Morrissey and Wine podcast: The comeback that never happened (November 15, 2024)

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Hi everyone. On the latest episode of the Morrissey and Wine podcast, we discuss a conversation with an insider that revealed the plan for Morrissey's comeback before he split with Pete Galli, including residencies in London, New York and Los Angeles, the release of Bonfire and Without Music, a big payday for Moz and the launch of a fan club - plus more. While, in our judgement, the source is genuine, it's always important to take any information provided with a pinch of salt.

We also address our comments on the last episode where we referred to this forum as "toxic". We reflected and we feel that we could have worded things better. Almost everyone on here has been very supportive of our podcast so we shouldn't have been so lazy with our words.

Nanny Val reacts to 'Kerouac's Crack', the ten-question trivia quiz returns and the boys analyse 'I Ex-Love You'. We hope you enjoy it. Listen on your favourite podcast platform here: https://podfollow.com/morrissey-and-wine


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As far as RWC is concerned, many here said the production was well below under the par Mr Zoom from the gloom. Get a holiday man ! Or probably you never read posts.
You love to write yours ( to criticise Odbmke for instance ) but never give fresh information ! You are boring,

Yes, I don’t give updates about what my ass is up to like @TheSmiths_1985 does, sorry.
 
The Killers played This Charming Man at Glastonbury with Johnny on guitar and also Mr Brightside.



The Killers supported Morrissey a few times in April 2004


The same year he included their song, Jenny Was a Friend Of Mine, on his compilation, Songs To Save Your Life.

Not only has Morrissey actively celebrated musicians and performers who came before him but whenever he could, he used opportunities to put in a good word, and organise prominent slots, for those of promise climbing the ladder behind him.

I expected more from Brit podcaster Moz fans . Just goes to show most Brit Moz fans are as bad as the yanks now
Worse in fact , this guy is spreading total BS about Johnny and these clowns get a solo gossip on there . lol
I gave it a listen and it wasn't as bad as I'd feared it would be. I felt this 'insider' wasn't let get away with unfiltered criticisms, and the hosts expressed understanding and solidarity for Morrissey, including in their comments on Marr's reactions. But just by accepting this 'story' from a relentlessly badmouthing 'insider' must surely reduce their chances of ever attracting Morrissey onto their show.

Basically, Morrissey has decided that whatever was offered isn't what he wants. No aspersions have been cast on Pete Galli or other companies involved, as things stand. The question is, what's next.

After Sinéad O' Connor died, RIP, Morrissey noted that the music industry was often not supportive to its artists. Juan said something similar recently. Cultural commentators like Ted Gioia and Cory Doctorow have been tracking how tech platforms like Spotify and YouTube, are skimming more and more of the profits from music and returning almost nothing to the creators; just treating them like data inputters. This is an absolute race to the bottom, that musicians cannot win. Traditional record companies, unable to keep up, are being ridden roughtshod over too, and rapidly disappearing. The only solution is for artists to organise, resist and come up with new alternatives.

Recently someone on here posted a podcast with Pete Doherty of The Libertines - who also supported Morrissey, in 2002 - https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/needmoz/support-acts-for-morrissey-t2821-s60.html#p28682

Experiences with Rough Trade, and the relentless toxicity of the music press, were among items discussed, to which Morrissey is no stranger. Thinking about the struggling fate, for different reasons, of Morrissey's last few albums. starting, I think with World Peace Is None of Your Business, pulled from shops for some reason, I wonder what value the bigger record companies are really providing for Morrissey anymore. Is it possible that accepting an offer from a peer, like Doherty, who apparently now runs an indie record company, could be better on numerous layers and dimensions? Relationships with others who've encountered difficulties and hostilities, mutual clubbing together of poets and musicians, contributing to a counter movement as an alternative to the rapacious business models to the fore, and just maybe more fun?

On the podcast, uploaded here -https://louderthanwar.com/pete-doherty-the-john-robb-interview/ - Pete specifically asked host John Robb about the possibility of helping Morrissey out if he could, and how he might be reached to make the offer. That's why I bring it up. The proposal itself is, to me, like a little poem in motion of that rare thing in modern life, genuine friendship.

But that's just me. I know little about such things.

May all beings everywhere plagued with sufferings of body and mind quickly be freed from their illnesses. May those frightened cease to be afraid, and may those bound be free. May the powerless find power, and may people think of befriending each other....
- Gautama Buddha 🤝🫂🫶
 
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The Killers played This Charming Man at Glastonbury with Johnny on guitar and also Mr Brightside.


I believe Flowers would go down in the annals of music history as a giant grifting wanker if he ever presumed he could fill the shoes of Morrissey singing more than one or two Smiths songs alongside Marr. . . whether Marr billed them as The Smiths or The Killer Smiths. The only people who would embrace this sort of setup would be clueless “music fans”. And Marr would beclown himself desperate if he attempted it. It’s Marr and Morrissey, Joyce and maybe Gannon or integrity is lost. It becomes a tribute cover band minus Morrissey.
 
I believe Flowers would go down in the annals of music history as a giant grifting wanker if he ever presumed he could fill the shoes of Morrissey singing more than one or two Smiths songs alongside Marr. . . whether Marr billed them as The Smiths or The Killer Smiths. The only people who would embrace this sort of setup would be clueless “music fans”. And Marr would beclown himself desperate if he attempted it. It’s Marr and Morrissey, Joyce and maybe Gannon or integrity is lost. It becomes a tribute cover band minus Morrissey.

To be fair to Brandon Flowers, the “insider” said that the singer (unnamed) was solicited by Marr, and declined the offer.
 
Marr probably saw what The Pistols have done…

Also, if the insider info is to be believed, is it really a massive surprise that Moz has jeopardised himself again?

Morrissey could do “Moz sings The Smiths tour” but as always, he wants the whole package; The 5 nights at Wembley Stadium, The Glastonbury headliner, the documentary, the Jimmy Fallon interview.
 
To me, is just another excuse to blame Marr for some of the stuff Morrissey does. After that open letter, I wouldn't blame Marr for never want to speak to moz again. Also, why does he care so much what Marr has to say on x/twitter? I don't trust this source.
 
To me, is just another excuse to blame Marr for some of the stuff Morrissey does. After that open letter, I wouldn't blame Marr for never want to speak to moz again. Also, why does he care so much what Marr has to say on x/twitter? I don't trust this source.

I listened to the podcast and I'm confused. Why these guys didn't wonder why Johnny would say yes to the reunion that open letter in the first place? It makes no sense. The guys in the podcast sound like they are terrified of saying something slightly negative about Morrissey 😐
 
I see the Waterboys have signed to Sun for their new album.


Hope M doesn’t sign to them, even he knows it would be a little too on the nose. Anyway, not a major.
 
Hope M doesn’t sign to them, even he knows it would be a little too on the nose. Anyway, not a major.
Are you kidding? A Morrissey album emblazoned with that über classic logo would be marvelous. Bring back the lads and record the album in the old Sun studio and I’ll grow back my sideburns.
 
...the boys analyse 'I Ex-Love You'.
For what it's worth, the line "freedom wasted has never tasted so good" sort of makes sense to me if you imagine he's saying he has the freedom to continue the relationship, but is happier not to. Hence, the happy tone of the song, which is essentially about a break-up that releases him from an unhappy situation. Just my take on it, but it fits the context, I think.:unsure: Anyway, it is pleasant listening to you guys talk! Sadly, I only got 7 out of 10 on the Moz quiz too.:rolleyes:
 
For what it's worth, the line "freedom wasted has never tasted so good" sort of makes sense to me if you imagine he's saying he has the freedom to continue the relationship, but is happier not to. Hence, the happy tone of the song, which is essentially about a break-up that releases him from an unhappy situation. Just my take on it, but it fits the context, I think.:unsure: Anyway, it is pleasant listening to you guys talk! Sadly, I only got 7 out of 10 on the Moz quiz too.:rolleyes:
I heard that line as expressing ambivalence - Losing my freedom by being in a relationship with you was really fun, but I want my freedom back now. And I do still love you a bit.
The slightly comical mmm, mmm of the chorus also kind of makes it sound like he's not quite sure. I ex-love you now, but I might change my mind again. Cause, God, it was fun. Maybe we can be friends with benefits?
 
I heard that line as expressing ambivalence - Losing my freedom by being in a relationship with you was really fun, but I want my freedom back now. And I do still love you a bit.
The slightly comical mmm, mmm of the chorus also kind of makes it sound like he's not quite sure. I ex-love you now, but I might change my mind again. Cause, God, it was fun. Maybe we can be friends with benefits?
I suppose it could mean "It was good while it lasted, so let's celebrate that, at least!" Hence the jubilant nature of the song. Yeah, I could go with that...
 

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