Morrissey interview + Polaroid photo in German Spiegel magazine

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

Johnny Barleycorn said:
We are all here because at some point, perhaps even up to and including yesterday, his music has moved us.

In some ways he is a victim of his own success. He has attracted highly intelligent people throughout his career, because he has often produced highly intelligent material. Attracting bright people to you means also that they’ll tend to pull him up on his bullshit when it occurs.

Look, after all the stuff yesterday over the new album and its more controversial aspects he’s not handing down the Sermon on the Mount here. These are not alms charitably gifted to a grateful world. It’s a commercial endeavour designed in no small part to provide the artist in question with the money and attention he desires. Good for him, but there are other costs involved, one of which is criticism. Clearly, even from the comments in this latest interview he simply does not believe in the concept of bad publicity. Fine, but he should therefore learn to express himself in a more precise manner.

We live in a world where the British Conservative Prime Minister is a liberal, the American President is a property tycoon, the Chinese leader is positioning himself to become de facto Emperor, the Russian Premier is a KGB agent and the Pope is a Marxist, but Morrissey decides to inform us there’s no intrinsic difference between an American GI landing on Omaha beach and the Waffen SS cutting him down as he does so? Do me a favour.

'Fine, but he should therefore learn to express himself in a more precise manner.'

yes, too true. And google translate doesn't help either.

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

DrStatham said:
I don't think it's necessarily real Germans vs fake Germans. I think it's just that he has seen and grown up with a German culture that he liked, and is seeing people moving in and changing the culture, making all culture one big homogeneous thing. Now everyone feels that to a degree imo, but the thing is most of us realise that that doesn't matter because refugees need our help, and so it is stupid and, yes, problematic to suggest we should put culture ahead of people's lives.

'problematic to suggest we should put culture ahead of people's lives'

YES.

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

ACTON said:
You sound fairly fickle. It's a good album. 'Home is a question mark', 'Jacky', 'Spent the day', 'When you open your legs', and 'Israel' sound especially great to me. I think the new album is his best since Ringlicker.

At what point do you define fickle? Because Morrissey has been drawing lines in the sand for a few years now, and then stepping past them. I've stopped seeing friends in real life because of similar opinions. So I can understand why some people would find his statements off-putting and unacceptable.

I'm interested in seeing where he goes next, but I also fear that the time may come when his beliefs are so far from mine that he becomes a stranger to me, and the things I valued about him and his art are dead to me. I would hate that, because I was once asked what he could do that would make me stop listening, and I drew the line at pulling a Gary Glitter. I didn't expect that a hard turn into far right politics would make me queasy.

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

countthree said:
Talking about Weinstein, apart from the complete lack of ethics in using your job to get casual sex with people whose livehood and career depend on you

(like fishing in a bathtub), which by itself diminishes the sexual consent, imagine yourself being a woman locked in a room with someone who managed to get you there under false pretenses and having to say no to a man who doubles your size. Did he warn those women they were going there to give him massages, oral sex or anything sexually related? Obviously no, because most of them wouln't have assisted to the meeting. He acted like a hunter preparing a trap for his preys.

If this were a true democratic and equalitarian society, free of covered by the law sexual explotation, Weinstein and Spacey would be in jail. Clin ton and Tru mp, too.

M is not condoning sexual assault and states that clearly in answers to two of the questions.

I think he is just stating and not justify it as a good thing, that people both male and female will use their sexuality to manipulate in order to further their careers. No breaking news there.

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

g23 said:
At what point do you define fickle? Because Morrissey has been drawing lines in the sand for a few years now, and then stepping past them. I've stopped seeing friends in real life because of similar opinions. So I can understand why some people would find his statements off-putting and unacceptable.

I'm interested in seeing where he goes next, but I also fear that the time may come when his beliefs are so far from mine that he becomes a stranger to me, and the things I valued about him and his art are dead to me. I would hate that, because I was once asked what he could do that would make me stop listening, and I drew the line at pulling a Gary Glitter. I didn't expect that a hard turn into far right politics would make me queasy.

'I didn't expect that a hard turn into far right politics would make me queasy.'

yes, like him supporting Ross Perot and Bernie Sanders, and saying in LOTL '"We never have Anne Sexton or James Baldwin types running the country. They'd make far too much sense."

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
M is not condoning sexual assault and states that clearly in answers to two of the questions.

I think he is just stating and not justify it as a good thing, that people both male and female will use their sexuality to manipulate in order to further their careers. No breaking news there.

He's not condoning it, but he isn't not blaming the victim, either, which does make me step back a bit.
It reeks of "She shouldn't have worn that outfit if she didn't want it. She was asking for it."
I would like to see a better translation, but that's a mentality I cannot abide, if that is the case.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Moz is trying to get you thick skulled twats to learn common sense. Of course Germany is the rape capital or the world,who would fck argue otherwise, women there cant go jogging in shorts, and Syrian refugees are NOT Germans. The are Syrian. :crazy:

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
'I didn't expect that a hard turn into far right politics would make me queasy.'

yes, like him supporting Ross Perot and Bernie Sanders, and saying in LOTL '"We never have Anne Sexton or James Baldwin types running the country. They'd make far too much sense."

He swings like a pendulum. I don't know that he is far right or just utterly confused and picking at politics like a fat kid at a buffet, taking a little bit of everything.

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Moz is trying to get you thick skulled twats to learn common sense. Of course Germany is the rape capital or the world,who would fck argue otherwise, women there cant go jogging in shorts, and Syrian refugees are NOT Germans. The are Syrian.

Yes, of course it's Berlin. Gimme a f***ing break.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Steven is a seeming mega-perv. It is one thing to defend the activities of groupies and musicians in the 1970s (many groupies are, indeed, "bone collectors", hot-to-trot and highly masculinized chicks collecting hot stories, fulfilled fantasies and...genital cankers. Such is life). But to defend legendary boyhunter Kevin Spacey? That's just the Sodomite Society gathering their musky wagons. Fourteen year olds are SO geeky. Let's face it: there are men AND women who want to "turn out" a kid. There must be some evil sensory payoff. Who knows? But Kevin Spacey is just so gross. Kevin has looked the part of the warped, horny, sinister old queen for years. The sensitive yet deadly Steven of old would have made mincemeat of Kevin Spacey for being an avatar of elite indulgence and predation. But no more! Because, it seems, Steven's personal life seems, via hint and lyrical suggestion, to be rather sleazy. What a DRAG

You sound rather titillated by it all and clearly know the facts of Spacey's and Moz's predilections better than anyone. Often what we find 'disgusting' speaks to the deepest and darkest fantasies of the id. Which explains why the Sunday papers are full of sexual impropriety and underage sex. It sells.

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

g23 said:
He's not condoning it, but he isn't not blaming the victim, either, which does make me step back a bit.
It reeks of "She shouldn't have worn that outfit if she didn't want it. She was asking for it."
I would like to see a better translation, but that's a mentality I cannot abide, if that is the case.

In that case IF he was saying that, then he would be wrong.

Again, I think he's merely pointing out that both sexes do use their sexuality to manipulate to further their careers, he's not condoning it or the outcomes that can unfortunately ensue. Lets not forget he is well-versed in feminist literature once mentioning Molly Haskell's 'From Reverence to Rape'.

Uncleskinny · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Moz is trying to get you thick skulled twats to learn common sense. Of course Germany is the rape capital or the world,who would fck argue otherwise, women there cant go jogging in shorts, and Syrian refugees are NOT Germans. The are Syrian.

Like all racists, you are an uneducated goon who can't spell. Nice to see someone call you out on your bullshit directly below your post. Well played again, G23.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

BrummieBoy said:
Via Google translate....some seriously nutso stuff here...

Whether the Briton Steven Patrick Morrissey, 58, who calls himself as a musician only Morrissey , now Genius or Schrat, self-starring or choleric poet, will probably never be clarified. Certainly the man from Manchester, who became famous in the eighties as a singer of the pop band The Smiths, a great eccentric of pop. Whether concert or interview, he maintains the pose of the diva. The meeting took place on the occasion of his new album "Low in High School" in Los Angeles; It was arranged at very short notice and then postponed several times, domination gestures want to be maintained. After all, Morrissey is ready to talk. However, the photographer is referred by one of his managers rude of the room: "Get out of my hotel!" The Polaroid photo was taken by the interviewer.

SPIEGEL: Mr Morrissey, in your new song "Spent the Day in Bed", you recommend that you no longer see any news. A serious proposal?

Morrissey: Yes. People should stop doing so for their own sanity. You have to stop. The news is just social engineering, and it's about control, not information. There are no more messages. Only control.

SPIEGEL: That sounds like Trump's fake news, but you just spoke out against Trump at a concert.

Morrissey: Trump has received so much attention, especially when compared to other candidates - Bernie Sanders, for example. Although the media said he will not win, every day, all the headlines: Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump! The American media helped Trump, yes, they first created it. Whether they criticize him or laugh at him, he does not care, he just wants to see his picture and his name. The American media have shot themselves in the leg. Since he was in power, he has exhausted the world. He grabs after everything like a little child. He is not a leader. He is a vermin. A huge vermin.

SPIEGEL: Do you think that he will be re-elected?

Morrissey: I never expected him to be elected. I was also in LA during the attacks on the World Trade Center, and the city stood still. DEI humans were rigid with shock. No cars on the streets. It was the same atmosphere as the announcement of Trump's election. It was as if the world ended httte. Re-election? Maybe, I have no faith in the political elite anymore.

SPIEGEL: If there was a button here and if you pressed on it, Trump fell over dead - would you press it or not?

Morrissey: Wow for the safety of mankind. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion of his face or his family, but in the interest of humanity, I would like to speak.

SPIEGEL: From a German point of view, there were two events last year, of which people believe they would not enter. Trump and Brexit. But Brexit is your name, is that true?

Morrissey: That IS NOT TRUE. The outcome of the Brexit referendum fascinates me because it was a victory for democracy. The people said yes. Although Westminster said no. DEI political elite and the establishment have said no. No, no, no, we stay in the EU. And the public has ignored the media and decided for themselves, that's why Brexit is important to SEHr. He has been the greatest democratic victory in British history for many, many years. Whether or not Brexit is good is another matter, but I was very stubborn about the British ignoring the BBC, ignoring Sky News, who always said: If we leave the EU, we'll all die.

SPIEGEL: Is the song "Jacky's Only Happy When She's Up on the Stage" actually a pro-Brexit song? It is said that Jacky stands for the Union Jack.

Morrissey: That IS the idiocy I have to live with. DEI journalists claim I would say something WHAT I DO NOT SAY. The song IS NOT political. That IS absolute nonsense, and they never apologize to mi. They just want to be negative.

SPIEGEL: Another song from the new album is called "The Girl from Tel-Aviv Who Would not Kneel", the girl who never kneels.

Morrissey: I love this city. The REST OF THE WORLD does not like Israel well. But the people THERE ARE GROOVY and friendly. MAN should never judge ONE PEOPLE AFTER his government. It is rare for the government to reflect the wishes of the people. Certainly not in England. Certainly not in America. Probably not in Germany.

SPIEGEL: What do you think about the anti-Israeli BDS movement? So in particular of artists who do not appear in Israel for political reasons?

Morrissey: I AM against it. When I play in Russia, I do not sing Fxr Putin. I sing for the people there. It is absurd and narrow-minded. Being politically correct IS incorrect. It IS absurd. It means forbidding the freedom of speech. This is how the BDS movement sounds to me.

SPIEGEL: You've been campaigning for animal rights for ten years. If it were in your hands, what would you change?

Morrissey: I would ban the slaughterhouse. I have never been in my life choosing. I have never cast my vote for any political party. I raise my voice for the party abolishing the slaughterhouse. Animals should be born free and live their lives. They should not be born slaves. I do not understand why anyone thinks animals deserve to be hacked. If you allow the slaughterhouse to continue, you say: The Holocaust is great. Auschwit though fantastic. Let us continue. It is exactly the same. If you do not believe me, go to a slaughterhouse.

SPIEGEL: Since we're here in Hollywood, have you followed the debates on Harvey S`qs`q, Kevin Spacey, and #MeToo?

Morrissey: Up to a point, yes BUT then it became a play. All at once ALL owe. Anyone who has ever said to someone else, "I like you," is suddenly being charged with sexual harassment. You have to put these things into the right relations. If I can not tell anyone that I like him, how would he ever know? Of course, there are extreme cases, rape is disgusting, any physical attack is repugnant. But we have to SEE it in proportion. Otherwise, every person on this planet is guilty. We can not decide permanently from above, WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT. Because then we are ALL in the trap. Some people are already awkward when it comes to romance. They do not know what to do and then their behavior is aggressive.

SPIEGEL: What do you think of Spacey, one of the main characters in a movie, replacing her with the launch date?

Morrissey: I think that's ridiculous. As far as I know, he was in a bedroom with a 14-year-old. Kevin Spacey was 26, boy 14. One wonders where the boy's parents were. One wonders if the boy did not know what would happen. I do not know about you but in my youth I have never been in situations like this. Never. I was always aware of what could happen. When you are in somebody's bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead to. That's why it does not sound very credible to me. It seems to me that Spacey has been unnecessarily attacked.

SPIEGEL: Is this also supposed to apply to the actresses who went to the hotel room with S'qs`q?

Morrissey: People know exactly what's going on. And they play along. Afterwards, they feel embarrassed or disliked. And then they turn it around and say: I was attacked, I was surprised, I was shattered into THE room. But if everything went well, and if it had given them a great career, they would not talk about it. I hate rape. I hate attacks. I hate sexual situations that are forced on someone. But in many cases one looks at the circumstances and thinks that the person who is considered a victim is merely disappointed. Throughout the history of music and rock 'n' roll there have been musicians who slept with their groupies. If you go through history, almost everyone is guilty of sleeping with minors. Why not throw everyone in jail at the same time?

SPIEGEL: David Bowie has deflowered a 15-year-old, according to the person concerned.

Morrissey: That was absolutely normal back then ...

SPIEGEL: Have you ever been in such a situation?

Morrissey: No. SPIEGEL: Neither on one side or the other?

Morrissey: No. Never, never, never.

SPIEGEL: Is provocation an important element of your art?

Morrissey: What is provocation? Stimulation?

SPIEGEL: Do you say some of the more provocative things just to stand against certain currents in the current general world view? "Political life is falling apart everywhere - in a sense, that makes me happy."

Morrissey: Yes, I mean, you have to open the debate. Just as one should not boycott Israel. You have to sit down and listen to people. You can not say I'm not listening, you're not in my opinion, BLSor are you wrong. This IS also the problem with a large part of the British press. They like to talk to me BUT then they print an interview in which they do not write WHAT I said. That's wrong, because it's my moral point of view, not theirs. Provocation is too strong a word, but I'm in plain language.

SPIEGEL: What's the last lie about you?

Morrissey: That "Jacky" would be a song about Brexit. But that's the British press. This is the "Loony Left", the crazy left, they are so extreme. They are in between like the "Third Reich". They can not be influenced, and one MUST have no other opinion Mier. It's VERY boring, and it's pretty dangerous. DEI people today are obsessed with where they are politically. They are narrow-minded. Be it the right ODE the left. I'm not political, I'm apolitical, but I'm a human being that exists in the world today. Everything we do has to do with politics. But as I said, I've never voted for any party in my life.

SPIEGEL: Yeah, that's what you said.

Morrissey: Theresa May IS absurd. Donald Trump IS absurd. They have no sense of how to lead people. When they talk about ODE you know YOU have no idea about it. Theresa May has no idea WHAT she SHOULD do. It's very sad . he political life is falling apart all over the world. In a sense, I am pleased that because already the idea of President and Prime Minister mi appears extremely old-fashioned. The idea that a single person, be it a father or a mother, saves us from all evil, is quite absurd.

SPIEGEL: You mean, the world is just going through puberty?

Morrissey: Yes! DEI people are sorry for the establishment. ALL are tired. We do not believe anyone else. We do not believe in the old power structures anymore. DEI poor stay ARM no matter WHAT happens. DEI Militarization THE world is outdated, IT is not working. So when we see political figures modeled after political figures of the fifties, with ties, beautiful shoes, and good suits, it's an old-fashioned principle. That's not how the world is. There are always more people like me in the world,

What is the role of music in this constellation?

Morrissey: Music IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. The key to survival. Music is now being censored, IT is controlled so that IT IS ONLY entertainment. Trot zdem will all those who have something to say, find a way, the z utun. Music is our one and only friend.

SPIEGEL: What do you think about the situation in Germany?

Morrissey: Every second I've ever spent in Germany was a privilege. Germany was a friend. I'm not very enthusiastic about the EU BUT that's not important. But I do not want to be part of a German empire. And I do not think England should be part of a German empire.

SPIEGEL: You think the EU is a German Empire? Morrissey: Yes. And so many people think. Maybe that's why people voted for Brexit. England could not make any more decisions without turning to Germany.

SPIEGEL: So you think Angela Merkel is the mother of Europe?

Morrissey: Nunsie is smart enough not to say much. She stays silent, which is very interesting. but I'm sad that Berlin has become the rape capital.

SPIEGEL: The what? Capital of the Rape?

Morrissey: Yes, yes1 Because of the open borders. Many people think it was a mistake of Angela Merkel, that she said in the beginning: "Come, come all here!" And then: "Yikes, yikes, but not!"
SPIEGEL: So you are against to take on fugitives?

Morrissey: Okay, let's talk about multiculturalism. I want THAT Germany is German. I want France to be French. If you try to make everything multicultural, you will not have any culture at the end of your meal. ALL European countries have fought for their identity for many, many years. And now they just throw it away. I think that's sad.

MIRROR: But they live in the US, which came into being in their current form because people came from everywhere.

Morrissey: Every single country has its history of revolutions and liberation. Other countries do not have your story. It is not easy to connect THAT. When people immigrate, they bring their religion and their customs with them and try to establish them. And there begins the confusion.

SPIEGEL: So you say everyone should stay where he is?

Morrissey: (laughs loudly) No. But I think every country should keep its identity. Millions of people have died for German identity. If you think you deserve respect, then you must protect your country. MIRROR: Mr. Morrissey, we thank you for this interview.

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/morri...nd-merkels-fluechtlingspolitik-a-1178545.html

LOL the "loony left". Skinny must be checking his carpet for green fibers LOL. what a great interview.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
You sound rather titillated by it all and clearly know the facts of Spacey's and Moz's predilections better than anyone. Often what we find 'disgusting' speaks to the deepest and darkest fantasies of the id. Which explains why the Sunday papers are full of sexual impropriety and underage sex. It sells.

Sorry, you first year Freudian fellator and your flimsy received wisdom, "shaven caves" aren't my idea of a spicy Friday night, I assure you.

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

g23 said:
He swings like a pendulum. I don't know that he is far right or just utterly confused and picking at politics like a fat kid at a buffet, taking a little bit of everything.

think he would fall under the category of an artist/a human being that feels too much and so doesn't make much sense to ordinary 'logical' 'just the facts please' folks. 'Plain text' and politics are not his forte but still, with heart on his sleeve he seems to be barreling through head first. Very dangerous and brave his form of self sabotage.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

My guess is the rape capital is somewhere in Africa. That statement and the Kevin Spacey argument was really troubling to me. Mainly because the willful exaggeration of the facts in Berlin case did seem to show some nasty cultural bias. His spacey defense was honestly the most troubling. I can understand the idea of thinking some of the whole me too campaign is to getting blown out of proportion but his defense or questioning of the incident with spacey treats the kid like he was an adult. Even if morrisseys possible scenario is true is doesn’t matter when hes 14

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

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KetchupBum is in the house !
Everything Stevo will now be explained and will all make perfect sense.
Watch and learn people :rofl:

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countthree · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
M is not condoning sexual assault and states that clearly in answers to two of the questions.

I think he is just stating and not justify it as a good thing, that people both male and female will use their sexuality to manipulate in order to further their careers. No breaking news there.

Of course KS, I'm sure about it, he's against all kinds of violence. And using sex to get career advancementes is old news, just as you say. The problem is the lack of consent of both parties in the trade, which transforms the sexual situation in a violent event, either physically or morally.

Anyway, if it's true that someone was disappointed that means the other person didn't comply with the agreement, which is very delicate when it comes to illegal businesses like sex trade. Weinstein's events didn't happen during casual sexual encounters, they had place during job meetings where he was the boss. There's and old saying: don't poop where you eat. The problem is that some people don't have a life outside of their workplace.

BrummieBoy · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Because Irish and British cultures are very similar to begin with, and thanks to the historical interplay between our two countries (both for good and ill), we're fairly well intertwined already. There isn't an issue of Irish ghettos in British cities, filled with people who don't speak English and want their own laws. Go to Birmingham (for example) and you'll find huge areas of the city where there is no 'integration' - it's like a foreign country.

I come from Birmingham. Which 'ghettos' are you talking about? There are areas which are now largely populated by Muslim immigrants but they are still multi-cultural! The cultures of Kasmiris, Syrians and Somalis can only be totalised by a simplistic person who fixates on the fact that they largely share a common religion. English language proficiency is a generational issue. Recent immigrants/refugees may struggle but their children won't. Mind you, some people think Brummie's can't speak English anyway.

I know Muslim folk in Birmingham. You are absolutely wrong to assume that they can't/don't want to 'integrate'. But are you talking about 'integration' or 'assimilation'? ISIS would exterminate most of the Muslims in Birmingham as 'non-compliant'. Why do you think Muslims come to live in Birmingham? The weather?......Racists used to fret that immigrants from the Caribbean were unable to 'integrate'. Now their contribution to British cultural diversity is recognised and celebrated. Birmingham as a 'foreign country' ? Fox news got there first and the reaction from Muslim Brummies was....well, as you'd expect!!!

BrummieBoy · Nov 18, 2017

Hey Morrissey! Don't fret. This one's a slow-burn but your trolling may yet result in the media fire-storm you want/need to boost insipid sales of your latest car-crash of an album...

Morrissey has some stupid shit to say about sexual assault and more

These days, it should be generally accepted that getting Morrissey’s take on current events is a bad idea for everyone involved, since he usually ends up saying something bad and we’re all left to try and parse his weird political takes. So, it should be wholly unsurprising that a recent interview Morrissey gave to German news outlet Spiegel Online features him saying some gloomy stuff about Donald Trump, walking back his pro-Brexit stance a bit, and then suggesting that Kevin Spacey has been “unnecessarily attacked.” In other words: Hold on, Morrissey fans, because this one’s a ride.

https://www.avclub.com/morrissey-has-some-stupid-shit-to-say-about-sexual-assa-1820574028

http://www.huffingtonpost.de/2017/11/18/morrissey-spiegel-deutschland-merkel-_n_18586666.html

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