Morrissey Central "Bonfire Unlit" (November 14, 2022)


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'Bonfire of Teenagers' is no longer scheduled for a February release, as stated by this site. Its fate is exclusively in the hands of Capitol Records (Los Angeles.)
 
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So: do you think Capitol has the rights to the album, meaning Morrissey can't do anything anymore? Even in case Capitol decided not to release it anymore? Could the album disappear forever? What do you think it means Morrissey saying "I don't know what will happen to the album"???
Yes. Has Moz got the upfront cash but they’re just not releasing, or can he just rip up a tentative deal and start again…
 
So: do you think Capitol has the rights to the album, meaning Morrissey can't do anything anymore? Even in case Capitol decided not to release it anymore? Could the album disappear forever? What do you think it means Morrissey saying "I don't know what will happen to the album"???
That's the question we are all asking ourselves. Curiouser and curiouser.
 
So: do you think Capitol has the rights to the album, meaning Morrissey can't do anything anymore? Even in case Capitol decided not to release it anymore? Could the album disappear forever? What do you think it means Morrissey saying "I don't know what will happen to the album"???
Any precedent for this happening? I’m reminded of that wu tang album that is not for public enjoyment, as well as Lil Wayne’s The Carter V. We need A$AP Rocky to get this record out to the streets.
 
Manufacturing various formats worldwide (except England) takes how long from November on:
6 months
12 months
15 months?
 
So: do you think Capitol has the rights to the album, meaning Morrissey can't do anything anymore? Even in case Capitol decided not to release it anymore? Could the album disappear forever? What do you think it means Morrissey saying "I don't know what will happen to the album"???

I don’t think M would agree to a contract where they have that much control. Maybe it’s in contract that Cap have to release Bonfire before they get to release reissues. Don’t know. Anyway, we don’t know why it’s delayed, it could be for a good and practical reason.
 
My guess is that Morrissey wants to put the album out as soon as possible, because he has soon sat on it for two years. Capitol on the other hand -- if the contract is even signed yet -- probably wants to not rush it but plan some promotion around it (which paradoxically is what M. usually demands).
 
It’s in stereo were available. So you must have speakers that play in stereo as well
And two ears. Lucky git. In my day we didn't even have music apart from the orphanage hag clattering pots and pans in the sink. Ears? They used them as handles for lifting us wretches. Only electricity we ever saw was the shock treatment in the sanitarium. Kids are soft these days.
 
My guess is that Morrissey wants to put the album out as soon as possible, because he has soon sat on it for two years. Capitol on the other hand -- if the contract is even signed yet -- probably wants to not rush it but plan some promotion around it (which paradoxically is what M. usually demands).
Plus no doubt the terrible waiting list for pressing plants for vinyl. This could be what's delaying The Cure album too. The record companies just need to be more transparent with the reasons for delays.
 
My guess is that Morrissey wants to put the album out as soon as possible, because he has soon sat on it for two years. Capitol on the other hand -- if the contract is even signed yet -- probably wants to not rush it but plan some promotion around it (which paradoxically is what M. usually demands).
Who knows? We're all just guessing. Morrissey could be master of the art of 'maskirovka', or it could all just be down to letting SER post shite on Moz Central. My guess is the latter, but I could be wrong. I reckon Capitol verbally agreed to sign, Moz Central put out that statement in an over-enthusiastic attempt to get their signature on the dotted line, and now Capitol have backed off, probably not being too chuffed about being railroaded. Morrissey's comments about the album last night do seem to suggest the planned deal is now totally off and is not happening.
 
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It's only delayed if you believe it was actually scheduled by the label to come out in February to begin with (which I'm finding more and more suspect)
 
Are vinyl delays even really real? In the last couple weeks I've purchased reissues from Queens and the Smile. Picked up a new Louder Than Bombs too. My local record store is constantly receiving new stuff. And with a digital first release I really don't see how it's a big deal to deliver vinyl versions a couple months down the line if need be. I think it is definitely something else. I mean they didn't everybody drop Veronica to streaming as a single to promote these new tour dates. Just doesn't add up.
 
It's only delayed if you believe it was actually scheduled by the label to come out in February to begin with (which I'm finding more and more suspect)
It's a very dire-sounding announcement that could suggest that it may not come out at all. Is it scheduled for a later date? Why not state that if it's the case? Since this all comes exclusively through Central, it's hard to tell what's exaggeration and what's flat-out misinformation.
 
Are vinyl delays even really real? In the last couple weeks I've purchased reissues from Queens and the Smile. Picked up a new Louder Than Bombs too. My local record store is constantly receiving new stuff. And with a digital first release I really don't see how it's a big deal to deliver vinyl versions a couple months down the line if need be. I think it is definitely something else. I mean they didn't everybody drop Veronica to streaming as a single to promote these new tour dates. Just doesn't add up.
If announcement to shop is what's being measured, then it would appear to be about 3/4 months - not buying the year delay anecdotal stuff.
Current random example:
Tori Amos coke bottle green vinyl announced today, will be available in Feb.
RSD had been managed & several other vinyl events with only a couple of delays of specific artists (with no indication whether it's a vinyl supply issue or not). There's also been CD supply issues (random eg: Communards reissue was a month late with backed up delays cited).
It's definitely a thing, but given the amount of time the album's been known about verses when a deal may have happened - who knows!?
FWD.
 
Are vinyl delays even really real? In the last couple weeks I've purchased reissues from Queens and the Smile. Picked up a new Louder Than Bombs too. My local record store is constantly receiving new stuff. And with a digital first release I really don't see how it's a big deal to deliver vinyl versions a couple months down the line if need be. I think it is definitely something else. I mean they didn't everybody drop Veronica to streaming as a single to promote these new tour dates. Just doesn't add up.
Yes, they are real.
Its nine months minimum production lead at this point fron lacquer cut to shop. And thats even for an artist that has huge pull and sales potential.
 
Yes, they are real.
Its nine months minimum production lead at this point fron lacquer cut to shop. And thats even for an artist that has huge pull and sales potential.
Surely you can get to the front of the queue for a fee…
 
Maybe the BOT vinyl prototype will end up in the garden with the other stuffed reissue specimens (WPINOYB)?
 
Surely he would have provisions on his contract that prevent that from happening?
Someone I know here, who’s been a friend of M-solo both on and off over the years, and is closely related to recording artists, remains confident BoT the album will in fact be released next Spring, with more shows before and after. (Presumably, if poor Morrissey, the cat’s mother, doesn’t mind!) He also hopes opportunities for Morrissey to go into studio with Alain arise without delay. He looks wistfully back to the era after You Are The Quarry’s release when Merck ably managed the whole shebang, and feels such input could make a huge difference these days and just make life easier all round.

(btw, here’s a list of the top 15 music managers of all time! )

If Sam handles talks with record companies, doesn’t he at least have the benefit of a law degree? Of course, those competencies may not include training in public communication and managing perceptions. Jumping the gun with news and without rock-solid confirmation, seems especially imprudent and likely to backfire?

I did some cursory research on record deals, and picked out relevant points, as below, from https://heroic.academy/truth-about-record-deals/ , who actually have negotiated record deals for artists, and who warn about tripwires that are par for the course, particularly when inexperienced brokers are involved, among other things:


Record deals have developed a reputation of being notoriously strict on artists, which in many cases can be true. It all depends on who you’re dealing with, your bargaining position, negotiating skills and relationship with the label.

…find someone versed in legal affairs, whom can advise and negotiate for you. This is better than negotiating for yourself, as artists are often too emotionally involved with the outcome to be able to play hard ball.

In high-level deals it is common to license only to specific territories, so that one rightsholder (for example – you, the artist) can negotiate deals with different labels in different markets (read: territories). You could have one label exclusively represent your work in the USA + Canada, another in Europe, another in Asia and another in Australia + New Zealand. The benefit to doing that is that each label can use their expertise of their own market to market it more effectively, but you can also gather more advances on royalties from each deal, as well as negotiate more marketing / promotional investments (for radio promotion, video clips etc).

It is not uncommon for artists to grant rights for the duration of copyright, however a well-negotiated license deal usually lasts between 10-20 years.

…add prior-approval language to: the selection of songs on records (if you’re not already choosing yourself), artwork used, any videos and/or promotional materials made and used, remixers, and to restrict the use of your name, brand, image and likeness to promotion of the recordings… prior-approval language means adding wording such as “subject to prior written approval of Artist” to a clause.

…favor option clauses, which give labels the right to put out future releases, on the same terms as the initial deal, if the first release and collaboration is satisfactory.

It is not uncommon for labels to sign records and never put them out. That’s why you need to ask for a release commitment.

This clause needs to include language that commits the label to releasing your record within 60-120 days after acceptance of the product (first single, follow-up EP, etc), as well as granting you rights to get your recordings back in the case they do not release within that period.

When dealing with majors or larger indies, you will want to ask for guarantees on paper for marketing efforts.



There’s another record deal guide here that seems reasonably knowledgeable and genuine. Some of you guys would know way more about the process, which entails challenges that sound tedious and complicated to me. I’m just curious : )
 
He needs a proper manager to slap him around (metaphorically), get rid of the arse kissers around him and sort his career out.

What's Ken Friedman up to these days?
Scott Piering would be a better choice but I understand he's still quite dead. You could write a list but they've all given up or been given up, so what does that tell you?
 
Absolute nonsense. I cannot, cannot, cannot believe that SER still has domain over Central. Constantly posting any stupid video or any youtuber who mentions Morrissey (no matter what agenda they’re invoking him for) and now his big mouth most likely botched this incredible plan Capitol put forward. SER has got to go.

BOT, I’m sure, is a fantastic album. The songs sound great live, the band and production is shared with Iggy Pop’s new single “Frenzy” and they sound fantastic there. Even the album art is good. All signs point to BOT being Morrissey’s best album in years.

I was never a fan of any of the Chiccarelli stuff. Everything after Ringleader, to me, is a lull for Moz (Minus a few bangers). I truly believe that if BOT comes out, it will do good numbers. I remember that interview between Moz and SER where Moz says “Veronica” is as good a single as This Charming Man or First of the Gang. I’d have to agree.

Absolutely maddening that this debacle with the release continues…. A digital release and this album could be on Spotify tomorrow
 
Who knows? We're all just guessing. Morrissey could be master of the art of 'maskirovka', or it could all just be down to letting SER post shite on Moz Central. My guess is the latter, but I could be wrong. I reckon Capitol verbally agreed to sign, Moz Central put out that statement in an over-enthusiastic attempt to get their signature on the dotted line, and now Capitol have backed off, probably not being too chuffed about being railroaded. Morrissey's comments about the album last night do seem to suggest the planned deal is now totally off and is not happening.
Well, if the planned deal was totally off, then Morrissey would have the album back and so "its fate is exclusively in the hands of Capitol Records" would not be true. To me it sounds like more that Capitol still has the album but is still in the process of planning how and when it will be released.
 

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