much!

There are too many clowns in the circuses of the British Establishment and the 'Progressivist Fanatics' who infest the BBC-RTE Guardian nexus of nonsense idiocies.

The repellent 'Tommy Robinson' is a completely discredited figure. He, and others of his ilk, suddenly became exercised about child sexual abuse when it involved a feral minority subset of Pakistani-Kashmiri taxi drivers and fast food merchants...but...when I asked him, in Birmingham, why he hadn't raised his voice in support of me and my friends as we sought to eradicate paedophile priests in the Catholic church he was dumbstruck: because he is a dumb fcuk...

I think you are trying to say that 'demography is destiny', albeit in a clumsy, inelegant way. It isn't, because it is a chimera.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 isn't a silly joke to be handed over to a slob mob of drunken hooligans.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 is a cultural algorithm which is in constant evolution- and always has been.

Within a couple of generations nobody will bat an eyelid at the notion of patriotic English Muslims ☪️...but...they'll never be #BCFC-z because. .🏏 cricket...

Douglas Murray is another fcukin chump. So is Jordan Peterson. Andrew Tate is a walking warning ⚠️ to young men not to take anabolic steroids to beef up their feeble faux-Mad Men Masculinities...

I'm fcukin tired of these morons - especially The Morrissey Troll. None of them would last a round in the ring with BrummieBoy which is why, regretfully, I've decided to enter public life as a 'politician'.

In the 1980s a priest mt8 of mine was wittering on like a silly bitch about how wonderful The Smiths were. I dismissed his ridiculous twit nonsense 🙄 ...so he challenged me to write a banger hit that eclipsed anything by the aforementioned band.

So I did.

In fact, as I've previously stated here, I wrote 6 albums worth of Smiths pastiches but...they're better songs than anything that Marr-Morrissey-Rourke-Joyce ever did...far better.

Sadly, I must now plan to release these albums...to prove a point to this ridiculous Morrissey eejit...you are nothing special and you never were, you just fooled a lot of people for a long time.

It's a side project, alongside the karaoke 🎤 stufff I originally proposed, that baton picked up by Blossoms and Rick Astley.

I'm also going to eviscerate those fcukwit Greedy Gallagher brothers, put them to the sword...none of this will take long...

Then I'm going to retire to a monastery on Patmos again when it all kicks off.

Morrissey is fcukin fiction. Quite an amusing one at first but now he's just an annoying hemorrhoid on the anus of the annals of music.

He can sing.. but... then so can loads of wannabes on programmes like The Voice.

He is 'The Troll Who Got Lucky': nothing more or less.

Enjoy his clownery but, please, don't take That Bitch seriously 😒...

Do Not Feed The Troll Morrissey...just gently mock and throw popcorn at his histrionic absurdities posing as Radical Art.

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