Morrissey Central "Witness To The World" (December 10, 2022)

WITNESS TO THE WORLD - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - WITNESS TO THE WORLD

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

 

[Moz Fan]

Maybe it's guilt, I feel like I'm profiting from his misfortune. Maybe I love him so much that I cant see the bigger picture.

All we have to do is show our love and stand by him.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

I wish Morrissey was never born to save him all the pain that existence has caused him.

What a thing to say

 

[MILKISMURDER]

Or too selfish, depending on your point of view.

Where would we be if the parents of the world's greatest problem solvers and innovators had thought similarly.

How could it be selfish to feel all the suffering of the world and opt out? Birth is the source of any problem that could need mitigating. Quite the ponzi scheme to create more problems in the hope of problem solving.

When BrokenFrame say they wish he had never been born, they’re not saying it with malice, just a recognition that he would have been spared a lot of torment. Torment that has culminated in this song; his most explicit call for death.

 

[MILKISMURDER]

I wish Morrissey was never born to save him all the pain that existence has caused him. Sure, his music made my life better....but it's not all about what I want.

“I’ve had such a hard time, I should not exist.”

Utilitarians might say his suffering is a useful means to an end if he has been of comfort to his fellow travellers. Without him they would have sought out similar consolations perhaps. Wonder if he trapped others in a gloomy world view of depressive realism at times? Is it right to use others as a means to an end?

 

[gashonthenail]

“I’ve had such a hard time, I should not exist.”

Utilitarians might say his suffering is a useful means to an end if he has been of comfort to his fellow travellers. Without him they would have sought out similar consolations perhaps. Wonder if he trapped others in a gloomy world view of depressive realism at times? Is it right to use others as a means to an end?

As the song goes, whatever gets you through the night...
Whether that's Jesus, or Krishna, or Buddha, or alcohol, or some interesting drug, or love, or sex, or your pet dog or cat, or Morrissey. It's all right.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

As the song goes, whatever gets you through the night...
Whether that's Jesus, or Krishna, or Buddha, or alcohol, or some interesting drug, or love, or sex, or your pet dog or cat, or Morrissey. It's all right.

all of those at once, is the only thing that works for me.

 

[smiler]

Can I add that the phrase "You'll never find my trace on lover's lips" is quite perfect.

You won't find another artist writing lyrics like that

 

[Luxo]

Change for the worse is not evolution
His work has suffered, for whatever reason, people just are not as interested in his later career, because it's not as good by any objective comparison

The irony being that in my last message, I very clearly said that some of his more recent stuff is actually ok, and that I even really like some of his songs that have clumsy lyrics (When You Open Your Legs is one of my favourite Morrissey songs. The music is great, and the lyrics are pure lovely filth).

But no, if you dare compare Morrissey's work to Morrissey's work (which he does himself), even when comparing recent lyrics to recent lyrics, you're a terrible person, stuck in the past, afraid of "evolution".

It's perfectly OK to critique the work of your favourite artist, even to dislike some of their music (God forbid!). Morrissey himself hasn't always been kind to some of his faves (e.g. Bowie).

 

[Robert Lee]

The irony being that in my last message, I very clearly said that some of his more recent stuff is actually ok, and that I even really like some of his songs that have clumsy lyrics (When You Open Your Legs is one of my favourite Morrissey songs. The music is great, and the lyrics are pure lovely filth).

But no, if you dare compare Morrissey's work to Morrissey's work (which he does himself), even when comparing recent lyrics to recent lyrics, you're a terrible person, stuck in the past, afraid of "evolution".

It's perfectly OK to critique the work of your favourite artist, even to dislike some of their music (God forbid!). Morrissey himself hasn't always been kind to some of his faves (e.g. Bowie).

Yes legs is a belter.

 

[marred]

Whenever I listen to Jim Jim Falls I can't help but think Morrissey is criticising people who expose everything about their lives in social media: what they are feeling, have done or intend to do in the future. Not necessarily about something specifc.

I could be wrong, though.

That is an interesting angle re social media which you could add to my take and they both work well together as I see it

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

That is an interesting angle re social media which you could add to my take and they both work well together as I see it

Marred, Was wondering what you thought of the live version of Jim Jim Falls he’s been doing recently? as much as I like it live, I kind of prefer the studio version with more of its electronic approach upfront.

 

[Robert Lee]

It’s not bad, it has it’s moments. And as much as I like the chorus, the juxtaposition of the verse into chorus doesn’t sit well with me. It’s an odd one. But better than what follows .. Who Will Protect us From the Police? Yikes! it has to be my least favorite of Morrissey songs, especially when compared to something like Hand In Glove.

The lyrical themes from verse to chorus are a bit far removed from each other on Leggies

I won't hide my love for Low in high school. I love every track. And I can't say that for every Moz album. I do find some enjoyment in every Moz song though, I take comfort in his voice and lyrics.

If I had to give up one Moz song for good. It would be Slum mums because he changes his singing style.

What do you make of the first two tracks on Low in high school? I think they pack a real punch, they rock.

 

[Redacted]

The irony being that in my last message, I very clearly said that some of his more recent stuff is actually ok, and that I even really like some of his songs that have clumsy lyrics (When You Open Your Legs is one of my favourite Morrissey songs. The music is great, and the lyrics are pure lovely filth).

But no, if you dare compare Morrissey's work to Morrissey's work (which he does himself), even when comparing recent lyrics to recent lyrics, you're a terrible person, stuck in the past, afraid of "evolution".

It's perfectly OK to critique the work of your favourite artist, even to dislike some of their music (God forbid!). Morrissey himself hasn't always been kind to some of his faves (e.g. Bowie).

Well, yes, if you don't compare Morrissey's later work to the earlier work it sounds just fine, so I hear
Sorry, I just really hate that song When You Open Your Legs, I think Morrissey is much more interesting when he is alluding to things about that, rather than being vulgar. I love songs like Alsatian Cousin where he very sexily says 'on the desk it where I want you' 'bring me home and have me', things like that. That is one of my favorite songs by him.

 

[marred]

Marred, Was wondering what you thought of the live version of Jim Jim Falls he’s been doing recently? as much as I like it live, I kind of prefer the studio version with more of its electronic approach upfront.

I can't say a live version of Jim Jim Falls is fresh in my mind. I'm sure I've had a listen but I'll bet I prefer the album version by a long shot. I love the techno feel it has. I can't see why they don't play those from the keyboards.

Same goes for Istanbul. I've never heard a live version even come close to the guitar in the album version.

 

[gashonthenail]

Yes legs is a belter.

That's a phrase you don't hear every day!

 

[gashonthenail]

The lyrical themes from verse to chorus are a bit far removed from each other on Leggies

I won't hide my love for Low in high school. I love every track. And I can't say that for every Moz album. I do find some enjoyment in every Moz song though, I take comfort in his voice and lyrics.

If I had to give up one Moz song for good. It would be Slum mums because he changes his singing style.

What do you make of the first two tracks on Low in high school? I think they pack a real punch, they rock.

I have never been taken with LIHS. After the career high of Quarry, I think Ringleader marked a real change in tone and style for Morrissey. I liked Ringleader, but wouldn't say it's an album I love, but have never had much liking for YOR. World Peace saw a bit of a return to form, although only partially, and then LIHS saw a new low musically I think. California Son made me fall in love with Morrissey all over again - what a voice! - and then Dog I thought was a great album. BOT seems to me to be up there with Dog. This is all entirely subjective of course - but LIHS has just never gripped me. I think it's mostly to do with the musical arrangements. I love the chorus of Legs - every thing I know deserts me now...but musically that song doesn't do it for me. If I had to choose though between Morrissey albums pre and including Quarry, and Morrissey albums post Quarry - it would be the former, no question.

 

[Robert Lee]

I have never been taken with LIHS. After the career high of Quarry, I think Ringleader marked a real change in tone and style for Morrissey. I liked Ringleader, but wouldn't say it's an album I love, but have never had much liking for YOR. World Peace saw a bit of a return to form, although only partially, and then LIHS saw a new low musically I think. California Son made me fall in love with Morrissey all over again - what a voice! - and then Dog I thought was a great album. BOT seems to me to be up there with Dog. This is all entirely subjective of course - but LIHS has just never gripped me. I think it's mostly to do with the musical arrangements. I love the chorus of Legs - every thing I know deserts me now...but musically that song doesn't do it for me. If I had to choose though between Morrissey albums pre and including Quarry, and Morrissey albums post Quarry - it would be the former, no question.

Interesting, Quarry I agree is magnificent. It is truly a classic and his last masterpiece in my opinion. And for me his best since Viva hate (Vauxhall runs it close).

I know it really does divide opinion on here. But from what i've heard of BOT which is a lot really, (7 songs of 11 we've had) its shaping up to be a very satisfying listen at the very least.

 

[Robert Lee]

Well, yes, if you don't compare Morrissey's later work to the earlier work it sounds just fine, so I hear
Sorry, I just really hate that song When You Open Your Legs, I think Morrissey is much more interesting when he is alluding to things about that, rather than being vulgar. I love songs like Alsatian Cousin where he very sexily says 'on the desk it where I want you' 'bring me home and have me', things like that. That is one of my favorite songs by him.

Alsatian Cousin is also a belter. Could one class a dog as a cousin though? I agree they are mans best friend.

If Moz wanted a shag on the desk, it would be in his best interest to keep it from the area manager as most companies have a tidy desk policy.

 

[That's Enough For Me]

How could it be selfish to feel all the suffering of the world and opt out? Birth is the source of any problem that could need mitigating. Quite the ponzi scheme to create more problems in the hope of problem solving.

When BrokenFrame say they wish he had never been born, they’re not saying it with malice, just a recognition that he would have been spared a lot of torment. Torment that has culminated in this song; his most explicit call for death.

It's funny how often Moz often calls for death/rest but never schedules time in his diary to die/rest.

It's funny how often he says he has no value, yet keeps taking money off people and exchange for his 'value'.

He's not trying to spare anyone suffering, goodness knows he dishes enough out to those unlucky enough to work with him.

He's keeping all the attention for himself with minimum responsibility.

Meanwhile the marketing of the party line has worked very well on his audience, hence your post.

 

[bhops]

You Are The Quarry lurks somewhere in bottom
3 of his Solo albums. Yeah I said it.