Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

Yes, time is certainly not on his side but Wilde is! How much longer he carry on and tour is ostensibly less than 3-4 years so something or someone has to give.
Well, Frank Sinatra toured until he was 80. Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney are still at it leading into their mid 80s. People are healthier and living longer these days. Morrissey is only 65 and he sounds amazing. Better than ever before, in fact. Music is his life. Touring is his life. I don't see him putting the mic down any time soon. Thank GOD.
 
@Odbmke I just reread your initial post in this thread. Apologies as this has probably already been asked... but regarding the indie deal that Galli put together was Morrissey initially onboard or never onboard and rejected it when he learned about it? If he was onboard, what happened to change his mind?
 
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Well, Frank Sinatra toured until he was 80. Mick Jagger and Paul McCartney are still at it leading into their mid 80s. People are healthier and living longer these days. Morrissey is only 65 and he sounds amazing.
It's amazing how well Morrissey's voice has held up, but inevitably it will start to go at some point. Most veteran singers start losing range, and have to drop the keys of the songs they are playing. McCartney may still be physically touring, but his voice has been getting steadily worse for at least a decade, and he now sounds like a croaking frog and can't hit any high notes at all.

If we're lucky, Morrissey still has a few years of peak vocal performance, but most of his 80's contemporaries have already suffered vocal declines from their heyday and the clock is definitely ticking.
 
@Odbmke I just reread your initial post in this thread. Apologies as this has probably already been asked... but regarding the indie deal that Galli put together was Morrissey initially onboard or never onboard and rejected it when he learned about it? If he was onboard, what happened to change his mind?
Given “Jesse’s” statement of August 5 about “forthcoming releases”, it’s reasonable to assume Morrissey had approved negotiations with the label.

Aug 5 - “forthcoming releases” statement by “Jesse”

Aug 26 - Nigel Farage tweet by Johnny, which sets off the days long trademark and smiths reunion and reissue public cat fight. Trademark issue reopens old Smiths wounds, including the idea Joyce might become involved again.

Sept 19 -Management sacked

Nov 23 - Glorious Waukegan show
 
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It's amazing how well Morrissey's voice has held up, but inevitably it will start to go at some point. Most veteran singers start losing range, and have to drop the keys of the songs they are playing. McCartney may still be physically touring, but his voice has been getting steadily worse for at least a decade, and he now sounds like a croaking frog and can't hit any high notes at all.

If we're lucky, Morrissey still has a few years of peak vocal performance, but most of his 80's contemporaries have already suffered vocal declines from their heyday and the clock is definitely ticking.

This might be the reason he recorded WMTWD while BOT remains unreleased. He knows the clock is ticking. How can he post all these obituaries and not? Instead, I wish he would work through whatever issues are preventing a new deal. Be open to working with an indie label. He'd probably get more creative control as well. The only one holding up his forward progress is him.
 
Yes, time is certainly not on his side but Wilde is! How much longer he carry on and tour is ostensibly less than 3-4 years so something or someone has to give.

Precisely. And he should sing I Live In Oblivion more to send the point home.
 
Given “Jesse’s” statement of August 5 about “forthcoming releases”, it’s reasonable to assume Morrissey had approved negotiations with the label.

Aug 5 - “forthcoming releases” statement by “Jesse”

Aug 26 - Nigel Farage tweet by Johnny, which sets off the days long trademark and smiths reunion and reissue public cat fight. Trademark issue reopens old Smiths wounds, including the idea Joyce might become involved again.

Sept 19 -Management sacked

Nov 23 - Glorious Waukegan show

Wait, you’re blaming Johnny’s jokey tweet about Farage for Morrissey’s downfall? I don’t get it, why would it affect him that much. Moz admires Farage, he’s said so.
 
This might be the reason he recorded WMTWD while BOT remains unreleased. He knows the clock is ticking. How can he post all these obituaries and not? Instead, I wish he would work through whatever issues are preventing a new deal. Be open to working with an indie label. He'd probably get more creative control as well. The only one holding up his forward progress is him.
My thoughts when he was saying nice things about Rough Trade was that he was signing with them.
 
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Wait, you’re blaming Johnny’s jokey tweet about Farage for Morrissey’s downfall? I don’t get it, why would it affect him that much. Moz admires Farage, he’s said so.

I felt that tweet wasn't an isolated thing, as Johnny usually responds to reunion comments either by ignoring or rebuking them (and without mentioning the Morrissey shaped elephant in the room). It was possibly a sign of private frustrations spilling out into public. They were presumably in contact back in June r.e. the reunion offer + greatest hits album. So when the Oasis tour was announced, Johnny thought he'd go and poke the bear on social media for publicity.

And instead of parrying the thrust and deflecting with wit, Morrissey took the bait. He went on a month-long spree of accusatory rants and just ended up looking like an absolute tit. It was the Open Letter melodrama all over again but with more hostility.

But outside the echo chambers of twitter, few people in the Real World care about Morrissey's views on Farage or whoever. I'm sure as a successful and extremely rich musician, he knows this.

Nikki Minaj sells out stadiums, and her female fanbase doesn't care that she's married to a convicted child rapist whose presence at shows has to be legally declared to ticket holders before entry. Gary Glitter's voice and music was featured in a major Hollwood film. Ranting about deporting immigrants and hating black people still hasn't cancelled Eric Clapton.

It's difficult to 'cancel' you once you have a product that makes $$$$$. And fans often care more about their emotional attachment to the music than the artist's personal history. If a Smiths tour was announced tomorrow, most of the people wailing about Morrissey would be showing off their presale codes on tiktok.

What's really stymied Morrissey's music career is a combination of half-cancelled tours, dull commercial choices and a refusal to copy Marr and work on his legacy persona/public image. Would the casual fan (not the average MSOLO poster) prefer the jangly wit of Suedehead, or the embittered funeral dirge of Notre Dame and Bonfire?

Most B list legacy acts signed to big labels rely on the wider pool of average joes to consume tour tickets and media. And the average joe who'd be expected to fill most of the 10k seats at the venues Morrissey dreams of playing have higher standards than the parasocial stalkers and guestlist grifters who chain themselves to the front row at all 30 dates.

They want to hear 15 classics, 1-2 fan favorites, and 5-6 Smiths hits thrown in on top. Not a half-assed How Soon Is Now?, followed by Munich air disaster and sure enough the telephone rings. No mid-show walk outs or cancellations because its cold and he forgot to bring a sweater.

He's spent years refusing to work to the same standard as every other ageing artist signed to a major label, so how can he expect to receive the same pampered deals and luxury treatment?

He was a fool to reject Marr's original Smiths offer back in 2010. Even a one-off Glastonbury reunion gig and an occasional tour every 5 years would have dovetailed nicely with the arrival of the Spotify model. Many old/defunct bands followed a similar path (ie Blur). He'd have been richer, his solo career would be healthier, *and* he'd have the pick of the old-fashioned record company litter.

Morrissey backed himself into a corner through his lack of modern business sense. Instead of working on future-proofing the last decade of his career against the digital age, he raged against it... and now here we are in 2024, where a grown man in his mid 60s has tried to claim his ex bandmate is the one preventing him from making money off his own legacy and music, and not his own bullish choices.

Judge John Weeks was right when he said Marr was more intelligent than Morrissey. On paper, Marr has far less commercial or artistic appeal. And yet he's built multiple income streams, a worldwide network of collaborators and a comfortable career most side men could only dream of.

As the frontman Morrissey owns the eternal, immortal legacy of the Smiths, yes... but you can't enjoy your immortality when you're dead. In old age, Marr seems to have ended up living the better life.


It's not too late to turn things around and become the indie Leonard Cohen, but that would require a complete 180... and replacing Dodwell and The Nephew with a decent social media and PR assistant
 
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I felt that tweet wasn't an isolated thing, as Johnny usually responds to reunion comments either by ignoring or rebuking them (and without mentioning the Morrissey shaped elephant in the room). It was possibly a sign of private frustrations spilling out into public. They were presumably in contact back in June r.e. the reunion offer + greatest hits album. So when the Oasis tour was announced, Johnny thought he'd go and poke the bear on social media for publicity.

And instead of parrying the thrust and deflecting with wit, Morrissey took the bait. He went on a month-long spree of accusatory rants and just ended up looking like an absolute tit. It was the Open Letter melodrama all over again but with more hostility.

But outside the echo chambers of twitter, few people in the Real World care about Morrissey's views on Farage or whoever. I'm sure as a successful and extremely rich musician, he knows this.

Nikki Minaj sells out stadiums, and her female fanbase doesn't care that she's married to a convicted child rapist whose presence at shows has to be legally declared to ticket holders before entry. Gary Glitter's voice and music was featured in a major Hollwood film. Ranting about deporting immigrants and hating black people still hasn't cancelled Eric Clapton.

It's difficult to 'cancel' you once you have a product that makes $$$$$. And fans often care more about their emotional attachment to the music than the artist's personal history. If a Smiths tour was announced tomorrow, most of the people wailing about Morrissey would be showing off their presale codes on tiktok.

What's really stymied Morrissey's music career is a combination of half-cancelled tours, dull commercial choices and a refusal to copy Marr and work on his legacy persona/public image. Would the casual fan (not the average MSOLO poster) prefer the jangly wit of Suedehead, or the embittered funeral dirge of Notre Dame and Bonfire?

Most B list legacy acts signed to big labels rely on the wider pool of average joes to consume tour tickets and media. And the average joe who'd be expected to fill most of the 10k seats at the venues Morrissey dreams of playing have higher standards than the parasocial stalkers and guestlist grifters who chain themselves to the front row at all 30 dates.

They want to hear 15 classics, 1-2 fan favorites, and 5-6 Smiths hits thrown in on top. Not a half-assed How Soon Is Now?, followed by Munich air disaster and sure enough the telephone rings. No mid-show walk outs or cancellations because its cold and he forgot to bring a sweater.

He's spent years refusing to work to the same standard as every other ageing artist signed to a major label, so how can he expect to receive the same pampered deals and luxury treatment?

He was a fool to reject Marr's original Smiths offer back in 2010. Even a one-off Glastonbury reunion gig and an occasional tour every 5 years would have dovetailed nicely with the arrival of the Spotify model. Many old/defunct bands followed a similar path (ie Blur). He'd have been richer, his solo career would be healthier, *and* he'd have the pick of the old-fashioned record company litter.

Morrissey backed himself into a corner through his lack of modern business sense. Instead of working on future-proofing the last decade of his career against the digital age, he raged against it... and now here we are in 2024, where a grown man in his mid 60s has tried to claim his ex bandmate is the one preventing him from making money off his own legacy and music, and not his own bullish choices.

Judge John Weeks was right when he said Marr was more intelligent than Morrissey. On paper, Marr has far less commercial or artistic appeal. And yet he's built multiple income streams, a worldwide network of collaborators and a comfortable career most side men could only dream of.

As the frontman Morrissey owns the eternal, immortal legacy of the Smiths, yes... but you can't enjoy your immortality when you're dead. In old age, Marr seems to have ended up living the better life.


It's not too late to turn things around and become the indie Leonard Cohen, but that would require a complete 180... and replacing Dodwell and The Nephew with a decent social media and PR assistant
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I felt that tweet wasn't an isolated thing, as Johnny usually responds to reunion comments either by ignoring or rebuking them (and without mentioning the Morrissey shaped elephant in the room). It was possibly a sign of private frustrations spilling out into public. They were presumably in contact back in June r.e. the reunion offer + greatest hits album. So when the Oasis tour was announced, Johnny thought he'd go and poke the bear on social media for publicity.

And instead of parrying the thrust and deflecting with wit, Morrissey took the bait. He went on a month-long spree of accusatory rants and just ended up looking like an absolute tit. It was the Open Letter melodrama all over again but with more hostility.

But outside the echo chambers of twitter, few people in the Real World care about Morrissey's views on Farage or whoever. I'm sure as a successful and extremely rich musician, he knows this.

Nikki Minaj sells out stadiums, and her female fanbase doesn't care that she's married to a convicted child rapist whose presence at shows has to be legally declared to ticket holders before entry. Gary Glitter's voice and music was featured in a major Hollwood film. Ranting about deporting immigrants and hating black people still hasn't cancelled Eric Clapton.

It's difficult to 'cancel' you once you have a product that makes $$$$$. And fans often care more about their emotional attachment to the music than the artist's personal history. If a Smiths tour was announced tomorrow, most of the people wailing about Morrissey would be showing off their presale codes on tiktok.

What's really stymied Morrissey's music career is a combination of half-cancelled tours, dull commercial choices and a refusal to copy Marr and work on his legacy persona/public image. Would the casual fan (not the average MSOLO poster) prefer the jangly wit of Suedehead, or the embittered funeral dirge of Notre Dame and Bonfire?

Most B list legacy acts signed to big labels rely on the wider pool of average joes to consume tour tickets and media. And the average joe who'd be expected to fill most of the 10k seats at the venues Morrissey dreams of playing have higher standards than the parasocial stalkers and guestlist grifters who chain themselves to the front row at all 30 dates.

They want to hear 15 classics, 1-2 fan favorites, and 5-6 Smiths hits thrown in on top. Not a half-assed How Soon Is Now?, followed by Munich air disaster and sure enough the telephone rings. No mid-show walk outs or cancellations because its cold and he forgot to bring a sweater.

He's spent years refusing to work to the same standard as every other ageing artist signed to a major label, so how can he expect to receive the same pampered deals and luxury treatment?

He was a fool to reject Marr's original Smiths offer back in 2010. Even a one-off Glastonbury reunion gig and an occasional tour every 5 years would have dovetailed nicely with the arrival of the Spotify model. Many old/defunct bands followed a similar path (ie Blur). He'd have been richer, his solo career would be healthier, *and* he'd have the pick of the old-fashioned record company litter.

Morrissey backed himself into a corner through his lack of modern business sense. Instead of working on future-proofing the last decade of his career against the digital age, he raged against it... and now here we are in 2024, where a grown man in his mid 60s has tried to claim his ex bandmate is the one preventing him from making money off his own legacy and music, and not his own bullish choices.

Judge John Weeks was right when he said Marr was more intelligent than Morrissey. On paper, Marr has far less commercial or artistic appeal. And yet he's built multiple income streams, a worldwide network of collaborators and a comfortable career most side men could only dream of.

As the frontman Morrissey owns the eternal, immortal legacy of the Smiths, yes... but you can't enjoy your immortality when you're dead. In old age, Marr seems to have ended up living the better life.


It's not too late to turn things around and become the indie Leonard Cohen, but that would require a complete 180... and replacing Dodwell and The Nephew with a decent social media and PR assistant

Excellent!
 
Yes, I expect them to get it right the first time.

They are all professionals and he brags about doing this for 40 years.

I’ve spent a large part of my professional life watching bands rehearse for shows/tours/recording and the fact that they didn’t nail SHJ is an absolute joke.
you appeared from nowhere one day with all these details about contracts and fan clubs and tours and you have never proved that any of these are factually correct.
 
you appeared from nowhere one day with all these details about contracts and fan clubs and tours and you have never proved that any of these are factually correct.
That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become. Which is basically my point.
 
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That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.
And yet you remain because all you need is Morrissey. :LOL:
 
That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.

Odbmke, for what little it is worth: I'm very grateful for all you've brought to light here and I trust your honesty.

That said, I do wonder if you might give Morrissey the benefit of the doubt sometimes?

There are things here no-one can know about, including what Marr might have said to Moz in private for instance.

I also wonder if not enough attention has been given to how horrific it may have been for Morrissey if (?) Marr was indeed thinking of resurrecting the Smiths with Brandon Flowers or whoever?

Myself, I can't help really feeling for Morrissey in all this. He needs prayer, help and understanding.

But again, I am grateful to you.

Two questions. You say you are sure Morrissey will be reading this. How do you know? Genuinely curious . . .

Also do you think there could still be any hope at all that the tour might come off, even if it takes two or three years?
 
That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.
i have enough proof,i may eventually post it,,,,,,,are you dirk blaggard in disguise with his no recollection of bonfire aafter hearing it.

theres a balloon drop happening in a city near you,happy hogmanay to you and your family.
 
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