The Times / Will Hodgkinson: "Morrissey says he is being censored. He isn’t" (September 10, 2024)

This story is now spinning up all kinds of press, like this piece in The Times by Will Hodgkinson. (Author of the AMAZING new book about Lawrence, from Felt.) As it's The Times, there's a paywall, but here the text of it all:

Morrissey says he is being censored. He isn’t

The former Smiths star has complained that his controversial album Bonfire of Teenagers has been unfairly suppressed. He should release it himself and stop playing the moaning martyr

Will Hodgkinson

Tuesday September 10 2024, 3.00pm BST, The Times


Every rock and pop critic in the country would like to persuade Morrissey to talk to them. Now that the most contrary star of them has talked (via email) to The Telegraph, I confess I’m a little jealous, but it’s a little rich to read that he thinks he is being gagged, bound and censored. Is that really the case when we’re all desperate to speak to him?

The interview focuses chiefly on Morrissey’s unreleased 2022 album Bonfire of Teenagers, which takes its name from the May 22, 2017, bombing by an Islamic fundamentalist at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, and the fact that it remains unreleased. The album is a victim, claims Morrissey, of “idiot culture” and the suppression of free speech.

Yet Morrissey does have free speech, which he uses regularly in messages sent out to the world via his website and picked up by the press everywhere. “There’s no arts media any more in England, therefore there’s no one to whom I can sit and talk about this,” he says in an interview in the arts pages of a newspaper. Morrissey’s dispute with Capitol Records blocked the release of the album, which featured a guest spot from Miley Cyrus until she backed off “for reasons unconnected to me”, he said. But as he stated earlier this year, he has bought back the rights to the album. He could release Bonfire of Teenagers himself today.

He says he won’t do that. Why not? Plenty of artists release their own albums in the streaming age and Morrissey is certainly a big enough name to garner big sales to his still loyal fanbase. I cannot help but suspect he likes to see himself as the outsider genius amid a confederacy of dunces, the lone voice of truth facing down the groupthink-infected hordes.

Besides, there is more than a bit of hypocrisy going on here. I remember asking Morrissey’s press officer (long gone; they change like the wind) for a ticket to review a concert, only to discover I was on some kind of naughty list for being less than effusive about a past performance. If you give it out, as every critic knows and as Morrissey does, you should be able to take it. And I would like, too, to ask him more about his support for the English Defence League founder Tommy Robinson (in 2018 he said his sentencing for contempt of court was “shocking treatment”) or for the far-right party For Britain, which he praised the same year.

Fair play to Morrissey for saying he won’t self-censor and remove the offending title song to his album. Artists have the right to express themselves and audiences have the right to agree or disagree with them. Yet all this protesting has the whiff of martyrdom and the former singer of the Smiths is no saint. In late August Morrissey whined that he and the guitarist Johnny Marr had been approached by a concert promoter with a very lucrative offer for a reunion tour but Marr wouldn’t play ball, so fans of the most revolutionary band of the 1980s were once more denied the chance to relive their youth. He went on to boast that he was selling out his US tour while Marr was reduced to playing special guest to New Order.

Yet I know which of the two men I have more sympathy for — Marr, who is one of the most liked and respected musicians out there, and who has shown integrity at refusing to reform the Smiths when to do so could afford him a handful of houses he doesn’t need. He responded to the reunion rumours by posting a photograph of Nigel Farage, seemingly a reference to the political beliefs of the singer he clearly has no desire to be in a room with ever again. Free speech does exist, and Marr has exercised his right to it by tacitly revealing why there will be no Smiths reunion.


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So...your concern is with Islamofascist terrorists , not with Islam and not with thr majority of Muslims?

Why didn't you state that at the outset?

Many of the Muslim population living in Birmingham are refugees fleeing Islamofascist terrorists and regimes. They don't want their teenage daughters to be shot in the head for reading books. 'Boko Haram' means 'books other than the Koran forbidden'.

Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet and also revere his mother, Mary (Mariam). I was in Ephesus, Turkiye recently visiting the house she ended her days in. It's guarded 24/7/365 by Muslim cops to stop ISIS nutjobs blowing it up...

The Catholic Primary school I attended, Holy Family, is inundated with Muslims seeking a 'Catholic' education for their children.

They have no truck with the madrassa madnesses of Small Heath Mosque.

When I attend Eid with 40,000 Muslims in Small Heath Park I do not see any plot to replace the native, indigenous population.

What my Muslim brothers and sisters tell me is that they are angry at the complacent failures of the UK Government and security services, who underestimate the grave threat posed by Islamofascist terrorists.

They fled Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia and Afghanistan to escape that ideological straight jacket. They don't want to live in that chaos here, thanks very much!

There are too many clowns in the circuses of the British Establishment and the 'Progressivist Fanatics' who infest the BBC-RTE Guardian nexus of nonsense idiocies.

The repellent 'Tommy Robinson' is a completely discredited figure. He, and others of his ilk, suddenly became exercised about child sexual abuse when it involved a feral minority subset of Pakistani-Kashmiri taxi drivers and fast food merchants...but...when I asked him, in Birmingham, why he hadn't raised his voice in support of me and my friends as we sought to eradicate paedophile priests in the Catholic church he was dumbstruck: because he is a dumb fcuk...

I think you are trying to say that 'demography is destiny', albeit in a clumsy, inelegant way. It isn't, because it is a chimera.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 isn't a silly joke to be handed over to a slob mob of drunken hooligans.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 is a cultural algorithm which is in constant evolution- and always has been.

Within a couple of generations nobody will bat an eyelid at the notion of patriotic English Muslims ☪️...but...they'll never be #BCFC-z because. .🏏 cricket...

Douglas Murray is another fcukin chump. So is Jordan Peterson. Andrew Tate is a walking warning ⚠️ to young men not to take anabolic steroids to beef up their feeble faux-Mad Men Masculinities...

I'm fcukin tired of these morons - especially The Morrissey Troll. None of them would last a round in the ring with BrummieBoy which is why, regretfully, I've decided to enter public life as a 'politician'.

In the 1980s a priest mt8 of mine was wittering on like a silly bitch about how wonderful The Smiths were. I dismissed his ridiculous twit nonsense 🙄 ...so he challenged me to write a banger hit that eclipsed anything by the aforementioned band.

So I did.

In fact, as I've previously stated here, I wrote 6 albums worth of Smiths pastiches but...they're better songs than anything that Marr-Morrissey-Rourke-Joyce ever did...far better.

Sadly, I must now plan to release these albums...to prove a point to this ridiculous Morrissey eejit...you are nothing special and you never were, you just fooled a lot of people for a long time.

It's a side project, alongside the karaoke 🎤 stufff I originally proposed, that baton picked up by Blossoms and Rick Astley.

I'm also going to eviscerate those fcukwit Greedy Gallagher brothers, put them to the sword...none of this will take long...

Then I'm going to retire to a monastery on Patmos again when it all kicks off.

Morrissey is fcukin fiction. Quite an amusing one at first but now he's just an annoying hemorrhoid on the anus of the annals of music.

He can sing.. but... then so can loads of wannabes on programmes like The Voice.

He is 'The Troll Who Got Lucky': nothing more or less.

Enjoy his clownery but, please, don't take That Bitch seriously 😒...

Do Not Feed The Troll Morrissey...just gently mock and throw popcorn at his histrionic absurdities posing as Radical Art.

BrummieBoy

'The Sir Henry Segrave' Wetherspoons public house...

Southport
Merseyside
England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧
You should have ended with the bit on Tate and Robinson. Everything up until and including that was excellent. The rest…was different.
 
So...your concern is with Islamofascist terrorists , not with Islam and not with thr majority of Muslims?

Why didn't you state that at the outset?

Many of the Muslim population living in Birmingham are refugees fleeing Islamofascist terrorists and regimes. They don't want their teenage daughters to be shot in the head for reading books. 'Boko Haram' means 'books other than the Koran forbidden'.

Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet and also revere his mother, Mary (Mariam). I was in Ephesus, Turkiye recently visiting the house she ended her days in. It's guarded 24/7/365 by Muslim cops to stop ISIS nutjobs blowing it up...

The Catholic Primary school I attended, Holy Family, is inundated with Muslims seeking a 'Catholic' education for their children.

They have no truck with the madrassa madnesses of Small Heath Mosque.

When I attend Eid with 40,000 Muslims in Small Heath Park I do not see any plot to replace the native, indigenous population.

What my Muslim brothers and sisters tell me is that they are angry at the complacent failures of the UK Government and security services, who underestimate the grave threat posed by Islamofascist terrorists.

They fled Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia and Afghanistan to escape that ideological straight jacket. They don't want to live in that chaos here, thanks very much!

There are too many clowns in the circuses of the British Establishment and the 'Progressivist Fanatics' who infest the BBC-RTE Guardian nexus of nonsense idiocies.

The repellent 'Tommy Robinson' is a completely discredited figure. He, and others of his ilk, suddenly became exercised about child sexual abuse when it involved a feral minority subset of Pakistani-Kashmiri taxi drivers and fast food merchants...but...when I asked him, in Birmingham, why he hadn't raised his voice in support of me and my friends as we sought to eradicate paedophile priests in the Catholic church he was dumbstruck: because he is a dumb fcuk...

I think you are trying to say that 'demography is destiny', albeit in a clumsy, inelegant way. It isn't, because it is a chimera.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 isn't a silly joke to be handed over to a slob mob of drunken hooligans.

England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 is a cultural algorithm which is in constant evolution- and always has been.

Within a couple of generations nobody will bat an eyelid at the notion of patriotic English Muslims ☪️...but...they'll never be #BCFC-z because. .🏏 cricket...

Douglas Murray is another fcukin chump. So is Jordan Peterson. Andrew Tate is a walking warning ⚠️ to young men not to take anabolic steroids to beef up their feeble faux-Mad Men Masculinities...

I'm fcukin tired of these morons - especially The Morrissey Troll. None of them would last a round in the ring with BrummieBoy which is why, regretfully, I've decided to enter public life as a 'politician'.

In the 1980s a priest mt8 of mine was wittering on like a silly bitch about how wonderful The Smiths were. I dismissed his ridiculous twit nonsense 🙄 ...so he challenged me to write a banger hit that eclipsed anything by the aforementioned band.

So I did.

In fact, as I've previously stated here, I wrote 6 albums worth of Smiths pastiches but...they're better songs than anything that Marr-Morrissey-Rourke-Joyce ever did...far better.

Sadly, I must now plan to release these albums...to prove a point to this ridiculous Morrissey eejit...you are nothing special and you never were, you just fooled a lot of people for a long time.

It's a side project, alongside the karaoke 🎤 stufff I originally proposed, that baton picked up by Blossoms and Rick Astley.

I'm also going to eviscerate those fcukwit Greedy Gallagher brothers, put them to the sword...none of this will take long...

Then I'm going to retire to a monastery on Patmos again when it all kicks off.

Morrissey is fcukin fiction. Quite an amusing one at first but now he's just an annoying hemorrhoid on the anus of the annals of music.

He can sing.. but... then so can loads of wannabes on programmes like The Voice.

He is 'The Troll Who Got Lucky': nothing more or less.

Enjoy his clownery but, please, don't take That Bitch seriously 😒...

Do Not Feed The Troll Morrissey...just gently mock and throw popcorn at his histrionic absurdities posing as Radical Art.

BrummieBoy

'The Sir Henry Segrave' Wetherspoons public house...

Southport
Merseyside
England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧
Entertaining!
But not related to whether it is wise for any European country to allow its population to change so rapidly and so markedly. About 40 - 50 thousand Huguenots came to England, for example, in previous centuries. Whereas, about 10 million people have arrived in the UK in the past 15 years. That's a social experiment the effects of which are yet to be fully played out. But there are certainly signs of negative consequences. Studies of 'trust' in society suggest that people feel less safe. London has noticeably become more violent and unpleasant to live in in the past 10 years. Public services are collapsing due to the increased demand on them. Any sense of a shared 'popular culture' is over. The Oasis reunion is perhaps the last gasp of a dying patient. The indigenous population has become a minority in London, Manchester, and Birmingham. One response to that, of course, is to ask - so what? If that is your response, fine. But the vast majority of people in the UK clearly think it does matter. But to say so is labelled 'far right'.
 
One response to that, of course, is to ask - so what? If that is your response, fine. But the vast majority of people in the UK clearly think it does matter. But to say so is labelled 'far right'.
What are you basing this on? I agree that a lot of people think immigration into the UK matters, but some more evidence for the "vast majority" would be useful here. One of the most recent, sensible, surveys I can find is from last year, carried out on behalf of The Migration Observatory - which I believe is neutral on this. I'll post a graphic of theirs below...

migration.jpg
 
I think the live versions on YouTube are so much better, they shouldn't mess with his voice like this.

Yeah, we know. But I’m pretty sure that was the point.
 
What are you basing this on? I agree that a lot of people think immigration into the UK matters, but some more evidence for the "vast majority" would be useful here. One of the most recent, sensible, surveys I can find is from last year, carried out on behalf of The Migration Observatory - which I believe is neutral on this. I'll post a graphic of theirs below...

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I find this very typical. The alt-right are obsessed with the narrative that their country is under siege by those nasty immigrants and that the scary Muslims are taking over, and that everyone except the ruling elite/the establishment feels this way and wants to lock the borders and throw away the key. And they spread this all the time and everywhere, goading each other on, until they’re blue in the face. But more often than not it’s based on nothing substantial.
 
I think the live versions on YouTube are so much better, they shouldn't mess with his voice like this.
Can't mess with perfection! Luckily, I think live singing is his specialty, anyway.

The auto tune is a bit strange to me for Morrissey, especially since I've not delved far into his newer albums yet. He's just keeping with the times, I guess! Auto tune is hip!(?) 🤣 Im glad it's subtle at least, because he could have gone lot more dramatic with it, like a lot of pop stars do now-a-days. It has its time and place, and luckily Morrissey doesn't "need" it to be good. It seems he's more using it as a "creative touch" I suppose. I'm all for the explore! Go for it, Mozzer. 💞
 
I find this very typical. The alt-right are obsessed with the narrative that their country is under siege by those nasty immigrants and that the scary Muslims are taking over, and that everyone except the ruling elite/the establishment feels this way and wants to lock the borders and throw away the key. And they spread this all the time and everywhere, goading each other on, until they’re blue in the face. But more often than not it’s based on nothing substantial.
I know what you mean, I think the fear / anger is exaggerated very often, but it is also based on a reality.

If you look at the first question in the graphic I shared, for example - and you take out those who either "don't know" or who think immigration levels should "remain the same" - then you have a clear majority which is more towards cutting immigration instead of increasing it. (52% saying it should be reduced, versus 14% who say it should be increased.) On the second question in that graphic, it's much more even. Again, removing the neutral/don't know respondents, you end up with 33% saying immigration is bad for Britain while 31% think it's good for the country.

These numbers certainly show that there are enough people in the UK who think immigration is bad, or should be reduced, for there to be a serious debate needed about the subject. Unfortunately, on both sides, there are people who simply don't want to have that debate. The story is old, and it goes on...
 
At a time when it is estimated the population of England was ~1 million.
Not correct. Check your facts. Population of England in 1700 was about 6 million. Population of England in 1800 was about 8 million. The 40 - 50 thousands Hugenots came over about 100 years, from mid-1600s to mid-1700s, so that's a few thousand a year. They were also Christian, and Protestant, as was England.
 
What are you basing this on? I agree that a lot of people think immigration into the UK matters, but some more evidence for the "vast majority" would be useful here. One of the most recent, sensible, surveys I can find is from last year, carried out on behalf of The Migration Observatory - which I believe is neutral on this. I'll post a graphic of theirs below...
Results from surveys are notoriously open to getting differing results, especially according to how the question is worded. But surveys across Europe have found that people are worried about the rate and size of immigration, and also worried in particularly by Muslim immigration. For obvious reasons. The bollards on every bridge in London tell you why.

 
Results from surveys are notoriously open to getting differing results, especially according to how the question is worded. But surveys across Europe have found that people are worried about the rate and size of immigration, and also worried in particularly by Muslim immigration. For obvious reasons. The bollards on every bridge in London tell you why.

Yes, that's a very interesting report, the Chatham House one from 2017. Especially this part:

"Our findings also reveal how, across Europe, opposition to Muslim immigration is especially intense among retired, older age cohorts while those aged below 30 are notably less opposed. There is also a clear education divide. Of those with secondary level qualifications, 59% opposed further Muslim immigration. By contrast, less than half of all degree holders supported further migration curbs."

(I'm not really making an argument here, I'm just always interested by findings like that!)
 
Yes, that's a very interesting report, the Chatham House one from 2017. Especially this part:

"Our findings also reveal how, across Europe, opposition to Muslim immigration is especially intense among retired, older age cohorts while those aged below 30 are notably less opposed. There is also a clear education divide. Of those with secondary level qualifications, 59% opposed further Muslim immigration. By contrast, less than half of all degree holders supported further migration curbs."

(I'm not really making an argument here, I'm just always interested by findings like that!)
Obvious explanation for the university degree factor - universities are basically Marxist indoctrination factories! :ROFLMAO:
 
I know what you mean, I think the fear / anger is exaggerated very often, but it is also based on a reality.

If you look at the first question in the graphic I shared, for example - and you take out those who either "don't know" or who think immigration levels should "remain the same" - then you have a clear majority which is more towards cutting immigration instead of increasing it. (52% saying it should be reduced, versus 14% who say it should be increased.) On the second question in that graphic, it's much more even. Again, removing the neutral/don't know respondents, you end up with 33% saying immigration is bad for Britain while 31% think it's good for the country.

These numbers certainly show that there are enough people in the UK who think immigration is bad, or should be reduced, for there to be a serious debate needed about the subject. Unfortunately, on both sides, there are people who simply don't want to have that debate. The story is old, and it goes on...
Yes, of course. But the way that it’s presented by the alt-right makes it sound like the whole western world is being held hostage by immigrant loving Marxists. It’s fear-mongering, irresponsible and downright stupid. I don’t want wide open borders either, but come on. The Muslims aren’t taking over.

Oh, and long live higher education.
 
Yes, of course. But the way that it’s presented by the alt-right makes it sound like the whole western world is being held hostage by immigrant loving Marxists. It’s fear-mongering, irresponsible and downright stupid. I don’t want wide open borders either, but come on. The Muslims aren’t taking over.

Oh, and long live higher education.
Do the math. You can't really argue with the numbers.
I'm all for education. Just so little of what's important in life gets taught at school. And even less at university.

 
Entertaining!
But not related to whether it is wise for any European country to allow its population to change so rapidly and so markedly. About 40 - 50 thousand Huguenots came to England, for example, in previous centuries. Whereas, about 10 million people have arrived in the UK in the past 15 years. That's a social experiment the effects of which are yet to be fully played out. But there are certainly signs of negative consequences. Studies of 'trust' in society suggest that people feel less safe. London has noticeably become more violent and unpleasant to live in in the past 10 years. Public services are collapsing due to the increased demand on them. Any sense of a shared 'popular culture' is over. The Oasis reunion is perhaps the last gasp of a dying patient. The indigenous population has become a minority in London, Manchester, and Birmingham. One response to that, of course, is to ask - so what? If that is your response, fine. But the vast majority of people in the UK clearly think it does matter. But to say so is labelled 'far right'.
...trust has collapsed & violence increased because of corrupt and ineffectual policing and the brazen collusion of the political uniparty of Labour and Conservatives.

You provide no rational explanation for your paranoia about Muslims.

Define 'indigenous'.

My parents came from the Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪 as did Morrissey's parents.

Am I 'indigenous'?
Is Morrissey?

What's the test? John Major's cricket 🏏 test?

One can have a passionate regard for a foreign heritage without it undermining your patriotism.

Why is a shared popular culture of importance?

Do you mean being forced to fund the fcukin BBC?

It is perfectly legitimate to query the current chaos of unvetted immigration but that's on 'us' not the new arrivals.

I support a referendum on immigration that forces the uniparty to show their hand and explain the failures to date.

I believe we need to build out infrastructure capacity in housing, health and education to provide the 'indigenous' and recent influxes of immigrants with decent public services.
What I will not tolerate is scapegoating Muslims totalising them all as part of a homogeneous blob of Islamist extremists. They're really not.

Enoch was right only in the very specific matter of highlighting the arrogant the elites in imposing their Globalist agendas without consultation. However, that's irrelevant to the issue of whether or not it's fair to frame these discussions on immigration around Muslims.

I also think the vast majority of the UK public see benefits in having fresh cultural inputs and wouldn't want a return to the homogenous Britain of the 1950s: although it sometimes as if Morrissey would like to live in a time capsule free of the complexities of this emerging global civilisation.

BrummieBoy
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