Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

[gordyboy9]

Yes, I expect them to get it right the first time.

They are all professionals and he brags about doing this for 40 years.

I’ve spent a large part of my professional life watching bands rehearse for shows/tours/recording and the fact that they didn’t nail SHJ is an absolute joke.

you appeared from nowhere one day with all these details about contracts and fan clubs and tours and you have never proved that any of these are factually correct.

 

[Odbmke]

you appeared from nowhere one day with all these details about contracts and fan clubs and tours and you have never proved that any of these are factually correct.

That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become. Which is basically my point.

 

[Nick1234]

That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.

And yet you remain because all you need is Morrissey.

 

[Catholic]

That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.

Odbmke, for what little it is worth: I'm very grateful for all you've brought to light here and I trust your honesty.

That said, I do wonder if you might give Morrissey the benefit of the doubt sometimes?

There are things here no-one can know about, including what Marr might have said to Moz in private for instance.

I also wonder if not enough attention has been given to how horrific it may have been for Morrissey if (?) Marr was indeed thinking of resurrecting the Smiths with Brandon Flowers or whoever?

Myself, I can't help really feeling for Morrissey in all this. He needs prayer, help and understanding.

But again, I am grateful to you.

Two questions. You say you are sure Morrissey will be reading this. How do you know? Genuinely curious . . .

Also do you think there could still be any hope at all that the tour might come off, even if it takes two or three years?

 

[gordyboy9]

That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become himself. Which is basically my point.

i have enough proof,i may eventually post it,,,,,,,are you dirk blaggard in disguise with his no recollection of bonfire aafter hearing it.

theres a balloon drop happening in a city near you,happy hogmanay to you and your family.

 

[Amy]

Odbmke, for what little it is worth: I'm very grateful for all you've brought to light here and I trust your honesty.

That said, I do wonder if you might give Morrissey the benefit of the doubt sometimes?

There are things here no-one can know about, including what Marr might have said to Moz in private for instance.

I also wonder if not enough attention has been given to how horrific it may have been for Morrissey if (?) Marr was indeed thinking of resurrecting the Smiths with Brandon Flowers or whoever?

Myself, I can't help really feeling for Morrissey in all this. He needs prayer, help and understanding.

But again, I am grateful to you.

Two questions. You say you are sure Morrissey will be reading this. How do you know? Genuinely curious . . .

Also do you think there could still be any hope at all that the tour might come off, even if it takes two or three years?

He posted inaccurate and goading statements three times, solely to stir up hatred and animosity towards Johnny, on the basis of what turned out to be bad-faith assumptions and lies. Then, rather than apologise and say "I got this trademark stuff wrong", he made his management 'take the fall' and just carried on, adding personal insults in his next interview for good measure.

Is that a good man? Is that behaviour that deserves the benefit of the doubt? Not to me. I am sorry for his bitterness and obvious unhappiness, the way he can't seem to change his destructive behaviours, and the miserable mess that the past 10 years has been but he has caused so much of it himself. There is a point where you give up concocting excuses for his actions and you just have to face that he is an angry man who is terminally locked in some 'war' or other against the world, for reasons we will never fully understand.

I used to dream that Johnny would save this situation - that he'd see the depression behind M's words and 'letters' and somehow fly in on a winged horse and just 'clean it all up' and rescue Morrissey from his own mind. And then I realised that nobody can do that for another adult, ever, and that JM isn't Morrissey's mother, wife, therapist or his punching-bag when life gets a bit shit. Morrissey has crossed a line, and if Marr never speaks to him again - so be it. He is clearly sick to death of having to be 'the adult in the room', the one who deals with responsibilities whilst M fights, complains, has paranoid meltdowns and just can't seem to get his shit together in any way. It is sad, and from a distance I am sure JM feels for M and wonders what the hell is really going on in his head, but the best thing he can do is stay away.

 

[gordyboy9]

Morrissey could murder someone in the street and you’d blame me for pointing it out.

dont be a silly boy,look mr oddie if you provide the evedence i will apologise and say you were the epitome of honesty,how does that sound.
as for M murdering someone well im sure the police will look at the evidence and charge him accordingly to which he will be tried before a jury of his peers and if found guilty he will be eating vegan poridge for the rest of his days.

 

[BrokenFrame]

That has nothing to do with Morrissey being unable to perform SHJ. Nice deflection.

I have enough proof. I may eventually start posting it. Not that it matters… every day that goes by, Morrissey himself proves how incompetent he’s become. Which is basically my point.

Just post the proof.

 

[Odbmke]

Just post the proof.

What would you find acceptable? What, if produced, would make you believe that there was a deal that went away?

Because you don’t need anything from me to prove that, just look at Jesse’s statement from early August, and what’s happened since.

 

[Redacted]

@Odbmke did you say these shows were to say look at all this adoration and no record deal?

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[Redacted]

What would you find acceptable? What, if produced, would make you believe that there was a deal that went away?

Because you don’t need anything from me to prove that, just look at Jesse’s statement from early August, and what’s happened since.

Well, when proof was posted about the Miley situation people refused to believe it so I don't know why people are asking you for it

 

[Jamie]

I used to dream that Johnny would save this situation - that he'd see the depression behind M's words and 'letters' and somehow fly in on a winged horse and just 'clean it all up' and rescue Morrissey from his own mind. And then I realised that nobody can do that for another adult, ever, and that JM isn't Morrissey's mother, wife, therapist or his punching-bag when life gets a bit shit. Morrissey has crossed a line, and if Marr never speaks to him again - so be it. He is clearly sick to death of having to be 'the adult in the room', the one who deals with responsibilities whilst M fights, complains, has paranoid meltdowns and just can't seem to get his shit together in any way. It is sad, and from a distance I am sure JM feels for M and wonders what the hell is really going on in his head, but the best thing he can do is stay away.

The analogy of a divorced couple never fails to fit these two. And without getting into mucky psychologizing about it, it's not unlike a scenario where, post-divorce, one partner is very publicly and very spectacularly unstable in their actions and the other is continually having their attention drawn to their ex for reaction or comment while they're just trying to get on with their life.

I imagine a lot of this over the years:

Associate of JM's: "I suppose you've probably heard the latest controversy?"
JM's: (sighs) "What did he say now?"

After all this time, I expect him to be quite inured to it.

 

[BrokenFrame]

Well, when proof was posted about the Miley situation people refused to believe it so I don't know why people are asking you for it

I believed it, don't give this guy more excuses.