Ongoing Darrin / Alain / Band / Management discussion

[Gregor Samsa]

Where? How many times do I need to say that I believe Darrin’s side of the story? I’m sorry that you don’t practice healthy skepticism, meaning.. that we both can believe anyone’s information until new information comes along that may change our mind.




Then I guess Alain is ignoring that ‘big red flag’ too, lol! That’s if you want to believe that Morrissey’s at fault, then that would contradict Alain’s side of the story, when Alain states below that he has ‘not fallen out with Morrissey’, basically that Morrissey is not to blame for his decision in leaving.

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But if asked, and you never did ask me. I would be the first to say that Morrissey needed proper management, it’s one of the reasons The Smiths broke up and seems to be the reason why Alain left.



We don’t know the details, we don’t know why Knutson behaved in the way he did that led to Alain leaving, but I can speculate and could imagine that Knutson was being asked to take on more responsibilities then being only the tour manager. Now of course I could be totally wrong about this speculation, but if true, I think you can imagine how stressful that could be for Knutson or anyone, (back to Marr) and what problems that could lead to. So, if this is true, then naturally and ultimately it comes back to Morrissey being at fault.

You do? Great.

Well, Moz put(s?) up with Donnie and his antics, which obviously makes him an accessory. Big of Alain to not see it that way. Too big of him, one might say.

I’m not joining in on the potential Knutson pity party that you’re throwing. If he didn’t feel up to the task (if there was one at all), he should’ve said so. Judging by Alain’s and Gustavo’s comments, he instead decided to be a dick.

 

[No 27]

We don’t know the details, we don’t know why Knutson behaved in the way he did that led to Alain leaving, but I can speculate and could imagine that Knutson was being asked to take on more responsibilities then being only the tour manager. Now of course I could be totally wrong about this speculation, but if true, I think you can imagine how stressful that could be for Knutson or anyone, (back to Marr) and what problems that could lead to. So, if this is true, then naturally and ultimately it comes back to Morrissey being at fault.

I thought "taking on more responsibilities than..." was Damon's responsibility. Are you suggesting they're a throuple now?

 

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I thought "taking on more responsibilities than..." was Damon's responsibility. Are you suggesting they're a throuple now?

I never thought Damon’s position was as manager. I’m speculating from the point of view that Knutson is or always has been a tour manager, and that there is the possibility that he may have been asked to take on other duties as Morrissey didn’t have a manager at the time. All of this is of course speculation on my part.

 

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You do? Great.

Well, Moz put(s?) up with Donnie and his antics, which obviously makes him an accessory. Big of Alain to not see it that way. Too big of him, one might say.

Well it was speculated, not only by me, in another thread, that Morrissey simply may
not know the truth as to what’s going on (at the time) in regards to band members leaving. Maybe Alain didn’t tell him it was because of Knutson. We could assume he knows by now, but we don’t know. Or maybe he does know, but finds it easier and of benefit to keep Knutson on in spite of these recent changes.

I’m not joining in on the potential Knutson pity party that you’re throwing. If he didn’t feel up to the task (if there was one at all), he should’ve said so. Judging by Alain’s and Gustavo’s comments, he instead decided to be a dick.

Lol. Yes that’s a simple way to look at it. But I find it more interesting and fair to keep an open mind about a situation in which we know very little about. It seems this is beyond your intellectual capabilities. Also, people do things to keep their jobs.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Well it was speculated, not only by me, in another thread, that Morrissey simply may
not know the truth as to what’s going on (at the time) in regards to band members leaving. Maybe Alain didn’t tell him it was because of Knutson. We could assume he knows by now, but we don’t know. Or maybe he does know, but finds it easier and of benefit to keep Knutson on in spite of these recent changes.


Lol. Yes that’s a simple way to look at it. But I find it more interesting and fair to keep an open mind about a situation in which we know very little about. It seems this is beyond your intellectual capabilities. Also, people do things to keep their jobs.

I’d be careful not to attack others intellect if I were you. Doing mental gymnastics to defend Morrissey 24/7 doesn’t really do you any favors in the intelligence department, you know.

I for one am willing to take Alain’s and Darrin’s word for it. And Morrissey was foolish to lose Alain for a second time.

 

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I’d be careful not to attack others intellect if I were you. Doing mental gymnastics to defend Morrissey 24/7 doesn’t really do you any favors in the intelligence department, you know.

No ‘mental gymnastics to defend’ anyone ‘24/7’ coming from me. I don’t know why or how you keep making this shit up. Examples please, or shut the fuuck up.

I for one am willing to take Alain’s and Darrin’s word for it.

As I already said, so am I.

And Morrissey was foolish to lose Alain for a second time.

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[goinghome]

Move on from it?
Like how ya repeated it three sentences up and then
kept talkin' about it two comments later?

Loller coaster.

One hopes dneuer is well in with Alain, as banging on with this partisan tittle-tattle could put off others in future.

 

[The Wild Turkey]

One hopes dneuer is well in with Alain, as banging on with this partisan tittle-tattle could put off others in future.

It's cool if he wants to stick up for his buddy Al.
It's just funny how he tried to act like the voice
of reason, when he weren't.

 

[Redacted]

Everyone eventually leaves Morrissey, bandmates and friends. It's obvious he is at fault, not sure why it really needs to be questioned and explained. Even if Alain said he and Morrissey did not fall out, there was a problem there that was serious enough to make Alain and others leave and that is ultimately on Morrissey.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

No ‘mental gymnastics to defend’ anyone ‘24/7’ coming from me. I don’t know why or how you keep making this shit up. Examples please, or shut the fuuck up.

As I already said, so am I.

Maybe. Maybe not.

I’m not going to dig through your posts to show you something that this whole forum is well aware of. You’re notorious for being the biggest apologist on Solo. No matter what stupid shit he does, you put a positive spin on it or do your utmost to explain it away.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

I’m not going to dig through your posts to show you something that this whole forum is well aware of. You’re notorious for being the biggest apologist on Solo. No matter what stupid shit he does, you put a positive spin on it or do your utmost to explain it away.

I have NO idea how zoom, or anyone else who ever does with you, ever has the patience! You are crapping on about the same thing all of the time, Mr I-haven’t-been-to-a-Morrissey-concert-since-2006 or whenever, but-i-am-going-to-sit-here-on-this-site-day-in-and-day-out-and-go-for-dozens-of-pages-complaining-not-only-about-Morrissey-but-also-every-time-I-don’t-like-it-when-other-people-aren’t-also-equally-complaining-about-Morrissey-as-much-as-I-am!

You have been SO mind-numbingly boring (again!) on this thread that my brain is about to ASPLODE. Zoom has told you repeatedly that they potentially agree with you on this topic, and you won’t accept that because what you actually want to complain about is zoom “being this site’s biggest apologist” BECAUSE in reality, what you liked about this “update” from Darrin is that it’s yet another marginally salacious tidbit (lol, only for you maybe- not for anyone else though!) that lets you get excited about the fact that you can bitch and moan about yet another thing that you think is Morrissey’s “fault”.

Literally even if Knutson was the most disrespectful person on planet earth, you have absolutely no idea what happened just because Alain or anybody else might label him as disrespectful, and not only that, but you have zero insight (same as anybody else here!) as to anything else, either.

On the other hand, you conveniently and deliberately ignore the fact that… NEWSFLASH! Morrissey ultimately doesn’t control Alain OR Donnie. People react to others and choose their own behaviour, all by themselves! Imagine that!

You’re obsessed with someone you love to complain about, and then you try to excuse your super embarrassing behavior by regularly interjecting with “but he meant so much to meeeeee!”

I cannot believe you are a grown nearly 40 year old man, oh my f***

 

[Phranc & Open]

Darrin = Legend

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I have NO idea how zoom, or anyone else who ever does with you, ever has the patience! You are crapping on about the same thing all of the time, Mr I-haven’t-been-to-a-Morrissey-concert-since-2006 or whenever, but-i-am-going-to-sit-here-on-this-site-day-in-and-day-out-and-go-for-dozens-of-pages-complaining-not-only-about-Morrissey-but-also-every-time-I-don’t-like-it-when-other-people-aren’t-also-equally-complaining-about-Morrissey-as-much-as-I-am!

You have been SO mind-numbingly boring (again!) on this thread that my brain is about to ASPLODE. Zoom has told you repeatedly that they potentially agree with you on this topic, and you won’t accept that because what you actually want to complain about is zoom “being this site’s biggest apologist” BECAUSE in reality, what you liked about this “update” from Darrin is that it’s yet another marginally salacious tidbit (lol, only for you maybe- not for anyone else though!) that lets you get excited about the fact that you can bitch and moan about yet another thing that you think is Morrissey’s “fault”.

Literally even if Knutson was the most disrespectful person on planet earth, you have absolutely no idea what happened just because Alain or anybody else might label him as disrespectful, and not only that, but you have zero insight (same as anybody else here!) as to anything else, either.

On the other hand, you conveniently and deliberately ignore the fact that… NEWSFLASH! Morrissey ultimately doesn’t control Alain OR Donnie. People react to others and choose their own behaviour, all by themselves! Imagine that!

You’re obsessed with someone you love to complain about, and then you try to excuse your super embarrassing behavior by regularly interjecting with “but he meant so much to meeeeee!”

I cannot believe you are a grown nearly 40 year old man, oh my f***

I can’t believe that you are a grown woman, when you constantly write as if you are a 14-year-old fangirl in perpetual hysterics. The infantile “I’m a wittle baby” tone of your posts sends me headfirst into excruciating second-hand embarrassment. That goes for your foolish attempts to police this forum and its members, as well. A lot of us here love Morrissey and what he’s meant for us, but that doesn’t stop us from voicing our criticisms whenever there’s something to be critical about.

People choose their own behavior, yes, but if there’s a rotten apple in Team Moz, Moz should get rid of it. He didn’t, so instead he wound up losing two of his most beloved musicians. Morrissey, as the commander-in-chief, has the final say and the ultimate responsibility - which is something you fervent apologists hate to admit.

You really should take a breather next time you want to write a several paragraphs long ad-hominem rant to another user. Your own behavior leaves a lot to be desired.

 

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I have NO idea how zoom, or anyone else who ever does with you, ever has the patience! You are crapping on about the same thing all of the time, Mr I-haven’t-been-to-a-Morrissey-concert-since-2006 or whenever, but-i-am-going-to-sit-here-on-this-site-day-in-and-day-out-and-go-for-dozens-of-pages-complaining-not-only-about-Morrissey-but-also-every-time-I-don’t-like-it-when-other-people-aren’t-also-equally-complaining-about-Morrissey-as-much-as-I-am!

You have been SO mind-numbingly boring (again!) on this thread that my brain is about to ASPLODE. Zoom has told you repeatedly that they potentially agree with you on this topic, and you won’t accept that because what you actually want to complain about is zoom “being this site’s biggest apologist” BECAUSE in reality, what you liked about this “update” from Darrin is that it’s yet another marginally salacious tidbit (lol, only for you maybe- not for anyone else though!) that lets you get excited about the fact that you can bitch and moan about yet another thing that you think is Morrissey’s “fault”.

Literally even if Knutson was the most disrespectful person on planet earth, you have absolutely no idea what happened just because Alain or anybody else might label him as disrespectful, and not only that, but you have zero insight (same as anybody else here!) as to anything else, either.

On the other hand, you conveniently and deliberately ignore the fact that… NEWSFLASH! Morrissey ultimately doesn’t control Alain OR Donnie. People react to others and choose their own behaviour, all by themselves! Imagine that!

You’re obsessed with someone you love to complain about, and then you try to excuse your super embarrassing behavior by regularly interjecting with “but he meant so much to meeeeee!”

I cannot believe you are a grown nearly 40 year old man, oh my f***

Hear! hear!

Perfect. Especially this …

‘BECAUSE in reality, what you liked about this “update” from Darrin is that it’s yet another marginally salacious tidbit (lol, only for you maybe- not for anyone else though!) that lets you get excited about the fact that you can bitch and moan about yet another thing that you think is Morrissey’s “fault”.’

‘You’re obsessed with someone you love to complain about, and then you try to excuse your super embarrassingbehavior by regularly interjecting with “but he meant so much to meeeeee!”

 

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Darrin = Legend

He totally is

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

I can’t believe that you are a grown woman, when you constantly write as if you are a 14-year-old fangirl in perpetual hysterics. The infantile “I’m a wittle baby” tone of your posts sends me headfirst into excruciating second-hand embarrassment. That goes for your foolish attempts to police this forum and its members, as well. A lot of us here love Morrissey and what he’s meant for us, but that doesn’t stop us from voicing our criticisms whenever there’s something to be critical about.

People choose their own behavior, yes, but if there’s a rotten apple in Team Moz, Moz should get rid of it. He didn’t, so instead he wound up losing two of his most beloved musicians. Morrissey, as the commander-in-chief, has the final say and the ultimate responsibility - which is something you fervent apologists hate to admit.

You really should take a breather next time you want to write a several paragraphs long ad-hominem rant to another user. Your own behavior leaves a lot to be desired.

Translation: “I didn’t like any of that, and I don’t like one single word she wrote because it’s all true, and that was a little too close too the bone for my liking right now, and probably caught me slightly off guard as well. Unfortunately for me, i completely lack the self awareness to be mortified - even though i know full well that my cheeks should be absolutely burning right now - because she called it!”

Also - just to put your sweet mind at rest, you don’t have to worry your befuddled little head about any of my fangirling, because none of any of it’s for your benefit

 

[Phranc & Open]

Lol. Poor you!

As one of the Top 3 winning contenders on this site fulfilling all of the following criteria:

• Sad middle aged man
• Hanging out every day on the website of a singer that only disappoints you, and that you don’t agree with, and whose work and whose band you also don’t like
• Specifically here to whine, and only to whine
• Mentally, emotionally, and psychologically stuck in perpetuity in a decade that ended, errr, three decades ago!

I will point out the obvious, which is that your post is a really accurate example of your personality, and that you should try to use it to clue yourself in to why you’re still single, and why you’re always going to be

You should really do Fiona's job. I think you could sink his career for good. Really. And you wouldn't even notice.

 

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Darrin = Legend

If Darrin is as humble as Alain is, I think he would laugh and be puzzled by your comment.

 

[Phranc & Open]

If Darrin is as humble as Alain is, I think he would laugh and be puzzled by your comment.

There are also humble legends.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

You should really do Fiona's job. I think you could sink his career for good. Really. And you wouldn't even notice.