Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

I mean it sounded plausibly-Morrissey (i.e., similar to the David Joseph back-and-forth with "Boz Boorer"), one could be forgiven for thinking its real. And if it were fake, it certainly seems the type of thing that Morrissey would take legal action for the implication that he sent that.
Could you give us some background on what went down there, why Scott Rodger would have posted that?
Oh I was just messing with the guy who posted that.

That email was totally legit.

I don’t know Scott, but it looked to me like he posted that email because the whole Capitol situation was getting out of hand. Moz was letting fans believe Capitol was holding the album hostage, to the point that genius fan flew a goddamn plane with a banner over the Capitol Tower in LA— find the news item on this site. (Viva Mozi!).

I think he released that email to call Moz out publicly and get the harassment of the head of Captiol to stop. The email was leaked 4 days after the plane stunt.

Which worked, because suddenly M changed his tone (watch the Fox NYC interview from 3 days after the leaked email) and now, suddenly, he returned the advance and got his album back. It ruined his “evil label” narrative, but he got his LP back. Onwards and upwards to new and better excuses.

(Nothing above is based on my recent involvement. It’s just watching this dude operate for 34 years.)
 
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This is quite sad seeing Johnny Marr just playing with these bands. He only supported Blondie cos Blondie supported Morrissey...trust me it's what jealous ex-friends "do." He says he just wants to move forward...what by playing with Britney Spears or Taylor Swift next? He should have pushed Morrissey for a Smiths reunion before Andy died...and made everyone happy, and himself cos I do think he's in it for the money, even though everyone says that's Morrissey. Marr really does really know it's over, yet still he clings...

'Just playing with these bands'

Underneath the skinny jeans and indie blazers, Marr is an old-school 60s guitarist. They liked being out on the road, playing guitar. Often with other artists, whenever the opportunity arose. Many preferred that lifestyle to being in a traditional band.

And they weren't snobby about it, either. If they got a call inviting them to a soundcheck next Thursday, then why not? At worst you have a fun night jamming in front of a new audience, at best you've just made a new collaborator.

Johnny's from the school of traveller players, happy to join everyone from young 'uns (Cribs) to cult icons (J Masics, Bert Jansch) to commercial pop stars (Killers, Blondie) and legends like Nile Rogers.

It's also great publicity, as you pointed out. It raises Marr's profile and introduces new listeners to the Smiths, which indirectly benefits Morrissey too, as much as he loves to moan about it. So win-win. Money, publicity, exposure and having fun with your tuning knobs. Music is the business of selling 'art'.

What do you want Marr to do? Retire and spend his days fussing over Farrow and Ball paint samples? If he wants to dodge unwise reunions and instead caterwaul his way through Morrissey's vocal lines every night, why can't he? (I'd personally pay good money to see Keith Richards sing The Stones.)

At the end of the day, the Smiths were an 80s pop band. A cut above all other pop musicians, sure, but nevertheless a pop band. Both Marr and Morrissey were as in it for the money as every other group who ever agreed to appear on Top of the Pops.

You and many others on this site are holding his feet to the flames of a bizarre standard that few other working guitarist-songwriters of his era are held to. Musicians are allowed to make credible art *and* be money hungry with good business acumen at the same time. Nobody goes into the music biz to be a commercial failure!
 
Nobody has leaked BOT because :

[] Nobody cares
[] SER keeps the original to show it to the half naked models he wants to take to bed
[] It’s crap
[] Benny the butcher stole the masters while on holidays in LA

Inspector Zoom from the gloom , please start the inquiry . Fans are waiting
 
Come March 2025 it will have been 5 years since “I am not a Dog on a Chain” was released. For perspective, The Smiths entire existence happened over 5 years. In the past 5 years this is what Morrissey has done:

2 albums recorded and unreleased,
91 shows, 31 cancellations. (who in his camp thought YATQ20 shows would be successful?)
1 self-serving Fiona Dodwell "interview"
Zero explanations for Perth, Nottingham, Auckland, Greek…
3,254 Central posts about dead people, fan videos, album/single/tour announcements that never happen

But no worries, I get it. I’m the asshole for noticing this.
Stop me if I've heard this before but aren't we back in "the flat, grey years in between" of '97-'04? The Attak/Sanctuary "deal" gave us YATQ so I'm hopeful that this period of no album release will spawn a great album or two. I thought this past summer's Vegas comeback shows would lead to something other than more concert dates but alas. That said, his recent shows have been unmitigated success stories with bedding in a new guitarist & keyboardist to boot. Where he goes from here is the big question.

BTW I thought the YATQ20 shows were a great idea as he's been playing most of the album anyway (except for the immaculate LMKY) from the Vegas shows to the recent mini-tour. I would have loved a YOR15 tour too but that didn't happen either.

Lastly, aren't all interviews "self-serving"?
 
Stop me if I've heard this before but aren't we back in "the flat, grey years in between" of '97-'04? The Attak/Sanctuary "deal" gave us YATQ so I'm hopeful that this period of no album release will spawn a great album or two. I thought this past summer's Vegas comeback shows would lead to something other than more concert dates but alas. That said, his recent shows have been unmitigated success stories with bedding in a new guitarist & keyboardist to boot. Where he goes from here is the big question.

BTW I thought the YATQ20 shows were a great idea as he's been playing most of the album anyway (except for the immaculate LMKY) from the Vegas shows to the recent mini-tour. I would have loved a YOR15 tour too but that didn't happen either.

Lastly, aren't all interviews "self-serving"?

Yeah, but back during that wilderness period he had time on his side. It isn’t in his favour to be in another wilderness period at 65.
 
Yeah, but back during that wilderness period he had time on his side. It isn’t in his favour to be in another wilderness period at 65.
And he wasn’t despised and ridiculed back then. And there was a wave of younger artists coming up, influenced by 80’s bands like The Smiths, The Cure etc. And the record industry was completely different. So there’s no point in comparing this period with the one from the late 90’s-early 2000’s.

Edit: Oh, and the new material he was playing was brilliant.
 
Yeah, but back during that wilderness period he had time on his side. It isn’t in his favour to be in another wilderness period at 65.
He also didn’t spend 97-04 self financing the recording of two albums worth of material and then complaining that nobody will release them.
 
2009-2014 was another such period.
He will be fine.

The longer you wait, the more eager the public will be to hear new music. Five years between releases is actually quite common for artists of his generation.
 
2009-2014 was another such period.
He will be fine.

The longer you wait, the more eager the public will be to hear new music. Five years between releases is actually quite common for artists of his generation.
His reputation now is much worse than it was back then.
 
But his legacy is still the same, if not bigger as The Smiths reach ever new generations of audiences.
I agree that The Smiths’ legacy is formidable, but some say that Moz’ own legacy is tarnished beyond repair. He is ridiculed and despised, with a much smaller audience than he used to have. This wilderness period is much bleaker than the one back in the early 2010’s.
 
2009-2014 was another such period.
He will be fine.

The longer you wait, the more eager the public will be to hear new music. Five years between releases is actually quite common for artists of his generation.
Your delusion is so funny. You pretend as tho the 5 years since IANADOAC is intentional, when Morrissey himself talks incessantly about how he wants these out.
 
Your delusion is so funny. You pretend as tho the 5 years since IANADOAC is intentional, when Morrissey himself talks incessantly about how he wants these out.
Again, just stating facts there.

Morrissey released 3 albums in 3 years time (2017-2020), which is simply too much.
He will have to wait a little longer now.
 
Your delusion is so funny. You pretend as tho the 5 years since IANADOAC is intentional, when Morrissey himself talks incessantly about how he wants these out.
Delusion indeed, esp with that one. I think there is probably waning interest in BOT and if it ever comes out, not many will care. He's already played almost all of the songs, seems he won't remove Miley, and there is too mucn negative drama surrounding this, plus the songs are depressing af. I do not know one person outside of this site who even wants to hear BOT, they are just tired of him eternally complaining about it.
 
I agree that The Smiths’ legacy is formidable, but some say that Moz’ own legacy is tarnished beyond repair. He is ridiculed and despised, with a much smaller audience than he used to have. This wilderness period is much bleaker than the one back in the early 2010’s.
Yes, some might say ;)

I don’t agree. Still one of the best lyricists and front men ever to come out of the UK. Or anywhere really.

He’ll be fine.
 
Yes, some might say ;)

I don’t agree. Still one of the best lyricists and front men ever to come out of the UK. Or anywhere really.

He’ll be fine.
I think a lot fewer people would agree with you. I personally think they’re wrong, but still. And to go into Minister of Propaganda mode won’t do anyone any favors.
 
I think a lot fewer people would agree with you. I personally think they’re wrong, but still. And to go into Minister of Propaganda mode won’t do anyone any favors.
Not really sure, The Smiths have a bigger following and reach than ever before. And those lyrics, and the voice, are definitely a huge factor for their continuing success. So I think Morrissey’s place in musical history is cemented.

But he doesn’t want to rely on that and still wants to release new music as a solo artist. And the demand for that is a lot smaller and he will have to wait longer and longer, certainly if he wants high profile releases.
 
Not really sure, The Smiths have a bigger following and reach than ever before. And those lyrics, and the voice, are definitely a huge factor for their continuing success. So I think Morrissey’s place in musical history is cemented.

But he doesn’t want to rely on that and still wants to release new music as a solo artist. And the demand for that is a lot smaller and he will have to wait longer and longer, certainly if he wants high profile releases.
We shall see. Even though I’m not the fan I used to be, I still wish him the best. And he is certainly not getting the best now.
 
He also didn’t spend 97-04 self financing the recording of two albums worth of material and then complaining that nobody will release them.

He did spend time writing, demoing and rehearsing new material that was included in the 2002 tour before he had a new deal.
 
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