Morrissey and Wine podcast: The comeback that never happened (November 15, 2024)

Hi everyone. On the latest episode of the Morrissey and Wine podcast, we discuss a conversation with an insider that revealed the plan for Morrissey's comeback before he split with Pete Galli, including residencies in London, New York and Los Angeles, the release of Bonfire and Without Music, a big payday for Moz and the launch of a fan club - plus more. While, in our judgement, the source is genuine, it's always important to take any information provided with a pinch of salt.

We also address our comments on the last episode where we referred to this forum as "toxic". We reflected and we feel that we could have worded things better. Almost everyone on here has been very supportive of our podcast so we shouldn't have been so lazy with our words.

Nanny Val reacts to 'Kerouac's Crack', the ten-question trivia quiz returns and the boys analyse 'I Ex-Love You'. We hope you enjoy it. Listen on your favourite podcast platform here: https://podfollow.com/morrissey-and-wine

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• Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

 

[gashonthenail]

Also, Jack was not an acid head. LSD, or drugs in general, was not a "major component" of On The Road, or any other Kerouac book. Weed, sure. Benzadryne, yes. Alcohol? Most certainly. As a narrative backdrop. But Jack's books are about people, not drugs. If you're into that crap, read Thompson. Kerouac, especially as he aged, despised hippie culture and the drug scene. He wanted nothing to do with beatniks and certainly not with the hippie scene that their culture morphed into.

That is very true. There was quite a notorious TV appearance in 1968, when an intoxicated Kerouac ridiculed the hippie movement. Although he was drunk enough to ridicule everyone and everything. He was dead 1 year after this TV appearance.

 

[goinghome]

The 'insider' sounds very like @Odbmke ?

I'm sure that's who it is, as a result of which I find myself without the appetite to sample the latest chat, for the first time. Giving more oxygen to a malicious gossip is one-sided and seems irresponsible.

 

[Multi]

I came across my download of the studio version of Rebels Without Applause for the first time in a while today and the production is terrible.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

That's what makes it incredible for me. There is no way to imagine that Johnny Marr would dare to re-form The Smiths with anyone other than Morrissey as singer. He cannot possibly be that blind to the legacy and the fans. Sure, the fair-weather freaks who thrilled to Rick Astley & Blossoms at Glastonbury would line up with ready cash, but Marr can't need money that bad, and he knows about posterity (and the critical blow-back and sellout accusations that would surely come).

Folks on here, so quick to assume that M & Marr would only be doing it entirely for the money. Of course they would be fools to do it for free. Then again, now that I think of it, Marr should have said yes to it, if say after expenses (paying the rest of the band, etc.)
the rest of it goes to a charity. Then Marr could say that he did it for charity, which would keep his hands ‘clean’.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Maybe, with the bunse involved, he floated the idea out there. But I’d rather go to a Blossoms/Astley gig than a Marr/Flowers gig.
Someone, somewhere, must be able to put Marr in touch with Astley. That’s where the money is.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I came across my download of the studio version of Rebels Without Applause for the first time in a while today and the production is terrible.

really? the production? First time hearing anyone say this.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

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INSIGHTFUL!

 

[Skylarker]

That is very true. There was quite a notorious TV appearance in 1968, when an intoxicated Kerouac ridiculed the hippie movement. Although he was drunk enough to ridicule everyone and everything. He was dead 1 year after this TV appearance.

I've watched the full unedited interview about 9273 times

 

[Multi]

really? the production? First time hearing anyone say this.

the "band" sounds thin / cobbled together and Moz's vocals are a disaster at the end.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Folks on here, so quick to assume that M & Marr would only be doing it entirely for the money. Of course they would be fools to do it for free. Then again, now that I think of it, Marr should have said yes to it, if say after expenses (paying the rest of the band, etc.)
the rest of it goes to a charity. Then Marr could say that he did it for charity, which would keep his hands ‘clean’.

Are we talking about Morrissey and Marr re-forming the Smiths, or Marr re-forming the Smiths with a different singer and doing it for charity to escape the sell-out accusation? With the latter, there wouldn't really be a point of doing it, unless Marr has a charity that he feels is worth more than the Smiths' legacy (doubtful). And he'd be one lawsuit away from being onstage with a lesser singer than Morrissey under the banner of "Johnny Marr's The Smiths." It would reek.

Most people think Noel Gallagher had to bite the bullet because he's looking at an expensive divorce. But if Noel had re-formed Oasis strictly to raise money for Sudanese child amputees, would he be forgiven if he had gotten Grian Chatten on vocals instead of Liam? I doubt it. Critics would say, "just get all your famous musician friends together and do a benefit concert for Sudan if you want to raise money. Grian Chatten fronting Oasis is not Oasis, especially while Liam is still alive."

 

[Roman Holiday]

Not sure why you would imagine anything, Marr said no and that's that.

Johnny Marr: I said no to 2025 Smiths reunion tour offer

The Smiths guitarist responds to Morrissey's claims he ignored a lucrative offer to reunite.

www.bbc.co.uk

Johnny Marr has denied former bandmate Morrissey's claims he ignored the offer of a lucrative Smiths reunion tour, adding he simply "said no".

The guitarist and co-songwriter of the Manchester band, which split in 1987, confirmed the refusal in a statement in response to a trademark row between the two.

It comes after Morrissey said he had agreed to an offer to reunite for a 2025 global tour but Marr had failed to respond.

"I didn't ignore the offer - I said no," Marr said.

Later in his statement, Marr also denied speculation that a tour is planned with a different frontman for The Smiths, saying: "There are no such plans."

Right, it's Morrissey's claim and Marr's counter-claim. One of the two is wrong, but Marr is far more believable because there's no way he wouldn't see the phoniness in re-forming the Smiths w/out Morrissey. Any "insider" repeating Morrissey's claim is dubious.

 

[BrokenFrame]

really? the production? First time hearing anyone say this.

Maybe if enough people say it Moz will find out.

 

[Seymour Glass]

These guys are annoying and a little late to the world of Moz. They should just stop already.

 

[TheSmiths_1985]

These guys are annoying and a little late to the world of Moz. They should just stop already.

They get good interviews, and one of them is easy on the eye. Not keen on Silly Aunt Sally or whatever the old girl’s name is, but they do a decent job.
If you can do better, please do.

 

[EmilyEmily]

really? the production? First time hearing anyone say this.

I have been saying this myself since I purchased it upon release. Sounds tinny. But maybe I have been listening to it through inferior speakers. If the production was supposed to reflect the artistic genius of the young Andrew Watt, it’s disappointing to me. And that’s an opinion. I’m not a music pro, so take it with a grain of salt.

But we enjoy the song at my house regardless. I prefer it live to the tinny-sounding production. Is that just me?

 

[Tampa Moz Fan]

Johnny/his management already denied this in their statement

No they didn't. Read it more closely.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

the "band" sounds thin / cobbled together and Moz's vocals are a disaster at the end.

hmmm, interesting. Is that all?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Maybe if enough people say it Moz will find out.

So you don’t think he’s heard the mix yet?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Are we talking about Morrissey and Marr re-forming the Smiths, or Marr re-forming the Smiths with a different singer and doing it for charity to escape the sell-out accusation? With the latter, there wouldn't really be a point of doing it, unless Marr has a charity that he feels is worth more than the Smiths' legacy (doubtful). And he'd be one lawsuit away from being onstage with a lesser singer than Morrissey under the banner of "Johnny Marr's The Smiths." It would reek.

Most people think Noel Gallagher had to bite the bullet because he's looking at an expensive divorce. But if Noel had re-formed Oasis strictly to raise money for Sudanese child amputees, would he be forgiven if he had gotten Grian Chatten on vocals instead of Liam? I doubt it. Critics would say, "just get all your famous musician friends together and do a benefit concert for Sudan if you want to raise money. Grian Chatten fronting Oasis is not Oasis, especially while Liam is still alive."

I was talking about The Smiths reforming ….

Folks on here, so quick to assume that M & Marr would only be doing it entirely for the money. Of course they would be fools to do it for free. Then again, now that I think of it, Marr should have said yes to it, if say after expenses (paying the rest of the band, etc.)
the rest of it goes to a charity. Then Marr could say that he did it for charity, which would keep his hands ‘clean’.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I have been saying this myself since I purchased it upon release. Sounds tinny. But maybe I have been listening to it through inferior speakers. If the production was supposed to reflect the artistic genius of the young Andrew Watt, it’s disappointing to me. And that’s an opinion. I’m not a music pro, so take it with a grain of salt.

But we enjoy the song at my house regardless. I prefer it live to the tinny-sounding production. Is that just me?

yeah, it’s probably just you. As far as I know, no one else has really had a problem with the production. It’s actually a favorite here on solo.