Questlove Supreme / YouTube: Johnny Marr interview; Smiths mentions throughout

Questlove talks to Marr for 1.5 hours - reminiscing & Smiths mentions throughout.
FWD.

 

[new musings]

I can send you the link. But on that one Marr is a villan, although they love Moz.

if there is a site then it must be very quiet because all his fans are on here.

You understood the assignment

 

[Anonymous]

if there is a site then it must be very quiet because all his fans are on here.

The one on Facebook is pretty big, but if you say one bad thing about Marr you’ll get banned. Very tightly moderated, the opposite of this forum.

 

[gordyboy9]

The one on Facebook is pretty big, but if you say one bad thing about Marr you’ll get banned. Very tightly moderated, the opposite of this forum.

can believe it,saint john should have been in the untouchables with sean connery and kevin costner.

 

[Anonymous]

The one on Facebook is pretty big, but if you say one bad thing about Marr you’ll get banned.

I suppose you could call it the Marr's bar.

 

[Redacted]

I think when Morrissey ghosted Johnny in 2008, that might have been the real end of it. Johnny seemed optimistic and happy they were talking and Morrissey just went silent.
Re Open Letter, I think Morrissey's words are coming back to bite hard, esp the part where he tells Johnny that he must take responsibilty for his own choices and own career.
At the time of Open Letter, I was totally Team Morrissey because I thought Johnny had been disparaging him too much in the press. But Johnny has stopped doing that and now it's just so hypocritical that Morrissey would make this new offer public and take a swipe at Johnny while doing it.
There are some things you cannot come back from. Morrissey has shown Johnny that he is still the same needy, vindictive person Johnny left 40 years ago. Why would he go back? I have kind of wondered what Johnny feels, if anything, that Morrissey has now agreed after Andy has died. Johnny is friendly with Mike now. So much has changed.

 

[Dorothy]

I think when Morrissey ghosted Johnny in 2008, that might have been the real end of it. Johnny seemed optimistic and happy they were talking and Morrissey just went silent.
Re Open Letter, I think Morrissey's words are coming back to bite hard, esp the part where he tells Johnny that he must take responsibilty for his own choices and own career.
At the time of Open Letter, I was totally Team Morrissey because I thought Johnny had been disparaging him too much in the press. But Johnny has stopped doing that and now it's just so hypocritical that Morrissey would make this new offer public and take a swipe at Johnny while doing it.
There are some things you cannot come back from. Morrissey has shown Johnny that he is still the same needy, vindictive person Johnny left 40 years ago. Why would he go back? I have kind of wondered what Johnny feels, if anything, that Morrissey has now agreed after Andy has died. Johnny is friendly with Mike now. So much has changed.

Ooh Johnny Johnny Ooh
You're not the first though it hurts, Johnny Johnny Ooh...
Paddy Mcaloon (1986)

 

[Anonymous]

Ooh Johnny Johnny Ooh
You're not the first though it hurts, Johnny Johnny Ooh...
Paddy Mcaloon (1986)

There was a show in 1985 where Prefab Sprout dedicated this to Johnny and Angie Marr who were in the audience.

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

sorry team, didn't see that someone had posted the Marr podcast above. I guess it shows I don't read comments much. LOL
I think it is a shame what has happened to M. I fecking love the dude but so much of what he has done lately has been desperate we are talking 10 years of it, at least
I was one of those who thought M should have got back with Marr in 2008 ,Since 2008 things got from bad to worse, so that could have been a game changer. The only real excitement M has caused in that time has been his autobiography. I am not fecking knocking M, I am trying to be objective I personally liked all his LPs , apart from the covers one, which was over-produced and a fecking snore-fest. It seemed a cynical move

I understand why M said no though and I respect him for it, It showed he wasn't all about the fecking dosh, he saw how special The Smiths were and wanted to move forward
The trouble is by telling us he wanted to tour as Smiths and make money, he has just nuked the one special thing he had left, the not being a "sell out" and cashing in on nostalgia, not like the others, the "media whores "
Us fans have the worst of most worlds now, we not only do not have M and Marr working together but we now have to accept that M was ready to cash in his chips like every other Motherfecker

I think in 2008 , Johnny saw he could make money, get Moz back on track and do something special. Both M and Marr are proud of The Smiths and wouldn't want to feck with the quality.
I think they both have love and respect for each other deep down. I think Marr just thinks M is just too toxic these days. I think he worked out, it would just be a media nightmare, most interviews would mention M's political views and the public would not consider it the special event, they would of in 2008. I would love to see them back together, but me and the rest of us on here, are not everyday people. We are Moz and The Smiths freaks.
Going public about The Smiths 2025, seems like a fecking bad move to me, one he seemed to make just to have a pop at Marr. Unless he did it, so the fans would get Marr to accept the offer from promoters

 

[Gray Fruit]

sorry team, didn't see that someone had posted the Marr podcast above. I guess it shows I don't read comments much. LOL
I think it is a shame what has happened to M. I fecking love the dude but so much of what he has done lately has been desperate we are talking 10 years of it, at least
I was one of those who thought M should have got back with Marr in 2008 ,Since 2008 things got from bad to worse, so that could have been a game changer. The only real excitement M has caused in that time has been his autobiography. I am not fecking knocking M, I am trying to be objective I personally liked all his LPs , apart from the covers one, which was over-produced and a fecking snore-fest. It seemed a cynical move

I understand why M said no though and I respect him for it, It showed he wasn't all about the fecking dosh, he saw how special The Smiths were and wanted to move forward
The trouble is by telling us he wanted to tour as Smiths and make money, he has just nuked the one special thing he had left, the not being a "sell out" and cashing in on nostalgia, not like the others, the "media whores "
Us fans have the worst of most worlds now, we not only do not have M and Marr working together but we now have to accept that M was ready to cash in his chips like every other Motherfecker

I think in 2008 , Johnny saw he could make money, get Moz back on track and do something special. Both M and Marr are proud of The Smiths and wouldn't want to feck with the quality.
I think they both have love and respect for each other deep down. I think Marr just thinks M is just too toxic these days. I think he worked out, it would just be a media nightmare, most interviews would mention M's political views and the public would not consider it the special event, they would of in 2008. I would love to see them back together, but me and the rest of us on here, are not everyday people. We are Moz and The Smiths freaks.
Going public about The Smiths 2025, seems like a fecking bad move to me, one he seemed to make just to have a pop at Marr. Unless he did it, so the fans would get Marr to accept the offer from promoters

Per usual, this announcement has completely backfired on him. Instead of people sympathizing with him and clamoring for a Smiths reunion, it has resulted in articles like the following on a Facebook page with 1.9 million followers. He has definitely gone about things the wrong way.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Interesting. Didn’t see AEG releasing that information. So I wonder where Consequence got that figure, or did they just lie and make it up to be hateful?


What’s more interesting is the earlier Consequence fb post, that got different replies…

 

[Jamie]

Joe Moss apparently once advised Johnny to make sure that he would be the first to leave the band, advice that basically translates to 'Look after number one'; Johnny always has.

Well, to be fair, JM and others on the inside have gone on the record that M made his going forward with the Smiths untenable by mid-1987. JM was responsible for a lot of the nitty-gritty day-to-day BTS of the group. He was essentially their de facto manager any time M fired someone on top of being the guitarist, co-songwriter, producer and band leader. That's a lot more than your average 22-year-old deals with. I don't think he himself expected to leave as he did but he was a very burnt-out young man and the mixed signals from M - in conjunction with the knives of the music press - got him to jump.

Most bands are lucky to get five good years - the exceptions are extremely rare and the most notable ones (e.g. the Beatles) are often in some state of turmoil away from the public eye. I don't think the personalities/styles involved in the Smiths were made to be superstars. By innate design, they were never going to ascend to the level of U2 or R.E.M. in the Warner Brothers years. The peaks of M's solo career are a pretty good roadmap - flashes of commercial clout while being the eternal outsider for the majority.

 

[SteveWS]

Well, to be fair, JM and others on the inside have gone on the record that M made his going forward with the Smiths untenable by mid-1987. JM was responsible for a lot of the nitty-gritty day-to-day BTS of the group. He was essentially their de facto manager any time M fired someone on top of being the guitarist, co-songwriter, producer and band leader. That's a lot more than your average 22-year-old deals with. I don't think he himself expected to leave as he did but he was a very burnt-out young man and the mixed signals from M - in conjunction with the knives of the music press - got him to jump.

Most bands are lucky to get five good years - the exceptions are extremely rare and the most notable ones (e.g. the Beatles) are often in some state of turmoil away from the public eye. I don't think the personalities/styles involved in the Smiths were made to be superstars. By innate design, they were never going to ascend to the level of U2 or R.E.M. in the Warner Brothers years. The peaks of M's solo career are a pretty good roadmap - flashes of commercial clout while being the eternal outsider for the majority.

Oh yeah, I agree. I think Johnny's patience and understanding was exhausted as well.

 

[Amy]

Per usual, this announcement has completely backfired on him. Instead of people sympathizing with him and clamoring for a Smiths reunion, it has resulted in articles like the following on a Facebook page with 1.9 million followers. He has definitely gone about things the wrong way.

They've pulled that figure right out of their arse, haven't they?

 

[Anonymous]

They've pulled that figure right out of their arse, haven't they?

It's about making the joke. It’s apparently half of what Oasis is expected to make from their tour. Not too farfetched.

 

[Redacted]

That Nick Lowe and Elvis Costello stuff is just wild

 

[eugenius]

I'm not really saying that Johnny lacks those things; just that, I feel, he has often been self-serving as Morrissey undoubtedly has.

When we consider all the possible elements in this near-'chess game' between the two in the court of public opinion - something that has practically gone on since the split - then we should surely be aware that this whole reunion business isn't really about the proffered money or even the awkward politics: instead, it's arguably a matter of reputations, statuses, personalities, psychologies and personal pride.

I've always felt this, but you put it in words very well. I think we're watching something between a chess game, a Mexican standoff, and a chicken match.

If I was a gambler, I'd wager El Jefe said he'd reform knowing that Johnny wouldn't take the bait. And even if both agreed to it, the reunion wouldn't make it past the first week of rehearsals anyway.

And while I'm on the subject, I don't see the Gallaghers making it to their first gig either. The one who just lost half his empire to divorce needs the bread, but he doesn't need it that bad.

 

[BrummieBoy]

...trying to carve out the time to finish listening to this...opening segments are brilliant

 

[SteveWS]

Got to laugh at the slanted clickbait of some article headlines; they're practically like:

'Victorian stage villain Morrissey cruelly shatters the hearts of his sobbing orphan fans'

or...

'Mean man Marr destroys the dreams of the innocent, just for a laugh'

 

[gashonthenail]

It's an interesting interview. Johnny always talks intelligently about music and composition. Comes across well - as he did all those years ago in The South Bank Show documentary. But the only time Johnny did anything 'great' was in The Smiths. Everything else he has done has been 'ok'. I would imagine though that the 'everything else he has done' has been much more lucrative for him, movie soundtracks and all that. I can't blame him at all for 'moving on' and not wanting to go back to a working relationship that clearly became toxic towards the end. I would imagine he and Angie are very comfortable and don't need the money that was offered.
Questlove did a great job putting together Summer of Soul - about the 1969 Harlem Cultural Festival. Do check it out if you haven't watched it. Some amazing footage from the event.

 

[Was I ever any good]

Just listened to this.
JM ain’t very good at history, stating that, the Industrial Revolution started in 1840 in Manchester