Guardian / Zoe Williams: "A Morrissey tribute band separates the art from the artist – but I still end up feeling queasy" (July 30, 2024)

Today sees a fairly pointless "opinion piece" from dear old Zoe Williams, who'll happily write 400 words about ANYTHING. If you can't be arsed to click through, here's the text of it:

A Morrissey tribute band separates the art from the artist – but I still end up feeling queasy​

On Saturday night, I went to the Dublin Castle, a pub and music venue in Camden, north London, the fabled birthplace of Britpop. I definitely wasn’t there when Blur were born; I feel sure I would have remembered. But I was there the night a guy set his hair on fire because he was trying to make a girl smell his shampoo and he accidentally leaned over someone lighting a cigarette. So that’s going back a few years.

Covers band Viva Morrissey speak straight to the hearts of those of us with an unarguable passion for Morrissey the genre, but an inveterate dislike of Morrissey the man. It’s an ambivalence deeper than the standard question “can you love the art while finding the artist ‘problematic’?”.

Picasso, for instance, was of his time. He died before society figured out that locking women in studios was bad, actually. Who knows, if he hadn’t died, he might have apologised. Morrissey, by contrast, lives his life as a constant provocation, peddling tired far-right tropes (Hitler was leftwing, actually) and dumb, crotchety attacks on Sadiq Khan, which is just not-quite-deniable Islamophobia for the basic.

Want to say something racist, but don’t want to be challenged on it? Say something irrelevant and unkind about the mayor of London. It’s so simple even Donald Trump can do it.

I could never pay to see Morrissey; but I’d still always watch a guy who looks and sounds a bit like him, especially if he didn’t get into the choppier waters of ethno-nationalism, which it’s technically possible to avoid. But Viva Morrissey had elected to play You Are the Quarry in full, so Irish Blood, English Heart couldn’t be skirted. It’s nothing like as nasty as Bengali in Platforms, but listening to the lyrics, live – “I’ve been dreaming of a time when / To be English is not to be baneful / To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful / Racist or partial”, followed by a swipe at mainstream politics – it described, quite economically and, OK, also tunefully, the full political programme of the Reform party. All English politics is rubbish because it’s not proud enough to be English. You can imagine Lee Anderson singing it, with Farage and Tice on guitars, at the karaoke from hell.

Released in 2004, it was a massively leading indicator of how ugly politics would become. While it wouldn’t have been possible, then, for anyone to take Morrissey as seriously as he takes himself, we could have got a heads up for the future if we’d listened a fraction more closely.

 
Couldn’t disagree more.

The riots in Southport were the complete opposite to the Manchester response.

Those idiots ended up targeting Muslims (when this has nothing to do with them) and causing more upset in a community that was grieving.

You say that these events continue to happen. I say the riots are going to contribute to that more than a bunch of people singing don’t look back in anger (unless you really hate OASIS!).

So, I don’t ridicule them. I admire them for showing love at such a bleak time. It takes guts to be gentle and kind.

It's a nice sentiment but one that's going to leave Britain fu*ked. Since the governments, Tory and Labour have no balls........maybe the white-working class Spoons loving, low IQ's have to. Cuz........this country is screwed.
 
Couldn’t disagree more.

The riots in Southport were the complete opposite to the Manchester response.

Those idiots ended up targeting Muslims (when this has nothing to do with them) and causing more upset in a community that was grieving.

You say that these events continue to happen. I say the riots are going to contribute to that more than a bunch of people singing don’t look back in anger (unless you really hate OASIS!).

So, I don’t ridicule them. I admire them for showing love at such a bleak time. It takes guts to be gentle and kind.

And the locals went and rebuilt the mosque wall the day after the idiots knocked it down to use the bricks to chuck at the police. One of them got their just deserts though :ROFLMAO:



 
My opinion, yes, just like saying that no artist has improved with age was yours. But not just my opinion. Like I said, both fans and critics agree with me on the likes of Cave, Cash, Cohen, Willie, Bruce, Bowie.
70’s Elvis was fantastic. I love most of what he did, but the 70’s stuff hits deeper and harder. Even though he didn’t write the songs, he sang his life in the 70’s. “Pieces of My Life”, “Where Did They Go, Lord”, “Loving Arms”, the whole Boulevard album, really. And the voice was better than ever. But sadly, the narrative created by tired music journalists and perpetuated by people who can’t seem to be bothered by listening for themselves will tell you otherwise.

And your opinion on Cash is…singular. Odd, even.
Not true about the Cash recordings, I grew up listening to Cash and all the other great traditional country artists thanks to my dad (real country music that I love to this day) so to see people suddenly interested in him and wearing shirts that said CASH all based on a NIN cover he did, was annoying to say the least.
 
Couldn’t disagree more.

The riots in Southport were the complete opposite to the Manchester response.

Those idiots ended up targeting Muslims (when this has nothing to do with them) and causing more upset in a community that was grieving.

You say that these events continue to happen. I say the riots are going to contribute to that more than a bunch of people singing don’t look back in anger (unless you really hate OASIS!).

So, I don’t ridicule them. I admire them for showing love at such a bleak time. It takes guts to be gentle and kind.
Singing "Don't Look Back In Anger" after a terrorist bombing was insane mate, don't be stupid. Imagine being one of the parents of the kids that died, being told to not be angry?

It was completely delusional and completely inappropriate for that incident. If it was Grenfell, it'd be understandable. Not a suicide bomber..
 
And the locals went and rebuilt the mosque wall the day after the idiots knocked it down to use the bricks to chuck at the police. One of them got their just deserts though :ROFLMAO:





That's where you and me disagree. I don't believe in Islam being in England. Muhammad was a warlord and married a child..........this isn't someone to worship. I don't believe it should be encouraged. Maybe the guys that did it were thugs........at this point in time.........I really couldn't care less. There needs to be push-back against the constant wave of immigrant madness.
 
things were always going to come to a head at one point.you have thousands of people who have never paid into the system getting all the benefits of migration,40% of all housing stock is for migrants,that is shocking,why do you think labours number 1 priority is housing.
 
Not true about the Cash recordings, I grew up listening to Cash and all the other great traditional country artists thanks to my dad (real country music that I love to this day) so to see people suddenly interested in him and wearing shirts that said CASH all based on a NIN cover he did, was annoying to say the least.
But that’s not his fault. That cover is amazing and it spoke to a lot of people. But yes, unfortunately it might have helped in part to spawn some tacky commerciality (even though I’m sure those shirts existed well before 2002). Most people wearing Johnny Cash shirts haven’t heard the Bitter Tears album, if you know what I mean. The Ramones suffered the same fate and that was an astonishing band.
 
That's where you and me disagree. I don't believe in Islam being in England. Muhammad was a warlord and married a child..........this isn't someone to worship. I don't believe it should be encouraged. Maybe the guys that did it were thugs........at this point in time.........I really couldn't care less. There needs to be push-back against the constant wave of immigrant madness.
Couldn't agree more. It's a violent, hateful religion that has no place in Western civilization.
 
Twat. Suede inadvertently started Britpop, not those well off gimps singing in fake accents about parklife. Anyone who feels 'queasy' about Morrissey should be dropped into a black hole in Calcutta for a reality check of what queasy actually means.
 
Check your source. Conservative free-market libertarians who are behind FEE, are never going to have a good word to say about socialism.


The American Communist Party was launched a few days ago and is attracting interest - https://independentpoliticalreport....al-clubs-deny-inclusion-in-party-declaration/
 
Zoe Williams is, quite simply, the worst writer that I have ever come across. No intelligence or originality at all and absolutely no understanding of Morrissey's lyrics whatsoever. As the decent people of Britain (of all races and religions) are currently mourning the three young children brutally murdered in Southport, Williams and her ilk are most probably sat in Starbucks, wondering what more Britain could have done to help the killer in the first place and praying for clemency and leniency from the judiciary in his forthcoming trial.
If you're reading, Zoe, know this:

I, for one, hate your f***ing guts.
 
Couldn't agree more. It's a violent, hateful religion that has no place in Western civilization.
Except, as atrocities in Vietnam, Iraq, Gaza and many other places on the planet illustrate. the concept of "Western civilisation" remains a myth. The fact that Donald Trump - a convicted rapist and fraudster - remains a serious contender to the America's next president destroys any claim to moral superiority his compatriots or followers may hold.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims throughout the world practise their religion peacefully with no threat to anyone else.
 
"Separate the art from the artist" is such a banal, trite phrase, I wish people would stop using it. It's impossible in the case of Morrissey anyway - he is his art.
 
Except, as atrocities in Vietnam, Iraq, Gaza and many other places on the planet illustrate. the concept of "Western civilisation" remains a myth. The fact that Donald Trump - a convicted rapist and fraudster - remains a serious contender to the America's next president destroys any claim to moral superiority his compatriots or followers may hold.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims throughout the world practise their religion peacefully with no threat to anyone else.
He is not a convicted rapist. Accuracy matters.
 
Check your source. Conservative free-market libertarians who are behind FEE, are never going to have a good word to say about socialism.


The American Communist Party was launched a few days ago and is attracting interest - https://independentpoliticalreport....al-clubs-deny-inclusion-in-party-declaration/
It's called an opinion piece, goinghome. All opinion pieces have a bias. All opinion pieces draw conclusions from facts. All opinion pieces select which facts they want to draw conclusions from. The reader's job is then to decide how cogent are the conclusions.
The argument that fascism grew out of socialism, that fascism is in many ways socialism applied to the nation state, rather than an internationalist notion of socialism, would be shared by many historians and political theorists. Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable. That's what makes it the truth.

 
Britain is a powder keg. Ireland is a powder keg. France is a powder keg, as we saw from the events of last year. No doubt there are similar tensions in countries across Europe, from Portugal to Sweden. And there are clearly tensions in the USA. All caused by uncontrolled mass immigration. People will tolerate and put up with many things. Until they see that their children are at risk. Bonfire of Teenagers, Bonfire of Children.
And people aren't stupid. They can see they are being lied to. 'Diversity is strength' repeated over and over again like some slogan straight out of Orwell's 1984. This is why I quite like Notre Dame as a catchy pop song. Its message is clear - don't believe what they tell you. Especially when they 'rule out terrorism'.
 
the guardian has printed over 450 negative stories about M,they arent going to change their tune,scum on the run.
as iv stated on here many a time,i wouldnt wipe my arse witht that rag,can you wipe your arse with the digital edition,who knows.

she would be sitting in that pub smugly saying to herself,am i the only one who can seperate the art from the artist.
Jesus
for all the “I never will go to his shows ever” they sure love writting about him
 

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