Morrissey Central "NOVEMBER USA" (August 12, 2024)

NOVEMBER USA

Morrissey would like it to be known that contrary to statements used by various ticket outlets/events calendars/venues, Morrissey has absolutely no say in concert ticket prices, and is not apprised of ticket regulations/rules. Neither is Morrissey consulted on any form of 'special tickets'.
Good luck!

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[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I'm pretty sure Mick Jagger has a little more input than what you outlined, on his little Rolling Stones tours.

I’m sure Mick gets paid what he wants, but so do the promoters.

 

[Js138]

Morrissey sets an all-inclusive fee, middle-man promoters decide if they want to book him in their region at that fee, then the promoters secure venues and determine ticket prices.

Morrissey then performs the show (ideally ) for his fee + merch sales.

Promoter then pays the venue and associated costs (security, promotion, ticketing, etc.). Hopefully the promoter makes some money after they've paid out all expenses.

This is how concert promotion works. Morrissey doesn't sit around pondering what he should charge for lower balcony left tickets at the Boise Community Theatre.

This is the closest to the truth I’ve seen in this thread.

For those who want real insight read the post I quoted and below

Morrissey’s management comes to him and says “we think we can you $______ for a series of shows”. From there M and his management finalize a price range that will continue to fluctuate depending on the markets. His booking agency then finds local concert promoters to take on the concert package for that pre-determined price set by his management.

This is the important part - Let’s say a promoter decides to take on the show for $50,000. Morrissey’s getting paid that regardless if it sells out or nobody shows up - it’s called a “guarantee” in layman’s terms. Once the promoter agrees to that amount, it’s now on the promoter to do whatever with the show to make sure they pay Morrissey $50,000 or it comes out of the promoters pocket.

At the point that a local promoter is involved, the promoter can decide to put it a 5,000 seat venue $120 a ticket or in a 10,000 seat venue for $60 a ticket. Keep in mind, the promoter has financial incentive to drive up prices too. All they have to do is pay Morrissey his $50,000 and pay the venue/production. Anything after that is the promoters to keep. Let’s say a $30 ticket price covers all costs for the night - if the promoter thinks people are willing to pay $60 per ticket - they can do that.

I am telling your right now - Morrissey and 95% of all artists are NOT involved past the point of setting a general profitability range with their management. From there the artist is largely ignorant. Also, Morrissey’s management and booking agency all take a cut too. So the more profitable these shows are, the more everyone makes.

Comparing Morrissey to The Cure in this retrospect is a bit unfair. The Cure doesn’t tour as much, and they’re basically indie rock Metallica. There’s a massive amount of money behind The Cure and in some aspects the bigger you are the more say you have because everyone involved knows their making stupid money regardless.

Yes in theory, Morrissey could catch wind of his $200 ticket prices and say “we need to change that” but it’s possible with the current negotiated rates with his management, his booking agency, Livenation/Ticketmaster, publicist, that his hand is being forced and there’s not much he can do about it.

There’s a reason why Livenation/Ticketmaster are being federally investigated. They also own a majority of the nations venues and you won’t be able to play there unless you setup shows exclusively through them.

Morrissey isn’t the villain here.

 

[No 27]

He really doesn’t like using current photos of himself does he?

It's not difficult to see why.

 

[gordyboy9]

reading that article taylor swift collects 85% of ticket prices,this is a billion dollar tour no wonder shes always smiling and can give the truck drivers on her tour a $100,000 bonus.

on a sidenote,when a star wars film is in the cinema every penny of the ticket price goes to disney used to be lucasfilm,cinemas make money from food.

 

[JerryCan]

reading that article taylor swift collects 85% of ticket prices,this is a billion dollar tour no wonder shes always smiling and can give the truck drivers on her tour a $100,000 bonus.

on a sidenote,when a star wars film is in the cinema every penny of the ticket price goes disney used to be lucasfilm,cinemas make money from food.

Yes I think TS has perfected the business model for the industry. I remember hearing how she's managed a great workaround for albums hung up by bad contracts etc - rerecording updated versions making the originals redundant.
Now and then bands/stars would claim to have the best deals in place. Makes a change from the exploitation stories. Hope she doesn't have evil parents or something lurking in the wings.

 

[gordyboy9]

Yes I think TS has perfected the business model for the industry. I remember hearing how she's managed a great workaround for albums hung up by bad contracts etc - rerecording updated versions making the originals redundant.
Now and then bands/stars would claim to have the best deals in place. Makes a change from the exploitation stories. Hope she doesn't have evil parents or something lurking in the wings.

agree but they will work her into the ground,she just did 3 dates in edinburgh which is an amazing city and i bet she never left her hotel room,you can become too famous,i certainly wouldnt fancy it.

 

[Js138]

Yes I think TS has perfected the business model for the industry. I remember hearing how she's managed a great workaround for albums hung up by bad contracts etc - rerecording updated versions making the originals redundant.
Now and then bands/stars would claim to have the best deals in place. Makes a change from the exploitation stories. Hope she doesn't have evil parents or something lurking in the wings.

She’s no doubt done well for herself but that’s because there’s so much money to go around. I guarantee the vultures will bleed her next run even more at the expense of the fan.

 

[Seymour Glass]

But TS sucks, so who gives a f***?

 

[Harsh Truth]

I'm pretty sure Mick Jagger has a little more input than what you outlined, on his little Rolling Stones tours.

But why would he want to? As long as the Stones are paid their fee (which is obviously many times that of Morrissey's) and get their merch sales, why does Mick care about the details of who pays what in a huge stadium?

 

[blister92]

I took this notice as a positive, somewhat in the Robert Smith/Cure vain. I thought Moz was trying to do well with these shows, but then comes out with a rebuttal no one asked for:

The artist wants to give fans, not scalpers, the best chance to buy tickets at face value. To help achieve this, the tour will be using Ticketmaster’s Face Value Exchange where, if needed, you can resell your ticket to other fans at the original price paid. To help protect the Exchange, Morrissey has also chosen to make tickets for this tour mobile only and restricted from transfer.* Please note, a valid bank account or debit card within the country of your event is required to sell on the Face Value Exchange. *New York, Illinois, Colorado, Virginia, Utah and Connecticut have passed state laws requiring unlimited ticket resale and limiting artists’ ability to determine how their tickets are resold. To adhere to local law, tickets in these states will not be restricted from transfer but the artist encourages fans to use the Face Value Exchange.

 

[Anonymous]

This is the closest to the truth I’ve seen in this thread.

For those who want real insight read the post I quoted and below

Morrissey’s management comes to him and says “we think we can you $______ for a series of shows”. From there M and his management finalize a price range that will continue to fluctuate depending on the markets. His booking agency then finds local concert promoters to take on the concert package for that pre-determined price set by his management.

This is the important part - Let’s say a promoter decides to take on the show for $50,000. Morrissey’s getting paid that regardless if it sells out or nobody shows up - it’s called a “guarantee” in layman’s terms. Once the promoter agrees to that amount, it’s now on the promoter to do whatever with the show to make sure they pay Morrissey $50,000 or it comes out of the promoters pocket.

At the point that a local promoter is involved, the promoter can decide to put it a 5,000 seat venue $120 a ticket or in a 10,000 seat venue for $60 a ticket. Keep in mind, the promoter has financial incentive to drive up prices too. All they have to do is pay Morrissey his $50,000 and pay the venue/production. Anything after that is the promoters to keep. Let’s say a $30 ticket price covers all costs for the night - if the promoter thinks people are willing to pay $60 per ticket - they can do that.

I am telling your right now - Morrissey and 95% of all artists are NOT involved past the point of setting a general profitability range with their management. From there the artist is largely ignorant. Also, Morrissey’s management and booking agency all take a cut too. So the more profitable these shows are, the more everyone makes.

Comparing Morrissey to The Cure in this retrospect is a bit unfair. The Cure doesn’t tour as much, and they’re basically indie rock Metallica. There’s a massive amount of money behind The Cure and in some aspects the bigger you are the more say you have because everyone involved knows their making stupid money regardless.

Yes in theory, Morrissey could catch wind of his $200 ticket prices and say “we need to change that” but it’s possible with the current negotiated rates with his management, his booking agency, Livenation/Ticketmaster, publicist, that his hand is being forced and there’s not much he can do about it.

There’s a reason why Livenation/Ticketmaster are being federally investigated. They also own a majority of the nations venues and you won’t be able to play there unless you setup shows exclusively through them.

Morrissey isn’t the villain here.

Thank You.
Agree MOZ is not the villain. Just wondering when I paid over $400 for a pit ticket for Dallas on Ticketmaster where does that money go? What I mean to say does the artist get an extra cut for the somewhat exorbitant platinum tickets?

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

I see what you did there.

 

[BrummieBoy]

You've really shot your last bollock off with that water pistol snipe, son...

Last night in Middlesbrough was beyond euphoric. If you want to see what Adoration is like, catch Naseebo Lal in Glasgow, the final show... I can't because I'm here in Denmark near Esjberg Harbour for Teddy Swims visitation on Saturday night...


...people were showering Naseebo with £10, £20 notes last night in addition to the extravagant ticket price. She knows her own worth, owns being a Diva and doesn't ludicrously blather about being a rebel Outsider - although she's possibly one of the most rebellious woman in music. You fcukin try being a feminist Sufi in Pakistan’s music scene then compare it to Steven's utter charlatan circus freak show...

I was the only white person at her shows in Birmingham, Manchester and Middlesbrough... She noticed... I suspect I'm all over Pakistani Tik-Tok after doing a wee jig or two. Oh well...I m going to be the most famous person in musical history once I croak so...there we go...


If Morrissey could induce-seduce his audience to shower him with dollars, pounds and euros I might be impressed but...the music is still shite Dad rock nonsense...I'm a Qawwali devotional Sufi kinda guy...always was...

Peaky Punjabi-Pashtun-Kashmiri Blinder from Small Heath etcetera...


...you mention the Goddess Taylor Swift...

It's interesting to me that ISIS-Taleban-Boko Haram are obsessed with slaughtering Sufi women like Naseebo Lal, Abida Parveen and Taylor Swift...as events in Vienna showed...but Islamofascist terrorists couldn't give a shit about Morrissey's hypocritical bollocks about the slaughter of innocents at Ariana Grande's sublime seance in Manchester. Why? Because he's irrelevant...


He's a fcukin wanker. Briefly referenced Kadim Al Sahir to try to refute yet more allegations of racism, did a pastiche of Led Zeppelin's 'Kashmir' but called it 'Istanbul' then never mentioned Kadim again - because the Iraqi genius refused a duet with the insipid Steven Pratrick...ffs...give me strength...

...then to top it all the fcukin numpty eejit turns up in Rome acting like he owns it... Cardinal Keith Patrick O'Brien asked me why he was hanging around the Vatican suddenly. I said "fcuk if I know...just ignore the Manc kunt...he's a knobhead..."

Salaam Shalom Pax Vobiscum Agnus Dei

BrummieBoy
Kolding
Jutland
Denmark

'brummie we know your loyalty is with taylor swift these days,nothing wrong with that.
its all about the money,could be a skinny post.
see your going to see naseebo lal tonight,wonde...zzzz'

 

[BrummieBoy]

It's not difficult to see why.

...why is Morrissey ashamed-disgusted by the ageing process?...that's a perfect photo because it shows him as he actually looks...ffs...there's only one thing worse than getting old: not getting old...he's wasted his life chasing fame and pretending to be suicidal in 5* hotels...fcukin bellend...

 

[gordyboy9]

You've really shot your last bollock off with that water pistol snipe, son...

Last night in Middlesbrough was beyond euphoric. If you want to see what Adoration is like, catch Naseebo Lal in Glasgow, the final show... I can't because I'm here in Denmark near Esjberg Harbour for Teddy Swims visitation on Saturday night...


...people were showering Naseebo with £10, £20 notes last night in addition to the extravagant ticket price. She knows her own worth, owns being a Diva and doesn't ludicrously blather about being a rebel Outsider - although she's possibly one of the most rebellious woman in music. You fcukin try being a feminist Sufi in Pakistan’s music scene then compare it to Steven's utter charlatan circus freak show...

I was the only white person at her shows in Birmingham, Manchester and Middlesbrough... She noticed... I suspect I'm all over Pakistani Tik-Tok after doing a wee jig or two. Oh well...I m going to be the most famous person in musical history once I croak so...there we go...


If Morrissey could induce-seduce his audience to shower him with dollars, pounds and euros I might be impressed but...the music is still shite Dad rock nonsense...I'm a Qawwali devotional Sufi kinda guy...always was...

Peaky Punjabi-Pashtun-Kashmiri Blinder from Small Heath etcetera...


...you mention the Goddess Taylor Swift...

It's interesting to me that ISIS-Taleban-Boko Haram are obsessed with slaughtering Sufi women like Naseebo Lal, Abida Parveen and Taylor Swift...as events in Vienna showed...but Islamofascist terrorists couldn't give a shit about Morrissey's hypocritical bollocks about the slaughter of innocents at Ariana Grande's sublime seance in Manchester. Why? Because he's irrelevant...


He's a fcukin wanker. Briefly referenced Kadim Al Sahir to try to refute yet more allegations of racism, did a pastiche of Led Zeppelin's 'Kashmir' but called it 'Istanbul' then never mentioned Kadim again - because the Iraqi genius refused a duet with the insipid Steven Pratrick...ffs...give me strength...

...then to top it all the fcukin numpty eejit turns up in Rome acting like he owns it... Cardinal Keith Patrick O'Brien asked me why he was hanging around the Vatican suddenly. I said "fcuk if I know...just ignore the Manc kunt...he's a knobhead..."

Salaam Shalom Pax Vobiscum Agnus Dei

BrummieBoy
Kolding
Jutland
Denmark

'brummie we know your loyalty is with taylor swift these days,nothing wrong with that.
its all about the money,could be a skinny post.
see your going to see naseebo lal tonight,wonde...zzzz'

well that was a rant and a half,maybe you should stick to taylor swift.
why were people giving her 10 and 20 quid notes,did she not make enough from the ticket sales.
as for going to see her in glasgow,if she has charisma and stage presence like the world has never seen then surely it should be sold out by now.

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

NOVEMBER USA

Morrissey would like it to be known that contrary to statements used by various ticket outlets/events calendars/venues, Morrissey has absolutely no say in concert ticket prices, and is not apprised of ticket regulations/rules. Neither is Morrissey consulted on any form of 'special tickets'.
Good luck!

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Fecking loved this from M
The Smiths were such a special band, and what was so special is it meant as much to the band as the fans. M gave so much of himself to the Smiths.
Morrissey the pop star is more worldly than The Smiths, yet the Smiths are both more universal and more specific to the British working class. They really did speak to a lot us in a deep way.
Even if you are not an old git like me, who was there at the start of The Smiths and followed them up and down the country, even if you are only 14 years old today, it doesn't matter. To love The Smiths, is to Love The Smiths, they are timeless
It's obvious The Smiths have always meant a lot to M, even when he tried to put them behind him, he knew in many ways that the band had the best of him. His relationship with Johnny is something he never really had with any other band member. You can tell he thinks of Johnny as an equal but there is no way on Earth he thinks Boz and AW and Jesee are. This is what makes me fecking laugh when you get fecking clowns saying AW and Jesse are as good as Johnny and they think because M bicthed about Johnny, it means he hates him (so being cult types they must fecking hate Johnny too) To know M, isn't to trust everything he says as his true feelings, its about reading between the lines. Which is part of the fecking fun.

I would love to see M do his own blog once every month or so, coming out with this stuff. I much prefer it when he is sharing positive feelings, Rather than punching the air in a vodka rant It must be odd, being a 64 year old man, watching yourself on the TV from the 80s. It must be like watching a strange family member, it's him and its also not him. That feeling can drive you crazy if you let it. It seems M is at peace with this kind of thing though.

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

Handsome man

 

[MoneyChangesEverything]

Do we genuinely believe Morrissey can't influence the prices of tickets with his name on? It's more like, as we have seen from The Cure, that Morrissey cannot be bothered to care.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

You've really shot your last bollock off with that water pistol snipe, son...

Last night in Middlesbrough was beyond euphoric. If you want to see what Adoration is like, catch Naseebo Lal in Glasgow, the final show... I can't because I'm here in Denmark near Esjberg Harbour for Teddy Swims visitation on Saturday night...


...people were showering Naseebo with £10, £20 notes last night in addition to the extravagant ticket price. She knows her own worth, owns being a Diva and doesn't ludicrously blather about being a rebel Outsider - although she's possibly one of the most rebellious woman in music. You fcukin try being a feminist Sufi in Pakistan’s music scene then compare it to Steven's utter charlatan circus freak show...

I was the only white person at her shows in Birmingham, Manchester and Middlesbrough... She noticed... I suspect I'm all over Pakistani Tik-Tok after doing a wee jig or two. Oh well...I m going to be the most famous person in musical history once I croak so...there we go...


If Morrissey could induce-seduce his audience to shower him with dollars, pounds and euros I might be impressed but...the music is still shite Dad rock nonsense...I'm a Qawwali devotional Sufi kinda guy...always was...

Peaky Punjabi-Pashtun-Kashmiri Blinder from Small Heath etcetera...


...you mention the Goddess Taylor Swift...

It's interesting to me that ISIS-Taleban-Boko Haram are obsessed with slaughtering Sufi women like Naseebo Lal, Abida Parveen and Taylor Swift...as events in Vienna showed...but Islamofascist terrorists couldn't give a shit about Morrissey's hypocritical bollocks about the slaughter of innocents at Ariana Grande's sublime seance in Manchester. Why? Because he's irrelevant...


He's a fcukin wanker. Briefly referenced Kadim Al Sahir to try to refute yet more allegations of racism, did a pastiche of Led Zeppelin's 'Kashmir' but called it 'Istanbul' then never mentioned Kadim again - because the Iraqi genius refused a duet with the insipid Steven Pratrick...ffs...give me strength...

...then to top it all the fcukin numpty eejit turns up in Rome acting like he owns it... Cardinal Keith Patrick O'Brien asked me why he was hanging around the Vatican suddenly. I said "fcuk if I know...just ignore the Manc kunt...he's a knobhead..."

Salaam Shalom Pax Vobiscum Agnus Dei

BrummieBoy
Kolding
Jutland
Denmark

'brummie we know your loyalty is with taylor swift these days,nothing wrong with that.
its all about the money,could be a skinny post.
see your going to see naseebo lal tonight,wonde...zzzz'

Brummers McScrummers if you’ve ever been to Middlesbrough i am gonna need you to record a vocaroo of this whole thing for posterity like you’re actually from Middlesbrough. I think you can basically just forget how to speak proper English, then come over all rough and ready and DEFINITELY tack on an “…….AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!” at the end of every single sentence. You will pass muster!

 

[goinghome]

Apple's also putting the squeeze on artists, pitting them against their clientele - https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/15/private-law/

With the election due, things are bound to get lively in America come November. Hopefully somehow it'll all work out great.