Morrissey Central "Witness To The World" (December 10, 2022)

WITNESS TO THE WORLD - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - WITNESS TO THE WORLD

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

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[Was I ever any good]

Well, language is important. Wouldn't you agree? Perhaps you're happy with sloppy language?

As long as a post is understood ...
then why all of the “ my grammar is better than yours crap”

Why on earth do people feel the need to belittle others if they have missed a comma, or used a verb in the wrong way?
I’m sure Carlislebaz wouldn’t
Have gave a shit

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

This is not exactly true, and this is a really antagonistic post, although through your (falsely) projecting patronizing behavior on someone else, you appear to be pretending that it isn’t. Not only did you not answer a fair question - which would have helped everyone understand better where you’re coming from, but also your original post doesn’t take into consideration under any form the fact that people have different tastes

No. I was reminding you that if you had answered the question, it could have led to a more interesting and more compelling conversation

well, if one looks really hard, then you can see that he seemed to answer it, kind of, in a way. But the whole post really was an attack on me, very strange. Because I was hoping my question posed to him would bring
more conversation on this topic, which I find interesting. Oh well, another day on solo, where healthy discussion is an extremely rare thing indeed.

 

[Robert Lee]

The thing is, Morrissey has shown himself to be capable of transcending the norms: World Peace was fantastic, and Dog was his best album since the simply ace Maladjusted.

Love me some Maladjusted. The lead guitar at the end of Papa Jack. Hair on end stuff.

 

[goinghome]

How on earth can MCentral acknowledging creative responses by fans to the music be a problem? At least those fans have made fans over there across the hall

Beautiful job

 

[NealCassidy]

How's your lyric writing career coming along?

Lol

 

[Self Destruction]

Of course I don’t mind the fact his lyricism has changed, only that its been for the worse. Because many of his songs now—like this or Rebels Without Applause—the meaning of the lyrics either hardly or don’t at all extend past the words they’re using. But if that isn’t any matter of importance to you, then that’s okay. It is me, that’s why I point it out… but only halfheartedly…

 

[MILKISMURDER]

He's such a little drama queen isn't he.

He should try having children. Then his entire album would be called 'Gimmie Rest'

Morrissey has always been too aware of suffering to consign another poor soul into existence. Being the end of the family line is where he and Robert Smith agree.

 

[BrokenFrame]

Morrissey has always been too aware of suffering to consign another poor soul into existence. Being the end of the family line is where he and Robert Smith agree.

They really deserve more credit for things like this.

 

[Ryan]

Really keen to hear the studio version of this + Diana Dors.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Really keen to hear the studio version of this + Diana Dors.

Ha Ha Harlem, sounds most promising.

 

[Ryan]

Ha Ha Harlem, sounds most promising.

Love me some Iggy Pop. I guess I'm so interested in Diana because it's been mentioned for so many years. Kind of a relic.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Love me some Iggy Pop. I guess I'm so interested in Diana because it's been mentioned for so many years. Kind of a relic.

well I hope it meets your expectations.

 

[Anonymous]

I guess I'm so interested in Diana because it's been mentioned for so many years. Kind of a relic.

My hunch is this track has been floating around for so long, that the lyrics might have gone through multiple sets of music - in the same way that 'It's Hard to Walk Tall When You're Small' had multiple versions. I'm guessing whatever emerges on Bonfire won't be the same exact same song as when this was first touted as a lost song, a few decades ago.

 

[Famous when dead]

My hunch is this track has been floating around for so long, that the lyrics might have gone through multiple sets of music - in the same way that 'It's Hard to Walk Tall When You're Small' had multiple versions. I'm guessing whatever emerges on Bonfire won't be the same exact same song as when this was first touted as a lost song, a few decades ago.

The earliest those 'missing' Boorer tracks trace back to is circa 2017 via the BMI entry.
We know some then came to fruition in 2018 (eg: Brow Of My Beloved - all stemming from Chiccarelli's push to record many songs at the time). There's no mention of Diana Dors anywhere prior to 2017.
Regards,
FWD.

 

[Redacted]

Change for the worse is not evolution
His work has suffered, for whatever reason, people just are not as interested in his later career, because it's not as good by any objective comparison

 

[marred]

Why don’t you take a minute and change your moniker name. That’s disgusting to use that word in such a ‘trite’ way. People’s lives have been crushed by loved ones forever, never to get their soul back, because of that word.

I’m ashamed for Morrissey for writing such despicable lyrics as ‘Jim Jim Falls’. I love Morrissey, and what he has done for my life. My life would be forever different if I never heard his voice. But those lyrics and to even sing them doesn’t help anyone. Morrissey, that’s your worst effort ever. And it’s too bad because you wasted a good track with lyrics that are triggering and taken lightly.

******* You’re sick. And if your life has ever been touched by that act, I am forever sorry for you. Truly. But to put that as your name, be better.

David, do the right thing and take it down. Free speech is one thing, but triggering words that are not used in any useful or helpful context can cause misery for some.

I ask this with honest intent, and hope for all.

If you take it literally then yeah Jim Jim Falls could be about suicide but to me he's just using suicide as a metaphor. To me the song is about conviction and determination and the age old practice of seeing something through.

He also sings - "If you're gonna sing then sing just don't talk about it. If you're gonna live then live, don't talk about it..."

In other words if you're going to do something shut the f*** up about it and do it. It's a song about life and death, not just death. Yes there are Morrissey and Smiths songs that can be taken literally at face value but there are a lot like this one that have a lot more going on beneath the surface.

For example to me Girlfriend in a Coma is not a song about one's girlfriend in a coma because that's incredibly boring. To me it's about a relationship where the girl has become lost in her own world and the boyfriend cannot get back to her.

The lyrics to Jim Jim Falls aren't despicable at all. Suicide is a perfectly legitimate subject to sing about. It's not a sacred cow and should be given as much light as an artist wants to give it.

 

[SeniorLife]

If you take it literally then yeah Jim Jim Falls could be about suicide but to me he's just using suicide as a metaphor. To me the song is about conviction and determination and the age old practice of seeing something through.

He also sings - "If you're gonna sing then sing just don't talk about it. If you're gonna live then live, don't talk about it..."

In other words if you're going to do something shut the f*** up about it and do it. It's a song about life and death, not just death. Yes there are Morrissey and Smiths songs that can be taken literally at face value but there are a lot like this one that have a lot more going on beneath the surface.

For example to me Girlfriend in a Coma is not a song about one's girlfriend in a coma because that's incredibly boring. To me it's about a relationship where the girl has become lost in her own world and the boyfriend cannot get back to her.

The lyrics to Jim Jim Falls aren't despicable at all. Suicide is a perfectly legitimate subject to sing about. It's not a sacred cow and should be given as much light as an artist wants to give it.

Thank you for your well thought out and wonderfully expressed thoughts. I believe the song could definitely be more complex at heart than just the ’word’ or the ‘act’.

Morrissey is a complex person. I just find it distasteful that when he sings it, he sings it so non-chalantly. And I do believe the song runs deeper as you say and can be about the notion if you’re going to do something, just 4king do it.

Maybe I just have too much skin on this cat. It’s such a sacred topic to some, whose lives’ have been ruined forever by the act.

I certainly appreciate a well thought out response that doesn’t involve attacking one‘s character or post.

This may have been one of those times where I write the letter and put it in the drawer for 24 hours and if I still want to send it, then send it.

Be thankful and healthy and safe all, and rejoice in his Masters Voice while we still have it …..

 

[Eldritch]

Ha Ha Harlem, sounds most promising.

Well, to me it sounds like it could be yet another example of Morrissey's worst tendencies -- like Kerouac's Crack. A throw-away pun around which he quickly creates a throw-away lyric. I can imagine the lyric being "ha ha harlem" sung umptillion times plus throwaway lines about life in Harlem googled from Wikipedia.

But of course it's only a title. When the tracklist was announced I put my hopes on "Sure Enough" and "Saint". One of them is a Moz classic, the other is one of the all-time lows. So who knows.

 

[marred]

Thank you for your well thought out and wonderfully expressed thoughts. I believe the song could definitely be more complex at heart than just the ’word’ or the ‘act’.

Morrissey is a complex person. I just find it distasteful that when he sings it, he sings it so non-chalantly. And I do believe the song runs deeper as you say and can be about the notion if you’re going to do something, just 4king do it.

Maybe I just have too much skin on this cat. It’s such a sacred topic to some, whose lives’ have been ruined forever by the act.

I certainly appreciate a well thought out response that doesn’t involve attacking one‘s character or post.

This may have been one of those times where I write the letter and put it in the drawer for 24 hours and if I still want to send it, then send it.

Be thankful and healthy and safe all, and rejoice in his Masters Voice while we still have it …..

No worries at all. Most people have been touched by suicide to varying degrees. I wasn't suggesting you should see the song this way. It's just how I see it and it's a powerful tonic if taken that way in my opinion. Art must transform whether the artist intended it that way or whether it happens via the audiences' perception. In some ways the artist can be both the actual artist and the audience.

In other news I'm happy to hear Morrissey has already booked studio time for his next album and has Joe Chicarrelli on board. Regardless of when or whether BOT comes out or not it is positive news. How some on here can see it as a negative is beyond me.

 

[Johnny]

I think it's beautiful.