Morrissey interview + Polaroid photo in German Spiegel magazine

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
I'm not condoning Spacey's actions here and it is every adults responsibility to know what is right and what is wrong.
From reading the posts in this thread some people seem to be misinformed about what actually happened. I already posted a link to the Vulture article and so here I'm posting excerpts and a link for the full article on Rapp's story of his friendship and sexual relationship with Spacey.

'When the accuser was 14, Spacey gave him his phone number and asked him to come to his apartment. “He said he’d always been really drawn to me at the acting classes, but had stayed away because I was 12,” the man recalled. He alleged that they “started a sexual relationship that first visit, which mostly involved me f--king him.”

They met three or four times after that, proclaiming that they “loved each other,” he said. Spacey allegedly also promised the teenager that producers were interested in him as an actor and said he wanted to get him auditions. None of that ever came to fruition.

The relationship continued until the man was 15, ending after a visit during which Spacey allegedly tried to rape him. “I thought we were going to kiss and tell each other we loved each other and I was going to go,” he said. “But he wanted to have sex, and this time he wanted to f--k me, which had never happened to me before.”

Here’s how he described the alleged attempted rape to Vulture:

I guess he must have come up behind me and yanked down my baggy jeans, and he goes to f--k me and I’m like, “No, I don’t want to.” And he pushes hard, and grabs me, and starts shoving up against my asshole, and it hurts like a motherf--ker. I again tell him no, and he tries again. I am strong enough, thank God, both somewhere in my brain and in my body, to get him off of me. I’m sturdy, thankfully. I throw him off of me and I run crying down the stairs and out into the street and then suck it all up and go have dinner.'

excerpts from https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/kevin-spacey-attempted-rape-allegations

Youre conflating two different allegations Ketamine. The allegation Moz is referring to (and the posts) is the allegation that Spacey made a clumsy come on to the 14 year old Anthony Rapp. The allegation you are referring to is a clearly much more serious allegation made by an anonymous person (now aged 48) that no doubt the police will investigate. Moz makes it clear in the article that anything of the nature described by this anonymous acuser he would completely repudiate - as anyone would.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
'When the accuser was 14, Spacey gave him his phone number and asked him to come to his apartment. “He said he’d always been really drawn to me at the acting classes, but had stayed away because I was 12,” the man recalled. He alleged that they “started a sexual relationship that first visit, which mostly involved me f--king him.”

So this kid had been happily f***ing Spacey on multiple occasions but only claims he was 'assaulted' when Spacey wanted to do the same to him? Obviously with the age difference, it should not have been happening at all, but that doesn't exactly portray him as an innocent kid who Spacey pounced on.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
'1. Morrissey thinks eating animals is the same as the Holocaust.'
don't think he said exactly that.

Oh, come on - he has made this comparison numerous times:
"If you believe in the abattoir (slaughterhouse) then you would support Auschwitz. There’s no difference."
http://jspacenews.com/rocker-morrissey-compares-eating-meat-supporting-auschwitz-pedophilia/

Shyness 1s nice · Nov 18, 2017

ninetimesfined said:
I agree with what Morrissey says about Brexit. Whether the outcome is good or bad it was a rare instance of democracy actually working. The then-administration even threatened WW3. The BBC, Sky News and all of the other outlets broadcast totally biased stories - the establishment blacked out any sort of Leave sentiment. He’s not really ever said that he’s pro British EU exit just that it was a rare instance where the people held the power. Morrissey is not a racist he’s a socialist. He’s not anti immigration either. Julian Cope holds very similar views and he’s regarded
as a massive lefty.

"He’s not really ever said that he’s pro British EU exit" Yes he has actually -

I’d hang on to sterling, yet withdraw from the Europe Fan Club, and I’d plough the wasteful cost of being euro back into the NHS; I’d stop foreign aid because we’ve been nice enough in that department, and I’d allow the British people to hold on to their own money.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2013/01/morrissey-i-nearly-voted-ukip

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Youre conflating two different allegations Ketamine. The allegation Moz is referring to (and the posts) is the allegation that Spacey made a clumsy come on to the 14 year old Anthony Rapp. The allegation you are referring to is a clearly much more serious allegation made by an anonymous person (now aged 48) that no doubt the police will investigate. Moz makes it clear in the article that anything of the nature described by this anonymous acuser he would completely repudiate - as anyone would.

Yes you are right. I will now delete my post, I misread the article.

the article I posted is not about Anthony Rapp. Sorry from my mistake and thank you for correcting me.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

When I honestly can't tell the difference between a Moz interview, and an interview with Richard Spencer or Tommy Robertson, I am done. Peace out Moz!

ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
So this kid had been happily f***ing Spacey on multiple occasions but only claims he was 'assaulted' when Spacey wanted to do the same to him? Obviously with the age difference, it should not have been happening at all, but that doesn't exactly portray him as an innocent kid who Spacey pounced on.

to make clear, in my post you are replying to it is not about Anthony Rapp but about an unnamed accuser.

'but that doesn't exactly portray him as an innocent kid who Spacey pounced on.'

yes it doesn't.

'Obviously with the age difference, it should not have been happening at all,'

yes true. And at any age... no means no.

'however we dress, however we go, yes means yes, and no means no'

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ZOOM FROM GLOOM · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Oh, come on - he has made this comparison numerous times:
"If you believe in the abattoir (slaughterhouse) then you would support Auschwitz. There’s no difference."
http://jspacenews.com/rocker-morrissey-compares-eating-meat-supporting-auschwitz-pedophilia/

yes, but we should not generalize his statements. And one should be directed toward links in order for the reader (who may not know who M is) to get a better understanding of why he is saying this or that.

Orson Swells · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
'1. Morrissey thinks eating animals is the same as the Holocaust.'

don't think he said exactly that.

'2. Morrissey thinks that trying to f*** a 14 year old is no big deal, and wants to blame the parents instead.'

he never said he 'thinks that trying to f*** a 14 year old is no big deal', sorry he did not say that. And he does not blame the parents, he does seem to question the responsibilities of the parents. And he does question the 14 year old's judgment based on his own awareness at the age of 14. Though it's easy to read his answer as him saying that it was Rapp's fault for being there in the first place, I don't read his answer as him saying that, I do read it as him saying that he at 14 years of age would have had more sense not to put himself in that same situation. He is not condoning Spacey's actions. But then again it does look bad if in his answer he does not condemn Spacey's actions. But does he or anyone really need to? I think he assumes as we all do that that statement goes without having to be said.

'3. Morrissey thinks that aggressive sexual advances that occur in someone's bedroom when those advances are declined, is their own fault.'

he did not say that. He is pointing out that people of both sexes use their sexuality to manipulate in order to further their careers. And I think we can all agree that that is not only wrong, but can in itself go wrong.

'4. Morrissey thinks that Germany is the rape capital of the world because of immigrants.'

I have no idea where he or people are getting this information from to come to that conclusion. I do think he bites off more than he can chew when it comes to politics. But, freedom of speech and all that.

'5. Morrissey thinks music artists f***ing 15 year olds in the past was normal. '

He does not say he thinks that it was normal. He is saying it was normal to the 'artists' to do that at that time, not right or wrong, just unfortunately the accepted norm to those 'artists' at that time.

I agree with your reading. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that some people here are either astonishingly stupid or are deliberately misconstruing everything Morrissey's says for their own agenda. I suppose it could be a combination of both, of course.

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

The question is why o why he wants to answer this type of questions.
Kate Bush when she's interviewed talks about art, painting, emotions, what moves her, relates anecdoctes about the recording. Why does he not do this ?

There ain't any story telling to promote Low in High School, apart those 2 Hollywood Bowl sold out gigs and this trail of political interviews that can only be acceptable for Fox News TV viewers and The Sun readers

countthree · Nov 18, 2017

This is an interesting article about Spacey. Personally, most of times I can't separate both things even when I try, as in the case of Louis CK. But it seems most people can do it.

http://www.redbrick.me/comment/pop-culture/can-separate-art-artist-response-kevin-spacey-scandal/

Orson Swells · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
The question is why o why he wants to answer this type of questions.
Kate Bush when she's interviewed talks about art, painting, emotions, what moves her, relates anecdoctes about the recording. Why does he not do this ?

Kate Bush is as right wing as they come these days.

Orson Swells · Nov 18, 2017

Thank God that Oscar Wilde never did anything scandalous in his day - imagine what we would all think of him now if he had?

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

countthree said:
This is an interesting article about Spacey. Personally, most of times I can't separate both things even when I try, as in the case of Louis CK. But it seems most people can do it.

http://www.redbrick.me/comment/pop-culture/can-separate-art-artist-response-kevin-spacey-scandal/

Thanks for posting. This article is spot on.

Deleted member 24049 · Nov 18, 2017

God. Damn. It. Morrissey.

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

Anonymous said:
Wonderslist LOL WtF why not cite twitter? LOL
Well Fck, if you, Skinny and "wonderlist" says so it must be true. Id like you to put you and Skinny in Daisy Dukes and force job around certain choice areas in Berlin LOL

Everybody knows that Africa leads the pack. They have for years. Berlin... They lead the world in Leather Bars perhaps. Hopefully they have a pleather bar for those who would rather not hurt the cow.

g23 · Nov 18, 2017

Ketamine Sun said:
'See, when something is not my forte, I tend to remain silent, or examine it from many different sides'

yes, we are who we are.

'It's a very teenaged way of responding to situations to make bold pronouncements like he does.'

teenagers can be pretty insightful and be teachers to so called 'adults'. But I agree with what you're saying. People here forget he speaks with his heart/emotions, which in this world usually ends in trouble.

'uncommon, or socially inept.'

yes to the grave, maybe he'll 'fit in' in the next world. No love here.

'No matter what, for good or bad, he is fascinating in ways that no other musician has even come close to.'

too true.

Teenagers (and those pesky millennials) constantly shock me with their passion and insight.
However, passion without restraint too often backfires. Like I said, I don't have to agree with everything he says or does, but I do fear that there may come a time where he goes too far for what I am ok with supporting. He's veered pretty close in recent years- BUT, I always have to take into account the things I'm not getting from a printed interview. Body language, vocal intonations, a smirk, a smile, all of those little things that provide as much insight as the words themselves. I much prefer filmed interviews. Someone needs to make a documentary on him. He's at that stage in his career where it could be fascinating.

Deleted member 24049 · Nov 18, 2017

Your family is from f***ing Ireland FFS. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━ ┻

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2017

Orson Swells said:
Thank God that Oscar Wilde never did anything scandalous in his day - imagine what we would all think of him now if he had?

Edgar Allan Poe married his 13-year old cousin. I'm never buying one of his albums again.

vegan.cro · Nov 18, 2017

Orson Swells said:
Thank God that Oscar Wilde never did anything scandalous in his day - imagine what we would all think of him now if he had?

Well, he (Oscar Wilde) spent (the last) day in bed - in Paris.
Look--->>> the French president: How Brigitte met Emmanuel (Independent, April 2017)
"...they met when he was 15 and she was his married, private school teacher - with a daughter of the same age, in the same class..."

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