Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

[Vesper Nocturne]

Sense? Like you and Morrissey ALWAYS? Your "Business" story revealed an unpleasant character. No thanks.

Yeah ok, stuck in the 90s always complaining tax guy. Whatever you say

 

[Phranc & Open]

Yeah ok, stuck in the 90s always complaining tax guy. Whatever you say

Your behaviour here certainly doesn't help Morrissey's glorious defenders to come across more likeable. No. It just shows who his remaining die-hards are. People with ego problems, who act like John Rambo online or people who just don't want to admit that their master makes mistakes and destroys dreams. You, for sure, belong to the nastier, first kind.

 

[The Alchemist]

Noel Gallagher splits up with his wife -> Noel needs money -> Oasis reunite -> Said reunion reminds the public of a Smiths reunion -> Moz "reveals all" and says Johnny said No to a reunion -> JM posts Farage pic -> Moz spazzes out -> Media gets a hold of the drama -> Moz fires management -> All upcoming material pushed back another 5 years -> Cure releases new album in November

Cheers, Sara MacDonald.

Dunno if I'm recalling correctly, but didn't the Farage post come before Morrissey said Johnny hadn't responded to the reunion offer?

 

[billybu69]

Hilarious when they cheer so much when his coat comes off as he puts his hands in the air. Completely ridiculous.

I like the Arctic's and much of Last Shadow Puppets, but he does not have the vocal range to get anywhere near carrying off what Morrissey is capable of.

In short, I enjoyed the musical rendition of this much more than the singing.

Actually makes me wonder whether there's a market for Johnny and a band performing a setlist of 30-35 shortened Smiths instrumentals.

The crowd normally end up shouting the words anyway.

That faux American drawl is embarrassing, and unnecessary

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Your behaviour here certainly doesn't help Morrissey's glorious defenders to come across more likeable. No. It just shows who his remaining die-hards are. People with ego problems, who act like John Rambo online or people who just don't want to admit that their master makes mistakes and destroys dreams. You, for sure, belong to the nastier, first kind.

Why are you flaunting how stupid you are? It’s a mystery!

Let’s recap EXACTLY what happened, so that we can all understand EXACTLY whatever the f*** you think you're complaining about again, right now.

1. OP posted 100 pages of gossip and private information that he does not appear to be within his rights to be publicly sharing.
2. OP stated they got this information first hand, and from their direct participation on zoom calls.
3. This means OP waz part of the discussions regarding this specific business transaction.
4. This would mean that as direct party to a privileged conversation, OP and anyone else that was part of these discussions would be under NDA
5. Then I stated, that if anyone under a legally enforceable duly executed NDA with me, in my professional life's business transactions and contractual negotiations were to violate such a agreement for the sole intent of gossiping about me or about any transactions or privileged information under our NDA, they would have to deal with the expected repercussions that would come as a result of their choosing to behave in this way.
6. Then your response to this - where I said NOTHING about Morrissey in ANY way, shape, or form - was to call me a "die-hard", and to talk to me about MY "behavior". lol. good one!

Sorry, but it is not my problem how dumb you look, OR how dumb you ARE. Grow a brain, tax guy!

 

[The Alchemist]

That faux American drawl is embarrassing, and unnecessary

Yeah, an interesting one and we could probably ramble on for a while as to the reasons he decided to adopt such an approach to his singing.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Why are you flaunting how stupid you are? It’s a mystery!

Let’s recap EXACTLY what happened, so that we can all understand EXACTLY whatever the f*** you think you're complaining about again, right now.

1. OP posted 100 pages of gossip and private information that he does not appear to be within his rights to be publicly sharing.
2. OP stated they got this information first hand, and from their direct participation on zoom calls.
3. This means OP waz part of the discussions regarding this specific business transaction.
4. This would mean that as direct party to a privileged conversation, OP and anyone else that was part of these discussions would be under NDA
5. Then I stated, that if anyone under a legally enforceable duly executed NDA with me, in my professional life's business transactions and contractual negotiations were to violate such a agreement for the sole intent of gossiping about me or about any transactions or privileged information under our NDA, they would have to deal with the expected repercussions that would come as a result of their choosing to behave in this way.
6. Then your response to this - where I said NOTHING about Morrissey in ANY way, shape, or form - was to call me a "die-hard", and to talk to me about MY "behavior". lol. good one!

Sorry, but it is not my problem how dumb you look, OR how dumb you ARE. Grow a brain, tax guy!

Fine. You had to work on that one for a while but your hate tirades certainly won't turn things around. Nothing new for you. They just show how desperately some people here are trying to justify or even save their master. Whatever the cost. Come on, go on, cry even louder. We like that, sounds like "The secret of music" to our ears.

 

[goinghome]

Wouldn't the more heavily moderated online space for which you've advocated in previous threads and instances also necessarily include precisely the kind of loaded language and characterizations you've made here?

Funny how you're never concerned about the many baseless insults leveled at Morrissey.

A professional manager always keeps his quiet in a situation like this... No-one wants to hire a manager who talks out of school.

Good point, which is leading me to change my mind about the authenticity of this disclosure, or at least seriously question it.

By the way, I don't believe anything the insider says. For example, the stuff about Marr and The Smiths is completely made up and I can't believe the fan club story either. These are just two examples. I had been wondering for a while (and have often said here) what Red Light did for Morrissey? In any case, nothing was visible to the outside world, all this stuff on Insta and FB definitely came from Sam, at least it was in keeping with his style.

So Moz fans, don't lose faith. We won't have to wait as long as the fans of The Cure. It's not over yet. Morrissey will come back!

Another good point, adding to my doubts (while also liking the closing sentiment }

so you admit to some BS ? your info on the Marr camp is limited and you may be wrong, you need to edit your post , do not fecking BS about someone. "

Someone else detecting something off.

I understand how how hard everything I wrote is hard to believe,

The two week US tour of smaller cities coming up makes more sense when you realize it was meant to be starting right after dropping a new single and announcing the new LP. Now it's just going be a random two week run with no real point to it - if he does it at all.

You're coming across as negative, for someone who implies being recently part of the executive team.

Will Sam be able to find the right hard drive?

Unprofessional to, as others put it, 'cast shade' on those close to the person you apparently worked for days ago.

When you have respected managers leaking emails (Miley situation), you know it's bad. When you have M letting people think Captiol is holding an album hostage and he's quiet when people harass the CEO and start flying planes over the Capitol Tower... its bad. When his old bandmates are all playing shows without him, it's bad.

Again, unprofessional to be openly so critical so soon. How do you justify your judgemental glee without feeling a need for circumspection or duty of care in the circumstances?

Your behaviour here certainly doesn't help Morrissey's glorious defenders to come across more likeable. No. It just shows who his remaining die-hards are. People with ego problems, who act like John Rambo online or people who just don't want to admit that their master makes mistakes and destroys dreams.

A pompous example of why an alternative fan-club with some controls would be good, to make it easy for those who want to interact civilly to get on board.

He can't apologize to Perth, or the Greek, etc., but people think he could handle Twitter? His communication only goes one way

Unprofessional, isn't it? Don't you realise? Is this kind of behavior normal for record company staff?

I'm making this up, yet I'm logged into my account that I've had since the day David made accounts a thing in 2006. And you just came by as a "guest". Got it.

What standards if any are you operating by though? With active accounts on fan-clubs like these going back so many years, identifying you would be no problem for an employer. So perhaps the employer has put you up to it. Is that what's happened? Or do you lack self-discipline? What are you actually playing at? Who do you think you're helping by doing this? You're breaking all the rules of responsible official communication.

In my professional life, every single conversation I have in any 24 hour period occurs ONLY under NDA.

If some genius in any party who was in any meeting with me or on any one of my conference calls then decided that they were going to go online to revel in gossiping about any of my business transactions - whether in negotiation stage, finalized, off the table, or ANY other possible incarnation - and thought it would be fine to do so as long as they did so “anonymously”, I would have their head on a STICK by the end of the day, their job on a silver platter before the week was out, and they would be sued to within an inch of their life before they could spin around, click their heels three times, and say “Toto, I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore now!”

Right on time; valid points to add to the growing wariness. How come the insider is not restrained by an NDA or similar routine regulation? Ultimately, what did Odbmke hope to achieve by posting presumably confidential information in a public forum they have some familiarity with and where they know it might be easy to arouse reaction? Whose interests are being served here?

 

[DaveJCarr]

Funny how you're never concerned about the many baseless insults leveled at Morrissey.

I am not the one who started an entire "Hate in Moderation" thread" and claimed (without evidence) that moderators and users were being hateful/abusive, wondered why people who are critical of Morrissey were here, suggested an entire overhaul of the way the site works, complete with several links to other moderation methodologies and (in that same thread) ominously suggested that you were about to be put into a time out - which of course you were not. All of this because of your nebulous perception of "hate" directed towards you and Morrissey

I don't care about insults, baseless or otherwise. leveled at Morrissey, or any insults baseless or otherwise, levied at Marr. They're both rich old men - who are not here- and need neither my protection or fawning. They both made music that continues to enrich my life and that's more than enough.

People can be as reverent or spiteful as they want to be to both of them, or one of them That's allowable under the shingle thar David T has established.

I don't care that you think Marr a duplicitous demon - you are entitled to think that. But language like that could very easily be classified as hateful under those rubrics you shared. .

You could also be reasonably argued to be encouraging a stalker like vigilance on the suggestion that "Marr must be watched etc" . I don't mean in the sense of a criminal offense, but rather in the spirit of online safety you have articulated. All of that seems to run counter to the more rigorous moderation and online safety that you have espoused a desire to see

All of that is allowable here, but it seemed to me to be a contradiction in the concern you have raised about hate, doxing, and online conduct. That is all.

Obviously, you can continue doing you and expressing yourself, however you please egardless of the contradiction i see.

I just felt like calling attention to it, for you to respond to, ridicule, or ignore- it doesn't matter. You have the freedom of all those choices because David T et al. allow it to be so

Also, advocating for stronger moderation in places like this while also echoing Moz's claim that's he's been gagged or censored because (allegedly) no label wants to release BOT is another contradiction.

So Morrissey must have absolute freedom of expression to release his music on prestige labels, even if that means conscripting those labels and eliminating their own freedom of speech through compulsory releases? Their ability to "moderate" (if you will) the artistic speech that they wish to refrain from publishing on their label (for whichever reason(s) they choose) disappears.

But if it's Morrissey: because his art is of such importance. his truths so eternal, his integrity so unimpeachable, that all of those all concerns fall away. Surely his fate can only be the. fault of an industry wide conspiracy to backstab him, and former bandmates out to get him!

 

[Ryan]

Time will prove everything..

Truer words cannot be said. And they were indeed said by you-know-who.

Will be interesting to look back at this debacle in a decade.

 

[The Alchemist]

Truer words cannot be said. And they were indeed said by you-know-who.

Will be interesting to look back at this debacle in a decade.

He also said time was no friend of his though.

 

[Ryan]

He also said time was no friend of his though.

Ever the contrarian.

 

[The Alchemist]

Ever the contrarian.

In my opinion, his contrary nature has been a calculated and carefully applied formula, specifically designed to form part of a wider persona that is in actual fact extremely rigid - and not without its significant pitfalls.

 

[Redacted]

Why are you flaunting how stupid you are? It’s a mystery!

Let’s recap EXACTLY what happened, so that we can all understand EXACTLY whatever the f*** you think you're complaining about again, right now.

1. OP posted 100 pages of gossip and private information that he does not appear to be within his rights to be publicly sharing.
2. OP stated they got this information first hand, and from their direct participation on zoom calls.
3. This means OP waz part of the discussions regarding this specific business transaction.
4. This would mean that as direct party to a privileged conversation, OP and anyone else that was part of these discussions would be under NDA
5. Then I stated, that if anyone under a legally enforceable duly executed NDA with me, in my professional life's business transactions and contractual negotiations were to violate such a agreement for the sole intent of gossiping about me or about any transactions or privileged information under our NDA, they would have to deal with the expected repercussions that would come as a result of their choosing to behave in this way.
6. Then your response to this - where I said NOTHING about Morrissey in ANY way, shape, or form - was to call me a "die-hard", and to talk to me about MY "behavior". lol. good one!

Sorry, but it is not my problem how dumb you look, OR how dumb you ARE. Grow a brain, tax guy!

Give it a rest. you have no idea if this person is under an NDA or not and your pretend I AM OH SO IMPORTANT "business experience" and what a badass you would be if you caught someone violating your pretend NDA is completely irrelevant, like you.
Feel free to drone on about the thing I never said about my own legal billing, because your reading comprenhension is just impeccable

 

[Redacted]

Funny how you're never concerned about the many baseless insults leveled at Morrissey.


Good point, which is leading me to change my mind about the authenticity of this disclosure, or at least seriously question it.


Another good point, adding to my doubts (while also liking the closing sentiment }


Someone else detecting something off.


You're coming across as negative, for someone who implies being recently part of the executive team.

Unprofessional to, as others put it, 'cast shade' on those close to the person you apparently worked for days ago.

Again, unprofessional to be openly so critical so soon. How do you justify your judgemental glee without feeling a need for circumspection or duty of care in the circumstances?

A pompous example of why an alternative fan-club with some controls would be good, to make it easy for those who want to interact civilly to get on board.

Unprofessional, isn't it? Don't you realise? Is this kind of behavior normal for record company staff?

What standards if any are you operating by though? With active accounts on fan-clubs like these going back so many years, identifying you would be no problem for an employer. So perhaps the employer has put you up to it. Is that what's happened? Or do you lack self-discipline? What are you actually playing at? Who do you think you're helping by doing this? You're breaking all the rules of responsible official communication.


Right on time; valid points to add to the growing wariness. How come the insider is not restrained by an NDA or similar routine regulation? Ultimately, what did Odbmke hope to achieve by posting presumably confidential information in a public forum they have some familiarity with and where they know it might be easy to arouse reaction? Whose interests are being served here?

Another idiot. Assuming there was an NDA, none of you know what what it said or seem to know what would invalidate an NDA. There is not just ONE NDA everyone uses and there are a lot of exceptions which would allow someone to disclose information.

 

[Cornflakes]

and just imagine if Noel and wife never split up. Talk about a butterfly effect!

What if Johnny had never popped by to borrow a plectrum that time Noel was out of the house?

 

[Odbmke]

Why are you flaunting how stupid you are? It’s a mystery!

Let’s recap EXACTLY what happened, so that we can all understand EXACTLY whatever the f*** you think you're complaining about again, right now.

1. OP posted 100 pages of gossip and private information that he does not appear to be within his rights to be publicly sharing.
2. OP stated they got this information first hand, and from their direct participation on zoom calls.
3. This means OP waz part of the discussions regarding this specific business transaction.
4. This would mean that as direct party to a privileged conversation, OP and anyone else that was part of these discussions would be under NDA
5. Then I stated, that if anyone under a legally enforceable duly executed NDA with me, in my professional life's business transactions and contractual negotiations were to violate such a agreement for the sole intent of gossiping about me or about any transactions or privileged information under our NDA, they would have to deal with the expected repercussions that would come as a result of their choosing to behave in this way.
6. Then your response to this - where I said NOTHING about Morrissey in ANY way, shape, or form - was to call me a "die-hard", and to talk to me about MY "behavior". lol. good one!

Sorry, but it is not my problem how dumb you look, OR how dumb you ARE. Grow a brain, tax guy!

OP wonders if you are OK

 

[Redacted]

Marr seems to be behaving like a demon.

Yet you're the one who seems to need the exorcism.

 

[Anonymous]

Yet you're the one who seems to need the exorcism.

Seriously, what demon offers his ex-partner 50%?

 

[Redacted]

Seriously, what demon offers his ex-partner 50%?

Yes, it's very demonish, if I was a demon I would do that exact thing