Morrissey Central "GLORIOUS TOUR… GLORIOUS FINALE" (November 28, 2024)

GLORIOUS TOUR… GLORIOUS FINALE

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[Anonymous]

It was quickly returned, although there is a bit of a story there.

Tell us, please?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Why do you think he’s lying?

I don’t think @Odbmke is lying.

And I don’t think the claims he’s made are entirely unbelievable. Nor is it very interesting.

BUT, if you’re going to go through the trouble of starting a thread and making such claims, then the burden of proof is on the one making those claims. And as of yet, there is no proof given by this member.

So why should anyone put trust in the information? Then they continue to go and on about it, still with no proof to back up their claims.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I don’t think @Odbmke is lying.

And I don’t think the claims he’s made are entirely unbelievable. Nor is it very interesting.

As a Morrissey fan, you don’t find these claims interesting? Really?

BUT, if you’re going to go through the trouble of starting a thread and making such claims, then the burden of proof is on the one making those claims. And as of yet, there is no proof given by this member.

Can’t these claims be interesting and plausible without evidence?

So why should anyone put trust in the information? Then they continue to go and on about it, still with no proof to back up their claims.

Why would he make these elaborate and really quite plausible claims and go on and on about them, if they were false?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I actually just quoted it a few posts back:

‘On the flip side, Marr's camp is extremely dodgy. Management reached out to a very well-known singer of a major band (you can guess who) to see if he'd tour as the lead singer of "The Smiths." Marr's management also floated the idea of Marr touring as the Smiths to UK promoters which was also rejected.‘

So Marrs management twice tried to get a tour going as The Smiths. If we believe this rumour.

This was probably the only bit that was interesting. Though how do we know that Marr even knew what his management was up to? and did Marr even give his management the green light to supposedly look for another singer?

I could be totally wrong, but it may be another
case of management getting a high profile singer in order to entice and convince Marr to actually agree to do it(?) I don’t know. It’s simply difficult for me to believe that Marr would do something like that. Again I could be wrong about Marr.

 

[Surface]

“no such plans” is different than “I didn’t explore other singers”

Maybe but a lot of people round here know Johnny pretty well and if that had been the case people would have heard about his thoughts/plans.

 

[Multi]

Maybe but a lot of people round here know Johnny pretty well and if that had been the case people would have heard about his thoughts/plans.

it also could be as simple as a mention during a brainstorming session to promote his new album.

the videos of Marr playing with the Killers are viewed favorably, and even though i am absolutely not a fan of theirs, i don’t think Marr doing a short tour playing Smiths classics with them is the most insane thing i’ve ever heard.

hell, look at Dead and Company.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

As a Morrissey fan, you don’t find these claims interesting? Really?

No, because any fan that’s been following Morrissey, would have some idea about Morrissey and his ‘working relationships’ (lol) with past managers. I think it’s safe to assume and come to the conclusion that he’s walked away plenty of times from plans like the ones described by Odbmke. So, no. Nothing to see there.

Can’t these claims be interesting and plausible without evidence?

plausible? sure. Entertaining for some? sure. But no reason to go on and on about it unless there is proof to back it up.

Why would he make these elaborate and really quite plausible claims and go on and on about them, if they were false?

I don’t know, which is why I find it all a bit sad and strange. True or not, either way I’m fine with the information. As I said, I don’t find it very interesting. Maybe if he tried to prove these claims, then that could be interesting. And I would then thank him for that kind of information.

I remember when member Erik asked him if he could share any unreleased song titles, and odbmke replied with some made up joke title ….

Post in thread 'The Guardian: "Morrissey's lyrics are untouchable, but I don't want to think about him': Lauren Mayberry's honest playlist" (October 14, 2024)'

Oct 15, 2024

If only Morrissey one day decided to flood the internet with musical content, drowning out the next 25 inevitable paint-by-numbers “Morrissey music good, man bad” stories that WE ALL KNOW are coming.

Yikes… and the mental gymnastics for these woke clowns to hold the idea that his lyrics are untouchable, yet the brain that conjures them ought to be sent to Siberia. It’s weird how people need the pop stars they fell in love with as teens, to remain that same person forever.

If only Odbmke would decide to flood Moz-Solo with some unreleased unheard song titles he knows of !

• Erik

 

[Surface]

it also could be as simple as a mention during a brainstorming session to promote his new album.

the videos of Marr playing with the Killers are viewed favorably, and even though i am absolutely not a fan of theirs, i don’t think Marr doing a short tour playing Smiths classics with them is the most insane thing i’ve ever heard.

hell, look at Dead and Company.

I saw them in Newcastle in 2009 and thought they were pretty good, especially their cover of Shadowplay, saw them again at V Fest in 2014 and they were ok but enjoyed The Stranglers, Blondie, Paul Heaton, Lily Allen, Kaiser Chiefs, Elbow and Manic Street Preachers far more. I think Gordy said that Hot Fuss was their best album and I agree with him.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

it also could be as simple as a mention during a brainstorming session to promote his new album.

the videos of Marr playing with the Killers are viewed favorably, and even though i am absolutely not a fan of theirs, i don’t think Marr doing a short tour playing Smiths classics with them is the most insane thing i’ve ever heard.

hell, look at Dead and Company.

Maybe I missed something. But I think the issue people would have with this is if Marr tried to pass it off as a Smiths reunion.

 

[Thewlis]

This was probably the only bit that was interesting. Though how do we know that Marr even knew what his management was up to? and did Marr even give his management the green light to supposedly look for another singer?

I could be totally wrong, but it may be another
case of management getting a high profile singer in order to entice and convince Marr to actually agree to do it(?) I don’t know. It’s simply difficult for me to believe that Marr would do something like that. Again I could be wrong about Marr.

Exactly. I simply cannot believe Marr would even consider touring as The Smiths with another singer. I have too much respect for Johnny to believe he would.

So either he didn’t know what his management was planning behind his back or it simply isn’t true which seems the more likely option.

 

[Multi]

Maybe I missed something. But I think the issue people would have with this is if Marr tried to pass it off as a Smiths reunion.

sure, but if something like this happened it likely would’ve ended up as “Johnny Marr and *** playing The Smiths.”

like Dead and Co instead of the Grateful Dead and the Original Misfits instead of the Misfits.

 

[Surface]

Maybe I missed something. But I think the issue people would have with this is if Marr tried to pass it off as a Smiths reunion.

I agree, don't mind him showing up anywhere for a rendition of one or two Smiths songs with his mates like Brandon, Billy Duffy etc but short a tour - no f***ing way.

 

[Odbmke]

Maybe but a lot of people round here know Johnny pretty well and if that had been the case people would have heard about his thoughts/plans.

Imagine how private you’d keep it if you were gonna float the idea of replacing Moz to uk promoters. Beyond your manager, I don’t imagine anyone would know… why would you broadcast that to your social circle?

 

[Thewlis]

Imagine how private you’d keep it if you were gonna float the idea of replacing Moz to uk promoters. Beyond your manager, I don’t imagine anyone would know… why would you broadcast that to your social circle?

Come on, it’s a ridiculous idea. No way Johnny would even consider replacing Moz.

Remember how hurt he was by the Rourke/Joyce idea of touring The Smiths or even the Blossoms/Astley thing.

 

[Multi]

Come on, it’s a ridiculous idea. No way Johnny would even consider replacing Moz.

Remember how hurt he was by the Rourke/Joyce idea of touring The Smiths or even the Blossoms/Astley thing.

as i mentioned above, it’s not that ridiculous and im sure nothing hurt Marr more than when Morrissey shunned him after they discussed playing again after drinks in 2008.

 

[Thewlis]

as i mentioned above, it’s not that ridiculous and im sure nothing hurt Marr more than when Morrissey shunned him after they discussed playing again after drinks in 2008.

At least Johnny vehemently denies any such plans and I tend to believe Johnny a little bit more than some Solo-poster.

 

[Surface]

Imagine how private you’d keep it if you were gonna float the idea of replacing Moz to uk promoters. Beyond your manager, I don’t imagine anyone would know… why would you broadcast that to your social circle?

Because people share ideas/thoughts and Bernard for example is one of his mates and Bernard knows loads of people round here.

 

[Andy W]

Imagine how private you’d keep it if you were gonna float the idea of replacing Moz to uk promoters. Beyond your manager, I don’t imagine anyone would know… why would you broadcast that to your social circle?

And so how would you even know this? What is your connection to Marr’s management?

 

[Odbmke]

Because people share ideas/thoughts and Bernard for example is one of his mates and Bernard knows loads of people round here.

Artists need promoters to put on shows… like Chris York. (See Morrissey Central post on his passing from July of this year). Without them, nothing happens. There aren’t too many promoters in London or Manchester who could/should/would handle a Morrissey-less Smiths show. If the promoters shoot down your trial balloon, well then “there are no such plans” to play without Moz. Get it?

 

[Odbmke]

And so how would you even know this? What is your connection to Marr’s management?

None. Word got back to Moz via multiple avenues.