Morrissey Central "THE PLOT THICKENS" (September 15, 2024)

J Marr has successfully applied for 100% trademark rights / Intellectual Property ownership of The Smiths name. His application has been accepted on whatever oaths or proclamations he has put forward. This action was done without any consultation to Morrissey, and without allowing Morrissey the standard opportunity of 'objection'. Amongst many other things, this means that Marr can now tour as The Smiths using the vocalist of his choice, and it also prohibits Morrissey from using the name whilst also denying Morrissey considerable financial livelihood.

Morrissey alone created the musical unit name 'The Smiths' in May 1982.

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Media items:

• AV Club: "Morrissey claims that Johnny Marr owns name "The Smiths" now" - September 16, 2024
• NME: "Morrissey claims Johnny Marr now owns “100 per cent trademark rights and Intellectual Property” of The Smiths name" - September 16, 2024
• Stereogum: "Morrissey Says Johnny Marr Has Acquired The Smiths Trademark, Can Replace Him As Band’s Vocalist" - September 16, 2024

 

[JerryCan]

Trademark stock photo. Image of label, piracy, license - 52234844

Photo about Rubber stamp printed with trademark. Image of label, piracy, license - 52234844

www.dreamstime.com

He must have paid for it's use. There are many more images there I expect we'll soon be seeing.

 

[Suedeheid]

Johnny Marr has just responded on x

 

[Morrissey_Sucks]

Marr just responded. Morrissey lying as usual.

 

[karenina]

Paranoia more than anything else - I wouldn't like to live in his head.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Marr just responded. Morrissey lying as usual.

could be partly paranoia, or an issue of trust.
The ball is now in Morrissey’s court, and I’m sure many of us would like him to address his inaccuracies, or even his fears of Johnny misusing The Smiths name.

 

[Surface]

could be partly paranoia, or an issue of trust.
The ball is now in Morrissey’s court, and I’m sure many of us would like him to address his inaccuracies.

Has he ever addressed his inaccuracies before?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Has he ever addressed his inaccuracies before?

don’t you believe in miracles?

 

[Surface]

don’t you believe in miracles?

Of course but I've been a fan of Smiths/Morrissey since I was 20 and I've to this day never seen him explain his bending of the truth.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Of course but I've been a fan of Smiths/Morrissey since I was 20 and I've to this day never seen him explain his bending of the truth.

Some artists are problematic. I’m sorry if you have no empathy for these types. Morrissey has always been a bit nutty, it is one of the reasons why Morrissey & Marr worked so well together to create those songs.

 

[dallow_bg]

In all probability, J Marr filed the trademark to stop the Classically Smiths shows proceeding.

The Smiths partially reunite for classical concerts

Andy Rourke, Mike Joyce and Craig Gannon have reworked the band’s back catalogue for performances this summer

www.theguardian.com

It was exactly this.
And Marr has confirmed.

View attachment 111523
Johnny Marr has just responded on x

Problem is no one owns a fax machine anymore so how could Morrissey possibly sign the doc?

 

[Benny-the-British-Butcher]

NEWSFLASH !
Marr has released a statement

Morrissey is exposed as a complete WANKER

Benny

 

[Benny-the-British-Butcher]

LYING WANKER

Benny

 

[goinghome]

In the media:

Morrissey claims Marr 'blocked' Smiths album, reunion

Morrissey says Johnny Marr "ignored" a "lucrative" offer for The Smiths to reform in 2025.

www.northweststar.com.au

Morrissey says Johnny Marr acquired The Smiths trademark, can hire "vocalist of his choice"

Morrissey has claimed his former bandmate Johnny Marr has acquired The Smiths trademark and implied the move could lead to a replacement vocalist.

consequence.net

Morrissey claims Johnny Marr 'blocked' Smiths reunion, album

The Smiths split in 1987 after five years together and have refused efforts to reunite.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Morrissey Says Johnny Marr Has Acquired The Smiths Trademark, Can Replace Him As Band’s Vocalist

In retrospect, it’s amazing that Morrissey and Johnny Marr were ever able to be in a band together. These days, those guys simply do not like one another. They haven’t liked each other for a long time, but lately Morrissey has gone public with some of his gripes about Marr. Last month, Morrissey...

www.stereogum.com

Morrissey claims Johnny Marr now owns "100 per cent trademark rights and Intellectual Property" of The Smiths name

Morrissey has claimed that Johnny Marr now owns all of the “trademark rights" of The Smiths, and can tour as a band without him.

www.nme.com

 

[JerryCan]

Paranoia more than anything else - I wouldn't like to live in his head.

Or this thread. I'm so glad this is can all be put to bed now.

... Morrissey has always been a bit nutty, it is one of the reasons why Morrissey & Marr worked so well together to create those songs.

And this is a prime example of the exhausting drama JM had to deal with.

 

[JerryCan]

Problem is no one owns a fax machine anymore so how could Morrissey possibly sign the doc?

That thing needs binning. I love old tech but we can't go through this sort of thing again.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Or this thread. I'm so glad this is can all be put to bed now.


And this is a prime example of the exhausting drama JM had to deal with.

And types like Morrissey have to deal with the
drama created by ‘normal’ people and society itself. No point in trying to explain. One knows or they don’t.

‘there is a better world…’

 

[goinghome]

Johnny Marr is more than intelligent enough to know that if he was to tour as The Smiths without Morrissey, then not only would it be utterly, utterly lame but that Smiths devotees would never forgive him.
I've said it before:
despite what is going on now, don't be at all surprised if a reunion of sorts DOES happen. Morrissey and Marr are both money mad.
Incidentally, it's funny that Morrissey writes about being deprived of 'significant financial earnings'.....
that is EXACTLY what he and Marr did to Andy and Mike.
Karma eh, Brother?
She's a real bitch.

Johnny Marr admitted to being the one who insisted on the division of earnings; something Morrissey got blamed for until a few years ago. Johnny broke up The Smiths without notice, though registered himself as a solo company months before. Johnny is more of the exploitative capitalist than Morrissey ever was. Btw, I wondered if Mike Joyce ever said anything about who advised him to take the case?

 

[Amy]

Johnny Marr admitted to being the one who insisted on the division of earnings; something Morrissey got blamed for until a few years ago.

Source? That is not true. They made a joint decision very early on.

 

[DaveJCarr]

Johnny Marr admitted to being the one who insisted on the division of earnings; something Morrissey got blamed for until a few years ago. Johnny broke up The Smiths without notice, thought registered himself as a solo company months before. Johnny is more of the exploitative capitalist than Morrissey ever was. Btw, I wondered if Mike Joyce ever said anything about who advised him to take the case?

1) I believe Johnny agreed to the royalty split, he did not "insist" on it - he thought as Moz did, that they weren't a band of equals.

2) The idea that he broke up The Smiths is debatable, at best. He took off, needed a break, never articulated a desire for a break up, and then read that comments by Moz et al that he left the band. .

3) He claims he told Moz etc about the copyright ussue before doing the solo reigster thing first, and there is zero evidence to the contrary.
4) Moz has had at various times royalty payment problems with his solo work too (e.g. not compensating his co-writeers. . So, he's capitalist too.
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[Young And Alive]

Johnny Marr admitted to being the one who insisted on the division of earnings; something Morrissey got blamed for until a few years ago. Johnny broke up The Smiths without notice, thought registered himself as a solo company months before. Johnny is more of the exploitative capitalist than Morrissey ever was. Btw, I wondered if Mike Joyce ever said anything about who advised him to take the case?

If I recall correctly, Joyce was in the process of applying for a mortgage shortly after the demise of the band and his accountant needed Joyce to provide proof of earnings. He claims he had always been under the impression he was getting 25%, but when he actually got confirmation (I'm assuming from Rough Trade) he learnt it was only 10%. And that started the ball rolling.