Ongoing Darrin / Alain / Band / Management discussion

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I have a hard time believing Darrin, who is a close friend of Alain’s, would lie or embellish.

Sure, I have nothing against D. But some ( like GHome) may need or want the other side of the story to come to a more complete and fair conclusion. No?

 

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Sure, I have nothing against D. But some ( like GHome) may need or want the other side of the story to come to a more complete and fair conclusion. No?

The thing about D is that he's probably been closer to Morrissey than anyone on this forum has ever been.

 

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hmmmm.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Sure, I have nothing against D. But some ( like GHome) may need or want the other side of the story to come to a more complete and fair conclusion. No?

I have no idea how that person’s mind is working or what it needs. I myself believe @dneuer

 

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I have no idea how that person’s mind is working or what it needs. I myself believe @dneuer

Sure. You can believe him or anything until new information ( if it comes) may change that or any belief.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Sure. You can believe him or anything until new information ( if it comes) may change that or any belief.

And you can believe whatever you think Morrissey would prefer you to believe.

 

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And you can believe whatever you think Morrissey would prefer you to believe.

what’s wrong with you?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

what’s wrong with you?

Ha! Ditto. Aren’t you gonna use the laugh emoji? It’s been ten minutes.

 

[dneuer]

I have no idea how that person’s mind is working or what it needs. I myself believe @dneuer

Cheers… didn’t mean to leave you twisting on this. Been away for a bit. I thought it was pretty common knowledge by now that both Al and Gus left in part because they had no interest in putting up with the disrespect and lack of professionalism they were subjected to (including that of the former tour manager). It’s in the past and probably best if everyone moves on from it.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Cheers… didn’t mean to leave you twisting on this. Been away for a bit. I thought it was pretty common knowledge by now that both Al and Gus left in part because they had no interest in putting up with the disrespect and lack of professionalism they were subjected to (including that of the former tour manager). It’s in the past and probably best if everyone moves on from it.

I thought you made it perfectly clear, but for someone like Zoom it’s not enough. She will never accept that all things aren’t absolutely perfect within camp Moz. But I myself thank you for your insight and your willingness to share it.

 

[dneuer]

I thought you made it perfectly clear, but for someone like Zoom it’s not enough. She will never accept that all things aren’t absolutely perfect within camp Moz. But I myself thank you for your insight and your willingness to share it.

I wasn't trying to single any fans/forum members out… I just thought one of the main reasons for their departure had been well established (I’m pretty sure Alain had even made it known publicly via social media). I’ve much less insight than some give me credit for, but if I know something and it doesn’t break confidences, I’m happy to share.
I mentioned waaayyy back Juan and Brendan would be gone next… it just took longer for it to happen than I thought

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Absolutely mental move from Movingtoahome to downvote @dneuer ’s last two posts. They were completely good-natured, informative and matter-of-fact.

 

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Off-topic discussion thread / moved as clogging other threads

wtf is wrong with you? Needs to leave off the Iron Bru at breakfast

www.morrissey-solo.com

Yes, Alain’s close personal friend.

It’s still one person's account. Not saying I don’t believe him though.

That is correct. Darrin is one (1) person.

And so I guess, some would like more than one account to believe any story. Fair enough, no?

I have a hard time believing Darrin, who is a close friend of Alain’s, would lie or embellish.

Sure, I have nothing against D. But some ( like GHome) may need or want the other side of the story to come to a more complete and fair conclusion. No?

Just a recap above, where I already told you that I believed what @dneuer has said to most likely be true, in regards to Alain leaving.
The point of my exchange was to state that it is possible that others may need more information, more than just ‘one person’s account’ ( as @goinghome stated) before coming to a conclusion as to exactly why Alain left.

I thought you made it perfectly clear, but for someone like Zoom it’s not enough. She will never accept that all things aren’t absolutely perfect within camp Moz. But I myself thank you for your insight and your willingness to share it.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Sure. You can believe him or anything until new information ( if it comes) may change that or any belief.

Well, you also wrote this , making your skepticism abundantly clear. It’s obvious you have a hard time accepting that Morrissey, in that he put up with Knutson’s behavior, is part of the reason two of his most beloved musicians left the band.

 

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I wasn't trying to single any fans/forum members out… I just thought one of the main reasons for their departure had been well established (I’m pretty sure Alain had even made it known publicly via social media). I’ve much less insight than some give me credit for, but if I know something and it doesn’t break confidences, I’m happy to share.
I mentioned waaayyy back Juan and Brendan would be gone next… it just took longer for it to happen than I thought

Hi d, hope you are well, very nice to see you.
There are a lot of people here who appreciate your contributions and your general kindness and cheeriness, especially and including me. Just want you to know that.

 

[The Wild Turkey]

It’s in the past and probably best if everyone moves on from it.

Move on from it?
Like how ya repeated it three sentences up and then
kept talkin' about it two comments later?

Loller coaster.

 

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Sure. You can believe him or anything until new information ( if it comes) may change that or any belief.

Well, you also wrote this , making your skepticism abundantly clear.

No. I was speaking for both of us. Meaning, that we can believe @dneuer ’s information (& let’s not forget Alain’s tweet) until other information (if it ever comes along) may change our conclusion as to why Alain left.
It’s simply being fair & logical.

It’s obvious you have a hard time accepting that Morrissey, in that he put up with Knutson’s behavior, is part of the reason two of his most beloved musicians left the band.

how is that obvious? Where in our exchange
did I try to shift the blame from Morrissey to someone else? Where did I say it was all of Knutson’s fault and it has nothing to do with Morrissey? Or do you just like to make up this shit? Because that’s what you’re doing here.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

No. I was speaking for both of us. Meaning, that we can believe @dneuer ’s information (& let’s not forget Alain’s tweet) until other information (if it ever comes along) may change our conclusion as to why Alain left.
It’s simply being fair & logical.



how is that obvious? Where in our exchange
did I try to shift the blame from Morrissey to someone else? Where did I say it was all of Knutson’s fault and it has nothing to do with Morrissey? Or do you just like to make up this shit? Because that’s what you’re doing here.

Well, you consistently in this discussion lobby for your own excessive and frankly unwarranted skepticism towards Darrin and Alain, I guess because their testimony incriminates Morrissey as well, which we all know is a big red flag for you.

 

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Well, you consistently in this discussion lobby for your own excessive and frankly unwarranted skepticism towards Darrin and Alain,

Where? How many times do I need to say that I believe Darrin’s side of the story? I’m sorry that you don’t practice healthy skepticism, meaning.. that we both can believe anyone’s information until new information comes along that may change our mind.

I guess because their testimony incriminates Morrissey as well, which we all know is a big red flag for you.

Then I guess Alain is ignoring that ‘big red flag’ too, lol! That’s if you want to believe that Morrissey’s at fault, then that would contradict Alain’s side of the story, when Alain states below that he has ‘not fallen out with Morrissey’, basically that Morrissey is not to blame for his decision in leaving.

But if asked, and you never did ask me. I would be the first to say that Morrissey needed proper management, it’s one of the reasons The Smiths broke up and seems to be the reason why Alain left.



We don’t know the details, we don’t know why Knutson behaved in the way he did that led to Alain leaving, but I can speculate and could imagine that Knutson was being asked to take on more responsibilities then being only the tour manager. Now of course I could be totally wrong about this speculation, but if true, I think you can imagine how stressful that could be for Knutson or anyone, (back to Marr) and what problems that could lead to. So, if this is true, then naturally and ultimately it comes back to Morrissey being at fault.