What has happened to Bonfire of Teenagers? - media request

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

You don't necessarily need to know someone to have a valid opinion about something they have written.

totally agree. That’s what we do here.

That’s how people could have opinions about why Morrissey wrote the open letter, and what his point was or may have been.

No one needs to know ‘what was in Morrissey’s mind?’

 

[goinghome]

I’ve been listening to the album World Peace Is None Of Your Business, and after the credits, I noticed with some surprise the names in the ‘label crew’.

That's a very big crew. 25 record company execs, all having shared indispensable creative nous, apparently.

Without a recognisable byline, it’s hard to know if the media request above is genuine, or someone else trying to stir it and cause grief for Morrissey yet again.

Defamatory skullduggery reach an especially intense pitch when there’s news, or new releases or publications to review. That’s when this kind of activity may happen: journalists visit this site run as a business by a professional platform engineer capable of search engine optimisation. Msolo gets a huge and growing number of visitors; about a quarter million per month. According to rating sites, income is about $2,000 per week or over $100,000 annually. Estimated value is nearly half a million dollars, or more unlikely, over 25 million, depending where you look

https://hypestat.com/info/morrissey-solo.com

and

https://www.similarweb.com/website/morrissey-solo.com/#overview

For keeping Morrissey in the public eye, his interests and those of site owners and staff should converge, whatever about other aspects, such as what reactions to promote. Still, the power of M-solo means it almost instantly subsumes his own channels, whether he likes it or not. And you’re probably aware of the unhappy history. Nor is the past quite past, as day after day, night after night, users forage for news and finds, while among them, Morrissey’s enemies can freely drop in, gathering up more ammo for precisely-timed salvos, with lies and slurs, to bring Morrissey down lower and lower – so low... Others may gradually get caught up in recurring slurry waves and lose discernment; the classic herd mentality effect that takes strength to withstand.

This is an alternative explanation for why many site members no longer take part, rather than blaming what Morrissey has or hasn't done. I know several who still follow Morrissey but refuse to engage with routine malice here. This place is often toxic. Shouldn’t it be possible to keep a respectful atmosphere and work out mutual interchange with the star? Why not? It probably already does happen at times.

Moderation is mainly done for content filing, rather than to promote community harmony, ethical communication on what is a public forum, or fairness. See site info tabs above on lax regime. On the main pages I recently called out a longtime troll sending me abusive direct messages, which I wasn’t replying to, and I got no indication of my statement being noted. It’s easy to imagine that accommodating the targeting of people in this way would drive those of a more favourable and genial disposition away. In fact, is there also a gap for an article about fan websites, official and non-official, moderated and otherwise?

A couple of years ago, a Bloomberg journalist addressed the incident of Morrissey being probed by Secret Services - https://www.morrissey-solo.com/thre...for-30-minutes-in-nyc-january-18-2022.150607/

He made the observation about Morrissey that the attention he attracts tends to signal wider trends elsewhere, and in that way, he is a sort of lightning rod and bell-weather for society at large. As you know, he’s been criticised a lot and by some, cancelled in the past few years. But growing intolerance is a fact of life considering extreme judicial penalties on environmental activists e.g.

https://juststopoil.org/2024/09/06/...and-un-chief-warns-of-red-alert-for-humanity/

and dictatorial policing and intimidation of journalists -

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/09/the-end-of-western-pluralist-democracy/

Isn’t that how the cookies are crumbling, especially for rebels without applause? Would it get you in hot water to also reflect on such factors in your article? How is it coming along? Good luck!

 

[Anonymous]

BOT or the industrial accident



Controversial title ( for Moz nowadays)

Crap cover

Rushed in producer and musicians (probably unconvincing songs for Capitol HQ)

Miley ´s soap opera for backing vocals

BOThas to be forgotten quickly.



NB : "Rebels Without Applause » os a very good song

 

[Anonbloke]

He knows him much better than almost anyone, having spent 5 years together in a very close and intimate relationship. At least he should have spoken from experience during that period. Like Joyce did. Let’s not forget that the racist accusations didn’t start with For Britain or ‘the Chinese are a subspecies’ mishaps. No they date back to Panic, so in an indirect way they should have an effect on Marr, too. Like it had on Joyce who then came out to support Moz.

The whole point of the open letter or the supposed ‘yes’ from Moz about the reunion is to provoke a reaction from Marr, or to at least make him rethink what he will say about him in public.

Marr and Morrissey may have spent "5 years together in a very close and intimate relationship" but that was almost 40 years ago. 40 years! Would you feel confident saying you know someone "better than almost anyone" if you hadn't been friends with them for four decades?

 

[Anonymous]

You don't necessarily need to know someone to have a valid opinion about something they have written.

Exactly, it doesn’t matter what the intent of a statement was, it matters how it was perceived. And Johnny perceived it was an insult.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Marr and Morrissey may have spent "5 years together in a very close and intimate relationship" but that was almost 40 years ago. 40 years! Would you feel confident saying you know someone "better than almost anyone" if you hadn't been friends with them for four decades?

It depends. Like Joyce, maybe Marr would say ‘Yes it’s been years, but I think I know Morrissey well enough to say that he ….’

 

[Gray Fruit]

It depends. Like Joyce, maybe Marr would say ‘Yes it’s been years, but I think I know Morrissey well enough to say that he ….’

Perhaps Marr is doing Moz a favor by not saying what he really thinks.

 

[Redacted]

It depends. Like Joyce, maybe Marr would say ‘Yes it’s been years, but I think I know Morrissey well enough to say that he ….’

No, he doesn't know Morrissey well enough, Morrissey was sure to tell him that in the open letter.
"The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings."

It must suck when the consequences of your own actions come back and bite you hard. Morrissey never learns.

 

[Mosserray]

No, he doesn't know Morrissey well enough, Morrissey was sure to tell him that in the open letter.
"The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings."

It must suck when the consequences of your own actions come back and bite you hard. Morrissey never learns.

It's hilarious how much that vicious open letter to Marr backfired on Morrissey. It probably ruined the chances for the multi-million dollar payout he was hoping for with a Smiths reunion. He probably should have preceded negotiations with a very public letter of apology to Johnny.

Meanwhile, the open letter has been a gift to Marr who never has to mention Morrissey again. It's funny that Marr put out a 300-page book that does not contain one mention of Morrissey. Andy gets a nice picture, but no hint of Moz. I wonder if they went back and edited out every mention and cropped Moz out of all the photos. That must have been satisfying.

 

[Redacted]

It's hilarious how much that vicious open letter to Marr backfired on Morrissey. It probably ruined the chances for the multi-million dollar payout he was hoping for with a Smiths reunion. He probably should have preceded negotiations with a very public letter of apology to Johnny.

Meanwhile, the open letter has been a gift to Marr who never has to mention Morrissey again. It's funny that Marr put out a 300-page book that does not contain one mention of Morrissey. Andy gets a nice picture, but no hint of Moz. I wonder if they went back and edited out every mention and cropped Moz out of all the photos. That must have been satisfying.

At the time, I did think Morrissey was justified. In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, Morrissey did say too many things that can and are coming back to get him now, esp as Amy pointed out that he was going through the Miley Cyrus drama when he wrote that open letter.

That letter was just too long and verbose, he could have done something shorter and not so detailed, but again in retrospect I think there were a lot of veiled references that only Johnny would get and we would not.

I have the impression that Johnny's reaction to it after his initial reaction of anger, which was public, could have been 'what the hell am I doing bothering with him?' and he took Morrissey's advice and went along with his life and career and got to a better place.

Morrissey's letter seemed to have a certain finality to it, and he has to live with it now, he did not leave any door open for any reconciliation.

I imagine the editing process was a bit like going through your old pictures and cutting off the head of your ex

 

[Amy]

At the time, I did think Morrissey was justified. In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, Morrissey did say too many things that can and are coming back to get him now, esp as Amy pointed out that he was going through the Miley Cyrus drama when he wrote that open letter.

That letter was just too long and verbose, he could have done something shorter and not so detailed, but again in retrospect I think there were a lot of veiled references that only Johnny would get and we would not.

I have the impression that Johnny's reaction to it after his initial reaction of anger, which was public, could have been 'what the hell am I doing bothering with him?' and he took Morrissey's advice and went along with his life and career and got to a better place.

Morrissey's letter seemed to have a certain finality to it, and he has to live with it now, he did not leave any door open for any reconciliation.

I imagine the editing process was a bit like going through your old pictures and cutting off the head of your ex

I think the grievance was justified in the sense that Marr has been snarky in the past, but there was nothing obvious in recent years that seemed to provoke a reaction so extreme. It went on and on, it accused Marr of acting like M's psychiatrist (absurd), moaning about Golden Lights (absurd), portraying Moz as an 'eyesore monster' which he never has. Some of those claims might have been half-true in 1992, not today. It seemed like the media and fans were thinking "All this because of one comment in Uncut, it doesn't make sense?". I'm not suggesting that Johnny knew about the Capitol drama going on at the same time but I think he knew more than we did - he said the letter was about 'wanting attention' and that sounds spot-on when you read the Bonfire email. In fact, the Bonfire shitshow makes me think that M was so angry with his album stalling that he planned the open letter to create some "clickbait" of his own, poking at Johnny just to get his name out there again. Sad, desperate state of affairs.

 

[Thewlis]

I thought it was justified and quite funny.
Marr’s response with the Trump-pic was sad and desperate, just like his Farage-tweet.
Ridiculously out of touch.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

As usual, lots of assumptions as to why Morrissey does what he does. As if anyone really knew.

Also, regardless of what Morrissey says.
And speaking from my own experience, I have very close friends older now, that are pretty much the same, and when I’m with them again, it was as if it was still yesterday.

Which is why, and I’m speculating, that Marr also doesn’t want a reunion, it’s because he remembers how it was towards the end, and knows Morrissey well enough that he fears it might end up being the same way as all those years ago.

 

[Famous when dead]

There are ~188 direct Morrissey mentions in Set The Boy Free.
FWD.

 

[Dorothy]

As usual, lots of assumptions as to why Morrissey does what he does. As if anyone really knew.

Also, regardless of what Morrissey says.
And speaking from my own experience, I have very close friends older now, that are pretty much the same, and when I’m with them again, it was as if it was still yesterday.

Which is why, and I’m speculating, that Marr also doesn’t want a reunion, it’s because he remembers how it was towards the end, and knows Morrissey well enough that he fears it might end up being the same way as all those years ago.






or not.


I guess you haven’t read it then.


Lol.

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Was the comment not referring to Marr’s Guitars? Not sure if Morrissey is in that- I haven't read it.

 

[Lionsy]

As usual, lots of assumptions as to why Morrissey does what he does. As if anyone really knew.

If I want to assume his favourite breakfast is Apple poptarts from the 90s that Kellogg's no longer make and he has them made just for him at massive personal expense and that is why he can't afford to self release Bonfire that is my business

 

[Southport Grandma]

The following opinion is likely nonsense, not fully thought-through, or at least half-baked. ~

There's a borderland between what might be the truth - that Morrissey has really tried to get the album released - and a more Romantic 'truth':

The film director Orson Welles was frequently criticised for supposedly leaving many of his various projects half-finished. Though Welles, exasperated by these complaints, insisted that this was mainly due to a lack of funds, he had at least these 'Romantic truths' in common with Morrissey: both would often insist that their latest projects were 'the best thing they'd ever done' (even when this was clearly not objectively true)...and both became indulgently fond of protesting - genuinely or falsely - that audiences would have recognised the profound qualities of their most recent works. With Welles, such fond nostalgia for lost works became a kind of beloved 'trademark' of his, and occupied him for years; as regards Morrissey, his endless struggles with the music business are also emblematic of certain themes: the rebel against the system, the misunderstood artist, the soullessness of institutions...and perhaps a blissful personal ignorance of the part that egotism plays in such 'rebellions' and struggles.

Nostalgia - for good, bad or better times - is arguably key to the mindsets and works of both Welles and Morrissey. And both had tellingly similar career-arcs to someone they admired (Oscar Wilde): sensational beginnings to great acclaim, gradually followed by the near-ruination of hopes and focus. A foolish person like me might wonder if there was an element of (unconscious) design to these thwarted careers; because each of the three possessed the egos and ambitions to want it all...and if the world, life, or personal flaws inevitably got in the way of that ceaseless desire then they would settle for the glamour of 'tragedies' - the tragedies of their potential genius unrealised because of a cruel, spiteful authority - played-out before devotees and critics. Wilde, Welles, and Morrissey had that poetic obsession of seeking deeper meanings in so many things, profound or even trivial...so then, from their perspectives, what greater and more tempting hallmarks of their artistic lives could there be for them than either untouchable levels of success or else Christ-like tragedy at the hands of an uncomprehending, hostile world? Each alternative positions them at the centre; fittingly, because all their works were or are intensely autobiographical at heart.

Could also apply to Tony Hancock as his career dwindled having dispensed with Galton and Simpson and the “Half-hour” format in search of “pure”
Comedy. The next thing he did was always going to be the best and amaze his doubters. Sadly "Things just seemed to go too wrong too many times.".

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Was the comment not referring to Marr’s Guitars? Not sure if Morrissey is in that- I haven't read it.

Ah yes. I wish the anon was clearer.
I apologize for my mistake . I thought the anon was speaking about STBFree, which is closer to 500 pages.

I haven’t even flipped through his Guitar book, so wouldn’t know about M’s inclusion or not. I do remember some talk about it though.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

If I want to assume his favourite breakfast is Apple poptarts from the 90s that Kellogg's no longer make and he has them made just for him at massive personal expense and that is why he can't afford to self release Bonfire that is my business

how?

 

[NealCassidy]

Release it now!