Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

[EvanC015]

Time will prove everything..

 

[Gray Fruit]

Look at the state of the whole Morrissey world - paranoia, blame-shifting, blind lashing out, rage quitting, going around in circles and not forward. Can you imagine putting this all on a global Smiths tour? No wonder Johnny said NO to this clown show.

 

[Odbmke]

Look at the state of the whole Morrissey world - paranoia, blame-shifting, blind lashing out, rage quitting, going around in circles and not forward. Can you imagine putting this all on a global Smiths tour? No wonder Johnny said NO to this clown show.

This is interesting and very valid. I wonder if had the next six months in Moz land gone well, with him getting his deals done and getting through an album/tour without any drama, if Marr would have come around to the AEG money.

 

[Odbmke]

And I don't know why you're trying so hard to not believe him when he has said that he talked to DavidT. If he's lying about talking to him too, surely DavidT, this website's owner would refute it by now. Omdke's longevity on this site makes it more believable because he seems to have talk about working in these types of company in the past (look at his past posts). Do you think he's just playing the long game all that while, just so he can con us right now?

If you're that worried about the Marr comment - which you claimed he's "making up these rumors to justify his anger at Marr", he has taken plenty of shots at Moz, moreso than Marr and seems to be (quite justifiably) more angry at Mozzer's behaviour with management. Why don't you say he's making up the rumours to justify his anger at Moz also? Or are you one of those "Morrissey is the big bad meanie one and Johhny f***in Marr has done no wrong in his entire life."

This is reasonable. I have no anger towards Marr or Morrissey. I work in the music business because of them. I would say I'm much more disappointed in Morrissey walking away from the record deal than Johnny pandering to The Guardian crowd, but it's all mixed up. From my original post:

"From my understanding of the situation Galli wanted Moz to sign the paperwork splitting the trademark with Marr 50/50, but Moz thinks he should own 100% of the Smiths trademark and won't sign it. This is most likely the issue that made them part ways. Good luck with getting 100% of the trademark Moz."

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Weird brag.

Weird, if that’s what you thought you understood from anything i typed.

Business transactions happen under NDAs.
Contractual negotiations happen under NDAs.

What do you normally hear, if you sit perfectly still, in a very, very, quiet room?
Do you just hear the sound of air whooshing through a big empty cavernous tunnel between your ears? Must be!

 

[Phranc & Open]

Weird brag.

Classic Morrissey die-hard.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Maybe the prospect of a new record deal encouraged Moz to start working on new music? Or maybe this collaboration with Carmen was part of a bigger ‘marketing’ plan to make Moz appeal to a nw generation? It’s worth noting that Carmen is also managed by Pete Galli ( as Goinghome also mentioned). Time will tell if that collaboration will continue under the current circumstances, but I see no strong case fot it (for better or worse).

I was hoping for some details from our man on the spot.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Classic Morrissey die-hard.

Try and make sense for once. Just don’t sprain anything.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Try and make sense for once. Just don’t sprain anything.

Sense? Like you and Morrissey ALWAYS? Your "Business" story revealed an unpleasant character. No thanks.

 

[Multi]

What I can't understand is how this spat with Johnny has any bearing on this prospective deal. It's totally separate and trivial in the grand scheme, surely? Why would Moz burn down such a fantastic deal - a life-raft in the storm that he has waited years for - due to a misinformed palaver that was quickly set to rights?

he answered your question earlier here:

I understand how how hard everything I wrote is hard to believe, but it’s true. A deal was got that 1) Got BOT and WMTWD released on a legendary “indie” label, but only indie in the same sense past labels Attack and Major/Minor, etc. were “Indies”. 2) Got his Quarry to Dog catalog out of BMG and 3) got Mozzer a well deserved fat payday. While this deal was being sorted (think of it like a complicated trade in baseball, involving three different teams, a lot of time, and each side doing their due diligence) the Farage/Marr crap began in the background, which got Marr into his head rent-free again. Then suddenly the fat payday wasn’t fat enough, the deal for the 2 LP’s wasn’t big enough, etc.

in light of this deal news, I stand by and reiterate my comment in response to the Telegraph article/interview:

all I'll say in response to this article is to enjoy what you can of his live shows while you've still got the chance.

 

[Odbmke]

I was hoping for some details from our man on the spot.

I have no idea if Moz is self-funding a third upcoming unreleasable album.

 

[Anonymous]

Why didn't he play that one? I tried finding out but all I saw was someone who said the night before the crowd was shitty. Was there ever a reason sorted out for that one?

There was no official explanation given, but it was passed on via the crew that it was a security issue as Morrissey was upset at multiple people heckling him over his stance on Israel and someone attempting to get backstage at the previous show. The following tour dates had very large gaps between the barrier and the stage - it might have been the case they couldn't accomodate this at the Nottingham venue. That, or Moz was just in a foul mood.

 

[Odbmke]

he answered your question earlier here:



in light of this deal news, I stand by and reiterate my comment in response to the Telegraph article/interview:

Thanks for actually reading what I wrote. The AEG/Smiths deal was also structured brilliantly by Pete. Moz agreed to it first. Think about that for a sec...

 

[Anonymous]

From my original post:

"From my understanding of the situation Galli wanted Moz to sign the paperwork splitting the trademark with Marr 50/50, but Moz thinks he should own 100% of the Smiths trademark and won't sign it. This is most likely the issue that made them part ways. Good luck with getting 100% of the trademark Moz."

Out of interest had Moz walked away from the deal before this point or did it occur after?

I ask because I'm wondering if severing ties with a manager based (rightly or wrongly) on feeling unsupported in a dispute automatically means an offer they brokered can't still be accepted if it remains on the table?

No shade on your friend but is it at all possible Moz just wants someone he's done with out of the loop?

 

[Amy]

he answered your question earlier here:



in light of this deal news, I stand by and reiterate my comment in response to the Telegraph article/interview:

I read his response, and I still think it sounds mad. Marr "got in his head" with the Farage stuff whilst other plates were spinning, so he collapses all the plates? Even for Moz, that is an extreme reaction to a minor thing, that is total self sabotage.

 

[EvanC015]

tbf, JM thinks Nigel Farage is the second coming of Hitler, therefore likely equates Moz to also be one.

Maybe it's time we just admit that both Morrissey and Marr are both a bit f***ed in the head?

 

[Ryan]

talk about making you work for a sample,just lets fans hear the sample,its not uncharted on the ps3.

yeah,i reckon,it’s really dumb innnit,

 

[Cornflakes]

tbf, JM thinks Nigel Farage is the second coming of Hitler, therefore likely equates Moz to also be one.

Maybe it's time we just admit that both Morrissey and Marr are both a bit f***ed in the head?

TBF, Farage is much too low in the hierarchy to be compared to Hitler.

 

[Multi]

I read his response, and I still think it sounds mad. Marr "got in his head" with the Farage stuff whilst other plates were spinning, so he collapses all the plates? Even for Moz, that is an extreme reaction to a minor thing, that is total self sabotage.

With Moz being the raging narcissist that he is, it makes total sense that he got greedy with the new Morrissey vs Marr press attention and tried to squeeze more lube out of the tube.

 

[The Alchemist]

Don’t forget Nottingham.