Morrissey Central "'UMM, MORRISSEY JUST ISN’T DIVERSE ENOUGH FOR OUR LABEL …" (December 6, 2024)

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[ACTON]

Paul Weller quit drinking in 2010. Since then, he’s released 7 albums via 3 different labels, 3 of which got to number 1. He’s the same age as Moz, and regularly speaks out against the Israeli bombing of Gaza. Gagged? No. Sober? Yes. Moz should have a look at himself

Weller is a bitter twat. Look at what he said about Robert Smith.

“Really??!” the singer-songwriter continued. “I can’t f***ing stand them. f***ing fat c***, with his lipstick and all that bollocks. He is my age as well, isn’t he?”

Weller added: “He’s a f***ing knob end. I don’t like him. There you go. There’s someone I would work with. I’d f***ing slap him, or something.”

Totally uncalled for personal attack. At least Moz tries to be funny with his withering put-downs. Weller is just disgusting and I don't ever feel like listening to his music anymore.

 

[DaveJCarr]

I don't think Moz ever thought of them as 'radical' opinions. I think he just thinks they are opinions that most people have - but you're not allowed to say. Human opinions. Against an inhuman system. And people may indeed be voting for these opinions across many countries - but they are doing so in the face of a pretty much blanket message on legacy media telling them to vote for the opposite. And any politicians wanting to make any real change will do so in the face of that same legacy media and the entire deep state 'blob' that wants one thing only - to maintain the globalist, corporatist status quo. Trump will come up against a brick wall very quickly. A bulldozer will be needed - while his enemies will do everything they can to distract him in side-shows, as they did last time with impeachment etc. And let's not forget, of course, that the UK currently languishes under a Stalinist dystopia, complete with political prisoners and journalists arrested. The idea that the battle has been 'won', is very premature.

Since when has any artist needed legacy media anyway? The power of those instructions are crumbling. Morrissey can sit down with the telegraph or a podcaster any time he wants and have a chummy pleasant and fawning conversation, and name and shame whomever he dems guilty. If he does that plenty of folks will also find that mind numbing and self aggrandizing, but so what? That the same as it ever was. And at least it's honest and forthright

politicians keep getting elected in spite of what the supposedly all-powerful legacy media has to say, so neither the rightward artist, nor the politician has any excuse.

What Morrissey wants is the feting of the crumbling legacy media, in headlines, interviews, plum record contracts, chart positions, and still maintain his ambitious outsider mystique. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. So, we got these aggrieved martyr posts on central as opposed to you know, action in terms of new releases, substantive interviews or whatever.

If the shows themselves were enough to hook the kind of deal he wants, he'd have one by now, but as much as the antecedes h have enjoyed them, the shows have not moved the beadle

 

[Uncleskinny]

I don't think Moz ever thought of them as 'radical' opinions. I think he just thinks they are opinions that most people have - but you're not allowed to say. Human opinions. Against an inhuman system. And people may indeed be voting for these opinions across many countries - but they are doing so in the face of a pretty much blanket message on legacy media telling them to vote for the opposite. And any politicians wanting to make any real change will do so in the face of that same legacy media and the entire deep state 'blob' that wants one thing only - to maintain the globalist, corporatist status quo. Trump will come up against a brick wall very quickly. A bulldozer will be needed - while his enemies will do everything they can to distract him in side-shows, as they did last time with impeachment etc. And let's not forget, of course, that the UK currently languishes under a Stalinist dystopia, complete with political prisoners and journalists arrested. The idea that the battle has been 'won', is very premature.

Yes. But where does it get him? Spouting opinions that 'most people have', as you say, where has it got him? Does it get him a record deal where he doesn't have to spend his own money? It does not.

People vote with their wallets against opinions they don't agree with. That is the top and bottom of it.

 

[Mike Thomas]

I think it obviously isn’t about money. Because if it was just about money an artist like Morrissey could put his unreleased albums on a music site like Bandcamp. Selling 100,000 copies on a site like that would be more profitable than selling a million copies signed on a major label. I think it has to do with his pride. He probably feels that his 40 plus year career in the industry means he shouldn’t have anything but a major deal because he’s earned it. He probably thinks of it like a 60 year old Bowie not being able to get signed. The difference however is that Bowie was a gigantic pop star in the 1970’s. Other than a bit of rotation on MTV in the 1990’s with tracks like Tomorrow, and The more you ignore me.. and The Smiths being hailed in the music press for being so influential Moz has just been a kind of niche artist. The days of kids lining up around the block for a meet and greet circa 1991 in front of Tower records are over. People just aren’t as passionate about music the way they used to be when you now have so many modern day entertainment options like the internet,streaming tele/movies, and video games. But let’s face it the clock is ticking. He might have ten good years left of preforming and recording. Just find a way to release the two albums already, otherwise the rabid fan base he does still have left will become bored and uninterested. There’s only so many times one is going to shell out their hard earned money to basically see the same exact shows with more or less the same exact set lists, set designs etc…

 

[Uncleskinny]

I think it obviously isn’t about money. Because if it was just about money an artist like Morrissey could put his unreleased albums on a music site like Bandcamp. Selling 100,000 copies on a site like that would be more profitable than selling a million copies signed on a major label. I think it has to do with his pride. He probably feels that his 40 plus year career in the industry means he shouldn’t have anything but a major deal because he’s earned it. He probably thinks of it like a 60 year old Bowie not being able to get signed. The difference however is that Bowie was a gigantic pop star in the 1970’s. Other than a bit of rotation on MTV in the 1990’s with tracks like Tomorrow, and The more you ignore me.. and The Smiths being hailed in the music press for being so influential Moz has just been a kind of niche artist. The days of kids lining up around the block for a meet and greet circa 1991 in front of Tower records are over. People just aren’t as passionate about music the way they used to be when you now have so many modern day entertainment options like the internet,streaming tele/movies, and video games. But let’s face it the clock is ticking. He might have ten good years left of preforming and recording. Just find a way to release the two albums already, otherwise the rabid fan base he does still have left will become bored and uninterested. There’s only so many times one is going to shell out their hard earned money to basically see the same exact shows with more or less the same exact set lists, set designs etc…

I think you're missing the point about WHO'S money here. He doesn't like to spend his own money. He wants to spend other people's money to bolster his flagging career. No one wants to do it. No one wants to give him a deal with all the attendant risks that are well documented. It's a money game.

 

[Mike Thomas]

I think you're missing the point about WHO'S money here. He doesn't like to spend his own money. He wants to spend other people's money to bolster his flagging career. No one wants to do it. No one wants to give him a deal with all the attendant risks that are well documented. It's a money game.

I’m an independent singer/songwriter that has released ten albums on Bandcamp. The site is literally free to create a page and upload your songs and albums. For a guy reportedly worth close to 50 million ,$100,000 to spend recording a professional album is nothing and he would easily recoup his investment. It’s not like Moz is one of those wealthy guys with a warehouse in his back garden filled with expensive exotic cars. Moz’s life is his art and music. We’ve heard the man himself in countless interviews over the years talk about how he really doesn’t do anything but his music. I don’t buy the he wants the label to use their money verses his argument. It’s never been easier and cheaper today to record your own music and have it sound just as professional as some Beyoncé album that a major label sunk a bunch of money into. He’s never been that kind of artist anyway. Times have changed. For a brief period in the late 80’s to mid 90’s guitar based music got its due in the mainstream under the blanket of Alternative rock. Sadly those days are over and labels would rather have yes men and women artists, like we are being bombarded with today like the Olivia Rodrigues and Taylor Swift type pop that permeates the mainstream today. He should be grateful at his age that he is still able to book theaters. There are many artist his age who have either stopped playing altogether or they are lucky to fill 250-500 capacity small clubs. If you want us to keep coming to your shows swallow your pride and just find an alternative way to release the two albums!

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I think it obviously isn’t about money. Because if it was just about money an artist like Morrissey could put his unreleased albums on a music site like Bandcamp. Selling 100,000 copies on a site like that would be more profitable than selling a million copies signed on a major label. I think it has to do with his pride. He probably feels that his 40 plus year career in the industry means he shouldn’t have anything but a major deal because he’s earned it. He probably thinks of it like a 60 year old Bowie not being able to get signed. The difference however is that Bowie was a gigantic pop star in the 1970’s. Other than a bit of rotation on MTV in the 1990’s with tracks like Tomorrow, and The more you ignore me.. and The Smiths being hailed in the music press for being so influential Moz has just been a kind of niche artist.

yep.

The days of kids lining up around the block for a meet and greet circa 1991 in front of Tower records are over. People just aren’t as passionate about music the way they used to be when you now have so many modern day entertainment options like the internet,streaming tele/movies, and video games.

yep, unfortunately.

But let’s face it the clock is ticking. He might have ten good years left of preforming and recording. Just find a way to release the two albums already, otherwise the rabid fan base he does still have left will become bored and uninterested. There’s only so many times one is going to shell out their hard earned money to basically see the same exact shows with more or less the same exact set lists, set designs etc…

I don’t think that’s true. For the passion is so inbuilt. As long as the rabid still have ears, they will be interested in hearing what he has to offer, regardless of his setlists and other actions that may not cater to a fan’s wishes or futile demands expressed on the internet.

 

[ACTON]

Exactly right. Apart from an anti monarchy comment he made years ago Smith pretty much keeps quiet and quiet is easy to manage.

For decades Robert Smith has been vocal in interviews about bands he hates and the pointlessness of religion. To the point where his wife Mary asked him to stop always slagging off bands. Robert Smith is reserved and not the type to ram his views down people's throats. I wish more 'artists' were like him.

 

[gordyboy9]

Weller is a bitter twat. Look at what he said about Robert Smith.

“Really??!” the singer-songwriter continued. “I can’t f***ing stand them. f***ing fat c***, with his lipstick and all that bollocks. He is my age as well, isn’t he?”

Weller added: “He’s a f***ing knob end. I don’t like him. There you go. There’s someone I would work with. I’d f***ing slap him, or something.”

Totally uncalled for personal attack. At least Moz tries to be funny with his withering put-downs. Weller is just disgusting and I don't ever feel like listening to his music anymore.

and he hates scots,jim kerr of simple minds said weller would talk to everybody and ignore any scottish groups at top of the pops.

 

[gordyboy9]

Yes. But where does it get him? Spouting opinions that 'most people have', as you say, where has it got him? Does it get him a record deal where he doesn't have to spend his own money? It does not.

People vote with their wallets against opinions they don't agree with. That is the top and bottom of it.

the whole point of a record deal is the record company pays for the recording and promotion and they get their money back in record sales.

both his albums are finished so a record company wouldnt need to pay for studio time.

 

[gordyboy9]

I’m an independent singer/songwriter that has released ten albums on Bandcamp. The site is literally free to create a page and upload your songs and albums. For a guy reportedly worth close to 50 million ,$100,000 to spend recording a professional album is nothing and he would easily recoup his investment. It’s not like Moz is one of those wealthy guys with a warehouse in his back garden filled with expensive exotic cars. Moz’s life is his art and music. We’ve heard the man himself in countless interviews over the years talk about how he really doesn’t do anything but his music. I don’t buy the he wants the label to use their money verses his argument. It’s never been easier and cheaper today to record your own music and have it sound just as professional as some Beyoncé album that a major label sunk a bunch of money into. He’s never been that kind of artist anyway. Times have changed. For a brief period in the late 80’s to mid 90’s guitar based music got its due in the mainstream under the blanket of Alternative rock. Sadly those days are over and labels would rather have yes men and women artists, like we are being bombarded with today like the Olivia Rodrigues and Taylor Swift type pop that permeates the mainstream today. He should be grateful at his age that he is still able to book theaters. There are many artist his age who have either stopped playing altogether or they are lucky to fill 250-500 capacity small clubs. If you want us to keep coming to your shows swallow your pride and just find an alternative way to release the two albums!

well said mike,the world has changed and M will need to bite the bullet and get his arse into gear and get these albums out.
you were right about female artists ,my daughter got tickets for lana del ray at hampden in glasgow,50,000 seats gone in minutes.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

For decades Robert Smith has been vocal in interviews about bands he hates and the pointlessness of religion. To the point where his wife Mary asked him to stop always slagging off bands. Robert Smith is reserved and not the type to ram his views down people's throats. I wish more 'artists' were like him.

These numbskulls seem to believe that there is a value in being a gobshite in and of itself, and if you’re not, you’re some sort of establishment puppet. There are no nuances with these people. The idea that some people just don’t f***ing want to run their mouth about anything and everything in interviews has never occurred to them.

 

[ACTON]

well said mike,the world has changed and M will need to bite the bullet and get his arse into gear and get these albums out.
you were right about female artists ,my daughter got tickets for lana del ray at hampden in glasgow,50,000 seats gone in minutes.

You did well. Mine nearly scalped me when I couldn't get her LDelR tickets for Dublin. I tried two mornings early. Fek those huge artists. Gimme Moz any day.

I don't remember losing out on Moz tickets since his Ringleader 3 nighter in Dublin (I got the first night where the band couldn't be arsed testing the audio prior to the gig, Moz himself apologised for the sound. Tony Visconti was there. For Kristeen Young's support slot I had to pour beer into my ears to numb the pain). Missed out on later nights. Skumbag touts were selling tickets for later nights and got insulted when I refused to pay more than face value.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

And no, Morrissey isn’t saying things that we’re all thinking. And there is no ‘deep state’. You conspiratorial, tinfoil-hat-wearing, gullible, pathetic, paranoid, far-right-propaganda-devouring f***ing MORONS. God! Your idiocy is limitless!!






Jesus, forgive me!

 

[Cornflakes]

and he hates scots,jim kerr of simple minds said weller would talk to everybody and ignore any scottish groups at top of the pops.

This caused me to do a Google, and it turned out quite well as Googles go.

Paul Weller and Jim Kerr were on TOTP together once, 24/11/83. There was only one Scottish group on the bill, who were Simple Minds. So it's possibly true that he ignored all the Scottish groups, but maybe not because they were Scottish.

But guess what else! The Smiths were on! So, while he was ignoring Simple Minds, he was swearing at Morrissey about flowers, according to Morrissey.

What's more, this exact episode is...

...currently on iPlayer.

 

[goinghome]

I’m an independent singer/songwriter that has released ten albums on Bandcamp. The site is literally free to create a page and upload your songs and albums. For a guy reportedly worth close to 50 million ,$100,000 to spend recording a professional album is nothing and he would easily recoup his investment. It’s not like Moz is one of those wealthy guys with a warehouse in his back garden filled with expensive exotic cars. Moz’s life is his art and music. We’ve heard the man himself in countless interviews over the years talk about how he really doesn’t do anything but his music. I don’t buy the he wants the label to use their money verses his argument. It’s never been easier and cheaper today to record your own music and have it sound just as professional as some Beyoncé album that a major label sunk a bunch of money into. He’s never been that kind of artist anyway. Times have changed. For a brief period in the late 80’s to mid 90’s guitar based music got its due in the mainstream under the blanket of Alternative rock. Sadly those days are over and labels would rather have yes men and women artists, like we are being bombarded with today like the Olivia Rodrigues and Taylor Swift type pop that permeates the mainstream today. He should be grateful at his age that he is still able to book theaters. There are many artist his age who have either stopped playing altogether or they are lucky to fill 250-500 capacity small clubs. If you want us to keep coming to your shows swallow your pride and just find an alternative way to release the two albums!

Are you disappointed with how the streaming companies treat you? Reports are not glowing e.g. https://www.honest-broker.com/p/why-are-huge-tech-companies-getting

 

[goinghome]

What do you call an underwater town made up of multi-ethnic scuba instructors?​

Diversity...

 

[Johnnie Ray]

well said mike,the world has changed and M will need to bite the bullet and get his arse into gear and get these albums out.
you were right about female artists ,my daughter got tickets for lana del ray at hampden in glasgow,50,000 seats gone in minutes.

What happened to the seats? Where will people sit? Hey-O!

 

[Anonymous]

 

[Mike Thomas]

yep.

yep, unfortunately.


I don’t think that’s true. For the passion is so inbuilt. As long as the rabid still have ears, they will be interested in hearing what he has to offer, regardless of his setlists and other actions that may not cater to a fan’s wishes or futile demands expressed on the internet.

I never said that rabid fans will loose interest with what he has to offer. I just feel like he needs to share that new music instead of just playing the more or less same exact shows/setlists over and over. If he’s only going to tour from now on mix it up a bit. Anything, maybe do a leg of intimate acoustic unplugged shows, something different. As a fan I just feel like at this point I don’t need to hear how soon is now live for the 10,000 time. Besides most people going to his shows are there because they are rabid fanatics. You either get his music or you don’t. W

Are you disappointed with how the streaming companies treat you? Reports are not glowing e.g. https://www.honest-broker.com/p/why

And no, Morrissey isn’t saying things that we’re all thinking. And there is no ‘deep state’. You conspiratorial, tinfoil-hat-wearing, gullible, pathetic, paranoid, far-right-propaganda-devouring f***ing MORONS. God! Your idiocy is limitless!!






Jesus, forgive me!

“If voting really mattered, it wouldn’t be allowed “.-Mark Twain-Circa 1850’s.