Alain Whyte gives 'Morrissey and Wine' podcast sneak peek at new Moz album

Alain Whyte, Moz's most prolific songwriter, appears on the latest episode of the 'Morrissey and Wine' podcast - out today. He reveals that the as-yet-unheard album 'Without Music The World Dies' has a 70s sound, 'Suspicious Minds' on the track listing is indeed a cover, which he says sounds great, and he tells us that Notre-Dame had extra lyrics which were cut out - plus plenty of other tidbits and stories.

We've also got Nanny Val back to react to 'The Operation', the ten-question trivia quiz returns and hosts Chris and George dissect the lyrics of one of Alain's tracks - 'Life is a Pigsty' from 'Ringleader of the Tormentors'.

You can listen and subscribe here: https://podfollow.com/morrissey-and-wine

Cheers everyone!

 

[Mike Thomas]

Not necessarily. Bowie had something like one cover per record: Hunky Dory had Fill your Heart, Ziggy had It Ain’t Easy, Aladdin had Let’s Spend the Night Together
And his beloved Dolls first Lp had “Pills”

Even most of Bowie’s final albums or his late period career albums had covers. Bowie though would sometimes completely rearrange his covers to the point where they sounded like they could have been an original Bowie song. Case in point his cover of the Modern Lovers song Pablo Picasso from Bowie’s 2003 album reality. But then sometimes he would cover songs he felt were too good to mess with in a more straight ahead way such as his treatment of The Pixies track Cactus from his album Heathen.

 

[SteveWS]

And I dread to think what the lyrics cut from Notre Dame were

♬ Notre Dame
Erm...
Don't eat ham ♬

 

[Daniel B]

Notre-Dame is perhaps the worst lyric Morrissey has ever written. Persecutory and delusional. Shame is the name.

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

Notre-Dame is perhaps the worst lyric Morrissey has ever written. Persecutory and delusional. Shame is the name.

Too fecking right, the lyrics are bad but worse than that, what he is saying is just provably
wrong, Although The muzzies are burning down a feck lot of churches, so I just pretend he is using that church as a symbol. LOL

That song kind of sums up this stage in M's career, the words are not great, the singing is not singing and he is so off base with the subject, it becomes clear he spends loads of time watching Alex Jones type channels. On the top of that when he sings the song he looks demented. Compare that M to the one of 34 years ago. singing I Changed My Plea , Different in almost every way- nobody stays young forever but its hard to see the same person, you can't really hear the same person and you sure as feck can't read the words and think they are same person

I do like the music on that song, is that AW for Jesse?

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

Even most of Bowie’s final albums or his late period career albums had covers. Bowie though would sometimes completely rearrange his covers to the point where they sounded like they could have been an original Bowie song. Case in point his cover of the Modern Lovers song Pablo Picasso from Bowie’s 2003 album reality. But then sometimes he would cover songs he felt were too good to mess with in a more straight ahead way such as his treatment of The Pixies track Cactus from his album Heathen.

Yes I agree, I think Bowie attacks a Cover in acompletely different way to M. Heathen is a kick ass LP
I think The Hoff was saying that its not a bad thing that M has a cover song, its just not his usual way

Episode 491 - Alain Whyte

Podcast Episode · The Hustle · 09/10/2024 · 1h 50m

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For the next two weeks we're celebrating the guitarists that make Morrissey the artist he was. First up is the great Alain Whyte! Alain was brought on in 91 to simply mime behind Moz in a video, but once they realized how much they had in common musically, he stuck around for the next several years, not to mention he co-wrote many of his best songs like "Alma Matters", "Glamorous Glue" and "Billy Budd" to name only a few. Though he's been out of the Moz orbit for a while, his impact is still felt today and he's taking this on the road. In addition to focusing more on a solo career now, he's also opening some shows for Modern English starting this week! Alain chooses to keep it positive, but you'll learn a lot about the writing process and his love for music is infectious (there are many tangents). Enjoy!

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This one look good

 

[Dusty Miller's Hornpipe]

Notre-Dame is perhaps the worst lyric Morrissey has ever written. Persecutory and delusional. Shame is the name.

There’s no perhaps about it

 

[SteveWS]

It's disingenuous as f*ck - he's well aware, or he should be, why governments and police authorities state things like 'There's nothing to see here' & 'This is not terrorism'; not because of sinister agendas but because of the obvious threat of social disorder and of vengeful attacks on innocent citizens inspired by irresponsible, consequence-free commentators like...Morrissey.

 

[JerryCan]

It's disingenuous as f*ck - he's well aware, or he should be, why governments and police authorities state things like 'There's nothing to see here' & 'This is not terrorism'; not because of sinister agendas but because of the obvious threat of social disorder and of vengeful attacks on innocent citizens inspired by irresponsible, consequence-free commentators like...Morrissey.

Well I always wondered if the song was a throwback to how he may have been affected by the pandemic etc. Be interesting to know what the missing bits were, might have alleviated things if it was less on the nose. I think a few people became a bit unseated after all the goings on in the world. If someone had been able to tap his shoulder and say let's park this one for a while maybe?

Like BOT could have perhaps been reined in a bit - but his obvious tappen into fury leads to that song being a strong moment in the live shows. To me ND wasn't helped by the clunky video backdrop with shooshing faces doubling down on it all.

We saw a few commentators on social media having to face up to their stirrings-up during the recent UK riots which seemed a new thing. Nothing has stopped Moz in the past though. I hope next time something like this comes along Damon will have a word over the cornflakes or something. It does seem to be down to him as once again there's no manager in sight, and the band seems to have to just go along with it.

 

[Juan Dulces]

I was??

Certainly! When we spoke of Morrissey's 'great California album' (your words), in the musical vein of When You Open Your Legs, Forgive Someone, Smiler With Knife, etc.

 

[Juan Dulces]

What am I, chopped liver?

Yes and you too! I've got too many fave people around here to keep track of!

 

[Famous when dead]

If it helps, having read Freak Unique, I'd suggest it's unlikely that The Operation relates to Pete Burns.
A problematic rhinoplasty for a badly healed broken nose in '84 was the first surgery dalliance, but the bulk of the 'extreme' stuff was well after 1995 when the song was written. Obviously, playing about with gender was a constant with him, but there was no surgery relating to anything of that sort prior to '95 either.
FWD.

 

[goinghome]

at times, Morrissey-Solo could be described as "toxic" I have been using this site for more than a decade and I would not disagree with someone if they used that term to describe some aspects of the forum.

Could it be that toxicity is the new normal? Cheating, maiming, bullying, dispossessing, killing? Why be surprised then by soaring rates of self-harm and despondency? We need more Morrissey and Wine types to restore sanity!

Which toxic Morrissey forum are you referencing exactly - the one you're happy advertising yourself on?
FWD.

How quick to resent a source respectful of Morrissey and his people! Even more interesting is the hyper awareness of this site being a certain means of publicity, proving knowledge that the frequent character attacks and libels against him are accordingly being widely circulated.

what he is saying is just provably
wrong,

you say of Notre Dame. But what is he saying? I think what he's saying is that people might well think twice about taking the narrative spin on what happened at face value

Lovely insightful chat by Alain. Every good wish.

 

[dneuer]

I do like the music on that song, is that AW for Jesse?

Haven't scrolled down to read all the replies, but in case no one else has answered, it was an Alain tune.

 

[marred]

Yes and you too! I've got too many fave people around here to keep track of!

Nice save

 

[marred]

i like it as well,there are people on here who dont like anything he has done since the nineties.

I know. I love Veronica and most people here hate it.

 

[April Snow]

I know. I love Veronica and most people here hate it.

Me too - I think that it is awesome and that is what I am looking forward to the most - when he sings "the top bell" it is soooooooo good

Rebels Without Applause - I like that too, but hate the auto-tune on the track, hope that is taken off when the album gets released.

Notre Dame I admit is not high on my list & had me a bit puzzled when I first heard it as I had not heard any terrorist theories there? So this track I find a bit confusing..............

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Certainly! When we spoke of Morrissey's 'great California album' (your words), in the musical vein of When You Open Your Legs, Forgive Someone, Smiler With Knife, etc.

I’m gonna have to see this post, because I don’t recognize this at all. And I’ve always detested WYOYL!

 

[marred]

Me too - I think that it is awesome and that is what I am looking forward to the most - when he sings "the top bell" it is soooooooo good

Rebels Without Applause - I like that too, but hate the auto-tune on the track, hope that is taken off when the album gets released.

Notre Dame I admit is not high on my list & had me a bit puzzled when I first heard it as I had not heard any terrorist theories there? So this track I find a bit confusing..............

I too really like Rebels but also would love to hear it with a normal vocal. The bit at the end is especially ghastly where he sings "Generation X and X-ray specs, I love them all..." The autotune is on max!

 

[April Snow]

I too really like Rebels but also would love to hear it with a normal vocal. The bit at the end is especially ghastly where he sings "Generation X and X-ray specs, I love them all..." The autotune is on max!

I agree, the end is awful, it is like the vocals are wobbly & one thing Morrissey does not need is Auto Tune - his voice is gorgeous just as it is.

 

[gashonthenail]

It's disingenuous as f*ck - he's well aware, or he should be, why governments and police authorities state things like 'There's nothing to see here' & 'This is not terrorism'; not because of sinister agendas but because of the obvious threat of social disorder and of vengeful attacks on innocent citizens inspired by irresponsible, consequence-free commentators like...Morrissey.

Are you seriously suggesting that 'governments and police authorities' don't tell lies? You really are a trusting fellow.