Morrissey Central "We Have All The Time In The World" (June 6, 2024)

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"We have all the time in the world". I hope these words are a sign that I will really get to see him. I'm so aware of last chances now. There's a book called "Die with Zero" where the point is made that we have so many last occasions of doing things (ie mini deaths) in our lives, and most of the time we are not aware that that is the last time we will do something. The author gives the example of reading a child a bedtime story, and says that on the last occasion it is done, the parent is usually not aware that it is the last time. (Irrelevant to the thread, I know, but I didn't want to just let the idea dangle).
 
"We have all the time in the world". I hope these words are a sign that I will really get to see him. I'm so aware of last chances now. There's a book called "Die with Zero" where the point is made that we have so many last occasions of doing things (ie mini deaths) in our lives, and most of the time we are not aware that that is the last time we will do something. The author gives the example of reading a child a bedtime story, and says that on the last occasion it is done, the parent is usually not aware that it is the last time. (Irrelevant to the thread, I know, but I didn't want to just let the idea dangle).

Love that. Poignant.

I've always found memento mori's useful along the way.

It's been noted that each song on Ringleader is a memento mori. Of course, much of M's other work could also be viewed as such.

One memento mori that repeatedly springs to mind for me, is the phrase Et In Arcadia Ego. First brought to my attention in Brideshead Revisited, but I then discovered its varied history.

One example being this painting:


The literal translation of "Et in Arcadia Ego" is "Even in Arcadia, there am I". Poussin's earliest biographer, Giovanni Pietro Bellori, understood the 'I' of the phrase to refer to Death, thus making the painting a memento mori, reminding the viewer that even in the blissful utopia of Arcadia, death still exists. Another biographer, André Félibien, interpreted the 'I' to refer to the occupant of the tomb, but still took the overall meaning of the painting to be a reminder that death is present even in idyllic Arcadia.
 
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Dejese llevar por sus tonterías condescendientes. Deja que Ashley se divierta, en lugar de intentar hacerla caer en la miseria que exudas en estos foros.

Personalmente, me alegra ver a Morrissey de regreso con un par de shows, la reedición de Beethoven Was Deaf y (con suerte) el lanzamiento de un nuevo álbum pronto.
SH SH NO VALE LA PENA NI CONTESTARTE GIL SH SH
 
"We have all the time in the world". I hope these words are a sign that I will really get to see him. I'm so aware of last chances now. There's a book called "Die with Zero" where the point is made that we have so many last occasions of doing things (ie mini deaths) in our lives, and most of the time we are not aware that that is the last time we will do something. The author gives the example of reading a child a bedtime story, and says that on the last occasion it is done, the parent is usually not aware that it is the last time. (Irrelevant to the thread, I know, but I didn't want to just let the idea dangle).
I think about this stuff nonstop - not my death, but those I love, like my parents - and it’s really doing my head in. 😔

If you’ve never seen him, I can tell you it’s like nothing in the world. He is feeling much better and he’s optimistic and positive right now. I feel he will add more dates. ❤️
 
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My kids will be listening to music with me and going to concerts for sure!! 🥰 Family time!

brummie take a pic of you wearing your swiftie t-shirt and bung it on here.she is starting with 3 nights in edinburgh starting tonight,its pissing where i am so they better hope it clears up.

oooh girl…. SAME!!! Lol! Can’t even wait anymore. Mozzy floats my everrrrrything! 😃

@gordyboy9 😆 I wore a TOOL t-shirt to the TS show on Saturday night at Murrayfield. The TS crowd are even more bonkers than the TOOL army these days!

I'm stuck here in a motel at Abington trying to repair my brain. Strangest, scariest gig evva!! If your family-friends going going to Anfield...beware...be prepared...it's mayhem.

You can't hear TS sing - too much atonal audience screaming...wish they'd offer 'silent disco-noise cancellation ear- headphones' ticket option at gigs.

I will be doing that at my future planned shows...*wink emoji*



On the 25 bus back to Hermiston park'n'ride I jotted notes:

Taylor Swift. The Eras Tour?
Don't believe the hype.
It's 50% shite, 25% alright & 25% of sheer brilliance with a blistering finale- a bass heavy dub reimagining of the 'Midnights' album, her best work by far.

Some shocking nonsense. Panto choreographing, hamming up the dialogue.

Audience were like a cinema full of zombies watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Her audience has changed as she's ascended to this bizarre global, religious Fame.

Audience 30% delusional, drunk women and The Gays screeching like fcukin banshees. It was the biggest Hen Party-Pride rally I've ever witnessed.

Pavlovian call and response on the hits- made me wanna vomit.

She's a genius songwriter but has turned into a Butlins musical theatre trainee nightmare - with risible stagecraft, exaggerated expressions for the bleacher cheap seats and loadsa insincere "Scotland we love you!" banter.

Fcukin get it together Taylor...

Ashley: we were glad our kids are adults because there were a lot of scared tween girls held tight by Daddy as the crowd surged as the show began. Never used to be like this at TS gigs...

Vesper. I hope you get what your heart desires!

Now, down to Manchester for Beth Gibbons and then back to E'bro for...Beth Gibbons...

Best

BB
 
Love that. Poignant.

I've always found memento mori's useful along the way.

It's been noted that each song on Ringleader is a memento mori. Of course, much of M's other work could also be viewed as such.

One memento mori that repeatedly springs to mind for me, is the phrase Et In Arcadia Ego. First brought to my attention in Brideshead Revisited, but I then discovered its varied history.

One example being this painting:


The literal translation of "Et in Arcadia Ego" is "Even in Arcadia, there am I". Poussin's earliest biographer, Giovanni Pietro Bellori, understood the 'I' of the phrase to refer to Death, thus making the painting a memento mori, reminding the viewer that even in the blissful utopia of Arcadia, death still exists. Another biographer, André Félibien, interpreted the 'I' to refer to the occupant of the tomb, but still took the overall meaning of the painting to be a reminder that death is present even in idyllic Arcadia.
Superb comment and reference.

I agree with you about all of this. What's fascinating is the dichotomy whereby Morrissey cleary seems to grasp transience in his Art yet his comments on Commerce reveal an entirely banal preoccupation with the minutiae of meaningless petty business squabbles.

I live on the doorstep of the Maresfield Estate where Waugh partied and planned Brideshead. I'd forgotten this reference so thanks for the refresh.

Best
BB
 
@gordyboy9 😆 I wore a TOOL t-shirt to the TS show on Saturday night at Murrayfield. The TS crowd are even more bonkers than the TOOL army these days!

I'm stuck here in a motel at Abington trying to repair my brain. Strangest, scariest gig evva!! If your family-friends going going to Anfield...beware...be prepared...it's mayhem.

You can't hear TS sing - too much atonal audience screaming...wish they'd offer 'silent disco-noise cancellation ear- headphones' ticket option at gigs.

I will be doing that at my future planned shows...*wink emoji*



On the 25 bus back to Hermiston park'n'ride I jotted notes:

Taylor Swift. The Eras Tour?
Don't believe the hype.
It's 50% shite, 25% alright & 25% of sheer brilliance with a blistering finale- a bass heavy dub reimagining of the 'Midnights' album, her best work by far.

Some shocking nonsense. Panto choreographing, hamming up the dialogue.

Audience were like a cinema full of zombies watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Her audience has changed as she's ascended to this bizarre global, religious Fame.

Audience 30% delusional, drunk women and The Gays screeching like fcukin banshees. It was the biggest Hen Party-Pride rally I've ever witnessed.

Pavlovian call and response on the hits- made me wanna vomit.

She's a genius songwriter but has turned into a Butlins musical theatre trainee nightmare - with risible stagecraft, exaggerated expressions for the bleacher cheap seats and loadsa insincere "Scotland we love you!" banter.

Fcukin get it together Taylor...

Ashley: we were glad our kids are adults because there were a lot of scared tween girls held tight by Daddy as the crowd surged as the show began. Never used to be like this at TS gigs...

Vesper. I hope you get what your heart desires!

Now, down to Manchester for Beth Gibbons and then back to E'bro for...Beth Gibbons...

Best

BB

seen a few buses going from my town,never seen so much glitter,least the shows went well.
 
seen a few buses going from my town,never seen so much glitter,least the shows went well.
...the show is...lots of things...but...I like her songwriter skills and couldn't understand or cope with the 'mass consciousness event' stuff...it really isn't like The Beatles footage at Shea Stadium because it lacks that innocence. The 'parasocial psychosis' she's engineering could get out of hand for her...a woman near us was screaming "Taylor, you're a billionaire! You deserve it!"...over and over again...nutso...tbf she was ruthless in getting security to do the crowd safety stuff...I just think she's sorta like a female Elvis -MJ now and her tours are quasi-religious manias...maybe my expectations are unrealistic....who the FcUK would write a lyric like this?

'“I'm always drunk on my own tears, isn't that what they all said?
That I'll sue you if you step on my lawn.
That I'm fearsome and I'm wretched ad I'm wrong.
Put narcotics into all of my songs
and that's why you're still singin' along.
”'

Maybe the occult conspiracy theorists are onto something...lolzapaloopa! 🤔

Is Taylor summoning 😈?
 
seen a few buses going from my town,never seen so much glitter,least the shows went well.

as before, with Tiffany, then Britney, there will always be another Swift being manufactured in the wings.
 
@gordyboy9 😆 I wore a TOOL t-shirt to the TS show on Saturday night at Murrayfield. The TS crowd are even more bonkers than the TOOL army these days!

I'm stuck here in a motel at Abington trying to repair my brain. Strangest, scariest gig evva!! If your family-friends going going to Anfield...beware...be prepared...it's mayhem.

You can't hear TS sing - too much atonal audience screaming...wish they'd offer 'silent disco-noise cancellation ear- headphones' ticket option at gigs.

I will be doing that at my future planned shows...*wink emoji*



On the 25 bus back to Hermiston park'n'ride I jotted notes:

Taylor Swift. The Eras Tour?
Don't believe the hype.
It's 50% shite, 25% alright & 25% of sheer brilliance with a blistering finale- a bass heavy dub reimagining of the 'Midnights' album, her best work by far.

Some shocking nonsense. Panto choreographing, hamming up the dialogue.

Audience were like a cinema full of zombies watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Her audience has changed as she's ascended to this bizarre global, religious Fame.

Audience 30% delusional, drunk women and The Gays screeching like fcukin banshees. It was the biggest Hen Party-Pride rally I've ever witnessed.

Pavlovian call and response on the hits- made me wanna vomit.

She's a genius songwriter but has turned into a Butlins musical theatre trainee nightmare - with risible stagecraft, exaggerated expressions for the bleacher cheap seats and loadsa insincere "Scotland we love you!" banter.

Fcukin get it together Taylor...

Ashley: we were glad our kids are adults because there were a lot of scared tween girls held tight by Daddy as the crowd surged as the show began. Never used to be like this at TS gigs...

Vesper. I hope you get what your heart desires!

Now, down to Manchester for Beth Gibbons and then back to E'bro for...Beth Gibbons...

Best

BB

Oh Scrummers, you’re such a pussycat. Well, thank you. We shall see how life will continue to unfold, because my heart definitely desires it all!
 
Superb comment and reference.

I agree with you about all of this. What's fascinating is the dichotomy whereby Morrissey cleary seems to grasp transience in his Art yet his comments on Commerce reveal an entirely banal preoccupation with the minutiae of meaningless petty business squabbles.

I live on the doorstep of the Maresfield Estate where Waugh partied and planned Brideshead. I'd forgotten this reference so thanks for the refresh.

Best
BB

I know what you mean about Morrissey, but we are all guilty of being caught up in Maya to whatever extent. There are so many distractions in the material world, and they are vastly multiplied when you are rich and famous. It must be very difficult to get away from, and I imagine, a source of constant frustration.

Fame and fortune also intensify the identification with an ego (and one's attachments to all that exists outside ourselves)

I do think he struggles with the concept of death (and it is only natural to do so), but particularly so since the loss of his mother.

In relation to her passing he said the following:

"When someone you love above all others dies, you are certain that no more meaning can be left, and this is true. Death is a disgusting arrangement, and grief is a disgusting arrangement, and whoever thought it brought order and meaning to life is worse than useless. Life has too many burdens. Who is looking after us?"

However, as per that Alan Watts video I posted, it is possible to reshape our ideas about death - whether our own death or someone else's. After all, we are encased in human bodies that will inevitably decay. That is a difficult thing to reconcile.

But as the Dalai Lama said - pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

That's not to say we don't (or shouldn't) grieve death, but just that we reframe it.

Here is another video on the same topic, if anyone has the time.

 
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who the FcUK would write a lyric like this?

'“I'm always drunk on my own tears, isn't that what they all said?
That I'll sue you if you step on my lawn.
That I'm fearsome and I'm wretched ad I'm wrong.
Put narcotics into all of my songs
and that's why you're still singin' along.”'

Maybe the occult conspiracy theorists are onto something...lolzapaloopa! 🤔

Is Taylor summoning 😈?
A lot of these new "musicians" have been writing very strange, occult-like lyrics lately. Seem to be a lot of weird hidden meanings behind them. I don't know if it's just a trend right now, but my conspiracy brain light starts to flicker. Oh wait, it's only the Hollywood cult. Seems to be something strange going on over there...
 
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