What has happened to Bonfire of Teenagers? - media request

[TheSmiths_1985]

My natural born tendency is to always leave people hanging

For some people, that is the best place for ‘em.

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

I think what's most disgusting was the way Morrissey and his ventriloquist doll Fiona Dodwell are going on about "censorship and being silenced"... claiming Capitol is holding BOT hostage just to be cruel to him... when he knew full well the real reason BOT was not released. What's more, he had full control over it and just had to remove/replace Miley's vocals. I get he was unhappy about it - but instead of dealing with it like an adult, he created a false narrative.

Please stop making sense.
Morrissey is being cancelled and unfairly treated and he is a poor, lost soul. Duped by a nefarious estate agent, the mighty Morrissey no longer possesses one iota of common sense and has no clue what he is doing from one moment to the next.

 

[Gray Fruit]

Because he sings Morrissey’s words every single evening he performs. If he really thinks the singer from Modest Mouse is the best singer/lyricist he worked with, why not sing more or some of his songs?

Johnny knows his audience, they want to hear the Smiths. Morrissey's croon is also much easier to emulate and in Johnny's range than Isaac's yelps and staccato punk delivery. That being said, I'd love to hear his take on Dashboard or Little Motel at one of his shows.

 

[goinghome]

Who knows what Moz saw in Miley Cyrus? Was it the vulnerable young woman, born with a heart condition and named Destiny Hope Cyrus in the hope that she would overcome that condition and survive, and who went on to become a big star, very in keeping with the vibe of the song, I am Veronica? Or, since moving to Los Angeles all those years ago, does he just like a bit of US glitz and glamour? People from Britain and Ireland find it hard to resist the glamour of the USA, and rock and pop stars no exception, much as they might also mock it on occasion. Or did he just want the single and the album to be given a boost and sell better? Only Moz knows the answer to that one.

He told us. She volunteered to do the backing track for him.

Why was it a ridiculous thing to say, how do you know what he thinks.

Apparently, almost everybody else knows what he thinks, better than he does himself.

If this thread starter is genuine, they really need to take into account the nature and history of this website, best stated in the Questlove thread when contrasting it to Johnny Marr's facebook forum, which is so tightly secured that a negative comment never makes it onto the roll. Morrissey-solo allows anyone, including trolls and enemies of Morrissey, known and unknown, to dump invective here, creating a very different impression than would a correspondence even minimally censored.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

He told us. She volunteered to do the backing track for him.



Apparently, almost everybody else knows what he thinks, better than he does himself.

If this thread starter is genuine, they really need to take into account the nature and history of this website, best stated in the Questlove thread when contrasting it to Johnny Marr's facebook forum, which is so tightly secured that a negative comment never makes it onto the roll. Morrissey-solo allows anyone, including trolls and enemies of Morrissey, known and unknown, to dump invective here, creating a very different impression than would a correspondence even minimally censored.

Never, ever speaking to you again ever as long as i live for deleting backstage warm-up excercises signature gif for this ugly fat cartoon baby and a coffin!

 

[Johnnie Ray]

Anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's. It is to be assumed that Red Light Management are attempting to look for a deal with a label to release the album in the 'traditional' way. Whether any label will want to do that after the fiasco with Capitol, and the 'controversial' nature of the title track, given recent events in the UK, is uncertain. It is also to be assumed that Morrissey is sticking to his long held aversion to consider self releasing the album in some way. As a fan, I think that's a shame. I think he is missing a trick by not going down the self release route. What a great way to potentially by-pass the labels and speak directly to his audience.
From the songs from the album we have heard live, the album does indeed sound great. I would love to see the album released and hear the studio versions of the songs. Although there may be an issue about the production / sound mixing of the album, if 'Rebels Without Applause' is anything to go by? But that's a whole separate topic in itself.

Kerouac's Butt Crack seems to be the standout track.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Really, in the past 7-8 years when Moz came under attack from the British press? Cannot think of one instance, please give me an example.

True.

Dear Thewlis, I could write you a list but start with Johnny's Q & A at the Oxford Union, this Vulture article, and interview with John Dorian (British Masters). Lots of reminiscing about the Smiths, so it's not always about Moz on his own, but generally he is really nice. In the Oxford event he ignores an opportunity to slag off the lyrics to Some Girls and says that Morrissey was his best mate then and he thought everything his best mate did was great. Admittedly, he's said less since the open letter, but that's probably to avoid getting a second one. Here's a nice bit from the Vulture piece:

The truth was that there was loads of love in it. So maybe that’s the story that everybody is missing. Maybe that’s a surprise that everybody who is still interested needs to be reminded of: One of the reasons why they liked the sound of it and why it sounds the way it does is because there’s so much love in it. And there was love in the making of it. There was love in the writing of it. And sure, there was drama, but what you hear was a result of stone-cold love.

Yes, but where Joyce stepped in to support M against false accusations of being a racist, where was Marr?

Yeah, Marr has been nice here and there over the years, but it’s the snarky comments that to M probably felt more like stabs to the heart.

I think the point of the open letter was that M didn’t want Marr to say anything that could be turned into clickbait to make him look like the bad guy.

 

[Redacted]

True.



Yes, but where Joyce stepped in to support M against false accusations of being a racist, where was Marr?

Yeah, Marr has been nice here and there over the years, but it’s the snarky comments that to M probably felt more like stabs to the heart.

I think the point of the open letter was that M didn’t want Marr to say anything that could be turned into clickbait to make him look like the bad guy.

Why does Johnny Marr have to defend Morrissey?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

… ‘You’re The One’

How appropriate, Johnny.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

No, it's not like any other love
This one is different, because it's us

 

[Amy]

Yes, but where Joyce stepped in to support M against false accusations of being a racist, where was Marr?

Mike is a "professional ex-Smith", as Morrissey once called him. His only opportunity to be in the media is to talk about the Smiths, and he took it as he always has. That's not loyalty, it's utter self-interest. As his every attempt to win favour with Moz and Johnny has been since the court case.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Mike is a "professional ex-Smith", as Morrissey once called him. He never had any significant career afterwards, his only opportunity to be in the media is to talk about the Smiths, and he took it as he always has. That's not loyalty, it's utter self-interest. As his every attempt to win favour with Moz and Johnny has been since the court case.

true. And yet …

 

[Gray Fruit]

Yes, but where Joyce stepped in to support M against false accusations of being a racist, where was Marr?

Yeah, Marr has been nice here and there over the years, but it’s the snarky comments that to M probably felt more like stabs to the heart.

I think the point of the open letter was that M didn’t want Marr to say anything that could be turned into clickbait to make him look like the bad guy.

How can Marr step in to support Moz when he doesn't know him any more. According to Moz' open letter: "The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings."

Marr doesn't know if he is or is not racist, just what he reads in the press like the rest of us.

 

[Thewlis]

How can Marr step in to support Moz when he doesn't know him any more. According to Moz' open letter: "The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings."

Marr doesn't know if he is or is not racist, just what he reads in the press like the rest of us.

He knows him much better than almost anyone, having spent 5 years together in a very close and intimate relationship. At least he should have spoken from experience during that period. Like Joyce did. Let’s not forget that the racist accusations didn’t start with For Britain or ‘the Chinese are a subspecies’ mishaps. No they date back to Panic, so in an indirect way they should have an effect on Marr, too. Like it had on Joyce who then came out to support Moz.

The whole point of the open letter or the supposed ‘yes’ from Moz about the reunion is to provoke a reaction from Marr, or to at least make him rethink what he will say about him in public.

 

[Anonymous]

He knows him much better than almost anyone, having spent 5 years together in a very close and intimate relationship. At least he should have spoken from experience during that period. Like Joyce did. Let’s not forget that the racist accusations didn’t start with For Britain or ‘the Chinese are a subspecies’ mishaps. No they date back to Panic, so in an indirect way they should have an effect on Marr, too. Like it had on Joyce who then came out to support Moz.

The whole point of the open letter or the supposed ‘yes’ from Moz about the reunion is to provoke a reaction from Marr, or to at least make him rethink what he will say about him in public.

How do you know that is the point of the letter? Johnny said it was meant to be insulting. Do you know what was in Morrissey’s mind?

 

[Thewlis]

Johnny said it was meant to be insulting.

Where did Johnny say that?

 

[Anonymous]

Where did Johnny say that?

In the Times interview:
A month on the guitarist explains his decision to come out fighting. “When you’re attacked out of the blue, particularly in public, you have to defend yourself. The letter was designed to be insulting, wasn’t it? That has to have been the idea. If it’s something that’s not based in fact, you have to react in kind, which is just” — he curls his lip — “with ridicule.” Tellingly, he doesn’t use the M word.

Johnny Marr interview: ‘I had to defend myself against Morrissey’

Fight or flight? Since Johnny Marr walked out on the Smiths in 1987 he has chosen the latter. He collaborated with countless artists, from the Pretenders to Mod

www.thetimes.com

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

How can Marr step in to support Moz when he doesn't know him any more. According to Moz' open letter: "The fact is: you don’t know me. You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings."

Marr doesn't know if he is or is not racist, just what he reads in the press like the rest of us.

How do you know that is the point of the letter? Johnny said it was meant to be insulting. Do you know what was in Morrissey’s mind?

In the Times interview:
A month on the guitarist explains his decision to come out fighting. “When you’re attacked out of the blue, particularly in public, you have to defend yourself. The letter was designed to be insulting, wasn’t it? That has to have been the idea. If it’s something that’s not based in fact, you have to react in kind, which is just” — he curls his lip — “with ridicule.” Tellingly, he doesn’t use the M word.

Johnny Marr interview: ‘I had to defend myself against Morrissey’

Fight or flight? Since Johnny Marr walked out on the Smiths in 1987 he has chosen the latter. He collaborated with countless artists, from the Pretenders to Mod

www.thetimes.com

Yes, Johnny seems to think it was an insult. But how does Johnny really know what’s in Morrissey’s mind? considering what anon Gray Fruit says above about Johnny not knowing Morrissey anymore, and only knows Morrissey through what’s online, such as press, or the open letter.

 

[Cornflakes]

You don't necessarily need to know someone to have a valid opinion about something they have written.