Morrissey interview + Polaroid photo in German Spiegel magazine

"Ich bin für Klartext" - Spiegel Online

(Excerpt before paywall via Google Translate)

Morrissey's worldview "I'm for plain text"

"Morrissey praises the Brexit referendum, defends Kevin Spacey and calls Berlin a "rape capital" because of its open borders. seriously?"

Whether the Briton Steven Patrick Morrissey, 58, a musician just Morrissey calls, now Genius is or Schrat, self-actor or choleric poet, will probably never settle final. Certainly the man from Manchester, who became famous in the eighties as a singer of pop band The Smiths, is a great eccentric of pop. Whether concert or interview, he maintains the pose of the diva. The meeting took place on the occasion of his new album "Low in High School" in Los Angeles; It was arranged at very short notice and then postponed several times, domination gestures want to be maintained. After all, Morrissey is ready to talk. However, the photographer is referred by one of his managers rude of the room: "Get out of my hotel!" The Polaroid photo was taken by the interviewer.

An interview with Juliane Liebert

SPIEGEL: Mr Morrissey, in your new song "Spent the Day in Bed", you recommend that you no longer see any news. A serious proposal?

Morrissey: Yes. People should stop doing so for their own sanity. You have to stop. The news is just social engineering, and it's about control, not information. There are no more messages. Only control.

SPIEGEL: That sounds like Trump's fake news, but you just spoke out against Trump at a concert.

Morrissey: Trump has received so much attention, especially when compared to other candidates - Bernie Sanders, for example. Although the media said he will not win, every day, all the headlines: Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump! The American media helped Trump, yes, they first created it. Whether they criticize him or laugh at him, he does not care, he just wants to see his picture and his name. The American media have shot themselves in the leg. Since he was in power, he has exhausted the world. He grabs after everything like a little child. He is not a leader. He is a vermin. A huge vermin.

SPIEGEL: Do you think that he will be re-elected?

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Full transcript (Google Translate to English), original German text posted by Cornflakes

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Media coverage:

• Morrissey Defends Kevin Spacey, Calls the Accusations Against Him ‘Ridiculous’ - IndieWire. Link posted by No1uno.
  
• Morrissey Defends Kevin Spacey And Harvey Weinstein, Saying Victims Should’ve Known What Could Happen - Stereogum. Link posted by an anonymous person.
• Morrissey had some dumb shit to say in defense of Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein - Consequence of Sound. Link posted by Famous when dead.
  
• Morrissey Appears To Victim Blame Those Allegedly Sexually Abused By Kevin Spacey And Harvey Weinstein - UPROXX. Link posted by Famous when dead.
• Morrissey calls Kevin Spacey claims 'not credible' in latest attempt to say something controversial - International Business Times. Link posted by Brummieboy.
  
• Morrissey comments on Hollywood sexual abuse scandal, says some victims are 'just disappointed' - The Independent. Link posted by an anonymous person.
  
• Shirley Manson (Garbage) Attacks Morrissey For Defending K.Spacey & H.Weinstein - Alternative Nation - Nov. 19, 2017
  
• Morrissey defends Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein - BBC News. Link posted by Famous when dead (original post). Excerpt:
  
  The BBC contacted Morrissey's representatives for a response to Der Spiegel's report, but were informed he would not be making any further comments.
  
• UK politician Leanne Wood weighs in Morrissey position over Spacey accusations - Nov. 20, 2017
  
• Morrissey's fans are not happy about his Kevin Spacey comments - mic.com - Nov. 21, 2017
  
• Morrissey says Der Spiegel last print interview he will do; suggests words weren't said - Nov. 26, 2017
• Morrissey: I'd Kill Donald Trump for the 'Safety of Humanity' - Breitbart, NME, Washington Times - Nov. 27, 2017
  
• Juliane Liebert (Der Spiegel interviewer): "The recording [of the interview] is available" - Nov. 28, 2017
• Morrissey statement: "The Slander System" (via FB Morrissey Official) - Dec. 11, 2017
• Der Spiegel audio "to be released in the next days" - Juliane Liebert tweet - Dec. 11, 2017
• Der Spiegel audio file of Morrissey interview released - Dec. 12, 2017
  
• "Oh Sigh" - Morrissey Central posts link to Der Spiegel fraudulent journalist Claas Relotius - Dec. 20, 2018
  
• styxhexenhammer666 video on Der Spiegel journalist fraud - link posted on Morrissey Central - Dec. 23, 2018
  

 

[Shyness 1s nice]

Not at all, Sharia Law is a long way off. But my worry is the 23,000 potential jihadis in the UK and the child grooming case in Rotherham which is about 8 mile away from me, there was the Rochdale case too.

Maybe I am as mixed up as Morrissey as I voted for Corbyn but I still think Farage speaks at least some sense at times. To deny there is a problem is to be a lefty for the sake of being a lefty.

Don't forget the known jihadis. I felt sick to my stomach to see one was being housed a few doors away from a primary school, oh but the police outside the front door meant nothing could possibly happen...

 

[Deleted member 25370]

I don't think it's necessarily real Germans vs fake Germans. I think it's just that he has seen and grown up with a German culture that he liked, and is seeing people moving in and changing the culture, making all culture one big homogeneous thing. Now everyone feels that to a degree imo, but the thing is most of us realise that that doesn't matter because refugees need our help, and so it is stupid and, yes, problematic to suggest we should put culture ahead of people's lives.

i find the use of the term "identity" needs to be explained further. with regard to a "national identity" germany has been a patchwork rug till the late 19th century. a bavarian miller wouldnt have been able to have a conversation with a fisherman from hamburg. the national identity thing only began with the installation of imperial rule and the belated heavy industrialization that asked for elimination of custums duties within german borders. "national identity" is a political construct. if he thinks of a "german cultural identity", i simply do not know what exactly he means. something like a "german leitkultur"? goethe and schiller and the like? in my eyes it is not multiculturalism that endangers odd traditions but rather the impact of globalization. the opening of markets leads to a mcdonaldisation of domestic cultures. global players eliminate old-established family businesses, and gentrification changes the face of urban areas. on a grand scale it's big money not the immigrants that show no respect

 

[countthree]

Maybe you should actually read the article instead of a summation of it before you go off on a tangent. Morrissey was referring to Harvey Weinstein when he mentioned the "complainers of abuse merely being disappointed". Not children. But you mentioned being tipsy earlier, so I guess you made a drunken mistake...looks like you're not immune to those either.

Regarding Rapp; I've read his statement. He flat out says a visibly drunken Spacey picked him up, placed him on his bed and then hovered over him as a sexual advance until he got up (on his own free will), went to the bathroom and then subsequently left (on his own free will). He didn't rape him. He didn't kiss him. He didn't grope his dick like everyone else and their Daddy is claiming. He didn't keep him from leaving or even try. And you or anybody else has the gall to call that a sexual assault? That's an absolute insult to actual rape victims...you know, those people who don't just get to get up and walk away on their own free will. Remember them?

How many of these people claiming sexual assault have been underage? My count out of the 30 or so (so far) has been 1. Very strange for someone who is such a "predatory pedophile" to spend the next 31 years of their life groping only legal dick to see if he could get laid.

Why would he say he is "getting help"? Same reason he admitted he was gay. He was trying to save his career.

I also don't give a shit about Jimmy Saville. This has nothing to do with Jimmy Saville. When Kevin Spacey is accused of rape, you'll have a point, until then, you just sound like one of those pathetic twats that compare Trump to Hitler just to be dramatic.

Let us know what you think about this situation: The kid for any reason doesn't leave "on his own free wil". He stays and Spacey has sex with a 14 y.o. boy. Would you say he didn't rape him? Children's sexual consent doesn't exist. What is Spacey supposed to be when he was going to have sex with a child? No wonder why he needs urgent help.

Talking about Weinstein, apart from the complete lack of ethics in using your job to get casual sex with people whose livehood and career depend on you (like fishing in a bathtub), which by itself diminishes the sexual consent, imagine yourself being a woman locked in a room with someone who managed to get you there under false pretenses and having to say no to a man who doubles your size. Did he warn those women they were going there to give him massages, oral sex or anything sexually related? Obviously no, because most of them wouln't have assisted to the meeting. He acted like a hunter preparing a trap for his preys.

If this were a true democratic and equalitarian society, free of covered by the law sexual explotation, Weinstein and Spacey would be in jail. Clin ton and Tru mp, too.

 

[Shyness 1s nice]

What the 4ck is "soccer" ?

Benny-the-British-Butcher

I thought the same Benny, at first. But. Third times the charm

 

[Uncleskinny]

Not at all, Sharia Law is a long way off. But my worry is the 23,000 potential jihadis in the UK and the child grooming case in Rotherham which is about 8 mile away from me, there was the Rochdale case too.

Maybe I am as mixed up as Morrissey as I voted for Corbyn but I still think Farage speaks at least some sense at times. To deny there is a problem is to be a lefty for the sake of being a lefty.

Farage NEVER speaks sense. He is a criminal lying scumbag in the pocket of Putin who seeks to disrupt this country's processes. He is the very definition of a traitor.

 

[Flibberty]

Brexit is unlikely to even happen in its demanded form, and even if it did, it has already been established that it will not reduce immigration. So, Brexiters are blowing up the European Union, who's main purpose was to avoid the constant wars that wrecked the continent in previous centuries, for nothing. It's the very definition of a knee-jerk reaction.

People are forgetting the lessons learned from the spread of fascism in the early part of last century. We now have to go through this all over again because voters don't care about history. They're ignorant. Countries are no longer united due to the rise of hyper-individualism, and the lack of ongoing wars that were a feature of the past.

These direct democracy referendums are a terrible idea because it assumes voters are voting out of an intellectual understanding of important tissues. America's founding fathers understood this, and it's why America's political system is the way it is. It was designed as a Republic because of the foolishness that the majority often exhibits on important issues. It's not perfect, but this idea needs to be emphasized. The tyranny of the majority is being played out with Brexit.

Most people who speak on this topic are reactionary. They don't understand the minutiae of what is going on. It's one of the main problems with democracies in their various forms. It acts a release valve for public disenchantment, but it also invites uneducated, knee-jerk responses that hurt minorities, and even the best interests of the majority.

A perfect example is that people who tend to live around the fewest number of minorities, tend to hold the most fear about their existence. They are not making these decisions from a position of knowledge, or personal experience. They are making these decisions based on shallow, tribal identity. They're crippling themselves for little gain.

Anyway, can we get back to talking about how Morrissey has a ruined a career that ended a decade ago?

Well, you missed the point entirely didn't you.

And it's amusing that you think that Morrissey's career ended a decade ago. How many singers of Morrissey's age are still able to play two nights at the Hollywood Bowl?

 

[ninetimesfined]

The source of the transmission is Brummie Boy. Just sayin’...

 

[countthree]

The source of the transmission is Brummie Boy. Just sayin’...

I was thinking about that...

 

[Thewlis]

Great interview in Germany’s leading and most influential weekly.
Let’s hope he does more high profile-interviews like this soon!

 

[Anonymous]

Order ! Order ! Order ! ! !
I know Mr Spacey was mentioned in the interview but we mustn't let his sexual abuse claims derail the thread completely. The bots/cult are having a tough time of it and I can understand that but we must stay on track. These diversion tactics will not wash.

Benny-the-British-Butcher

 

[countthree]

Farage NEVER speaks sense. He is a criminal lying scumbag in the pocket of Putin who seeks to disrupt this country's processes. He is the very definition of a traitor.

He is obviously backed by the monarchy, too. That's why he exists in the first place.

 

[Surface]

As far as I can tell, grooming a child for sexual activity has a long legal history of being prohibited in the United States. Kevin Spacey was definitely grooming Anthony Rapp. It doesn't have to fit the definition of a serious 'sexual assault' to be a crime and punished accordingly. Time will tell if Spacey faces prosecution in the US. He is currently being investigated regarding allegations of sexual assault in the UK.

Whilst you may have regarded yourself as 'perfectly capable' of deciding whether or not an adult could touch your genitalia at 14, the law clearly disagrees. You might want to think about how condoning and tolerating a 'grooming culture' contributes to 'rape culture'. Victorian values? You mean when there were thousands of child prostitutes on the streets of London?


(b)
Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in prostitution or any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 812; Pub. L. 99–628,

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2422

How do you know he was definitely grooming Anthony Rapp?

 

[BrummieBoy]

Great interview in Germany’s leading and most influential weekly.
Let’s hope he does more high profile-interviews like this soon!

I agree. I want to see more direct interviews like this where a real journalist actually confronts him and refuses to allow him to hide.

 

[BrummieBoy]

How do you know he was definitely grooming Anthony Rapp?

erm....he picked him up, put him on his bed and lay on top of him..... *rollseyes*

 

[BrummieBoy]

Given the content of this interview, the lyrics to 'Israel' become even more disturbing and unhinged.

 

[DrStatham]

The very definition of a culture is a homogeneous thing. What you are lamenting is the change. It's inevitable.

No culture that exists today is the same as it was a thousand years ago or even a hundred years ago. Even religions are different than what was previously supported.

But the point is that now there are different cultures around the world. It is a shame that everything is slowly becoming the same, with the Americanisation of the world etc, but I think it is just nostalgia and selfishness if you say 'therefore let's stop immigration'. Yes I love German culture, and I think it is stupid to be seen as racist to say that in this context, but in the end there is nothing objectively better about German culture now. And yeah crime will increase, but I think it is worth it.

 

[DrStatham]

i find the use of the term "identity" needs to be explained further. with regard to a "national identity" germany has been a patchwork rug till the late 19th century. a bavarian miller wouldnt have been able to have a conversation with a fisherman from hamburg. the national identity thing only began with the installation of monarchy and the belated heavy industrialization that asked for elimination of custums duties within german borders. "national identity" is a political construct. if he thinks of a "german cultural identity", i simply do not know what exactly he means. something like a "german leitkultur"? goethe and schiller and the like? in my eyes it is not multiculturalism that endangers odd traditions but rather the impact of globalization. the opening of markets leads to a mcdonaldisation of domestic cultures. global players eliminate old-established family businesses, and gentrification changes the face of urban areas. on a grand scale it's big money not the immigrants that show no respect

True. But there's no denying that the culture is changing, even if it varies from say Bavaria to Berlin. As I've said, I don't think that's a reason to be anti immigration, but I think it shows that the reasoning from Moz is more selfishness and ignorance rather than racism.

And hypocrisy perhaps... If he thinks that foreigners with different cultures living in, say, Italy, makes it less 'Italian', then does he not realise that is what he's doing?

In the end worldwide culture getting more similar is inevitable anyway.

 

[Anonymous]

erm....he picked him up, put him on his bed and lay on top of him..... *rollseyes*

How do you know, where you there?

 

[Thewlis]

I agree. I want to see more direct interviews like this where a real journalist actually confronts him and refuses to allow him to hide.

My god, as if he ever hides anything. Where have you been the last 35 years?

 

[BrummieBoy]

My god, as if he ever hides anything. Where have you been the last 35 years?

For years he's been hiding behind email interviews with fanzines. I want more of the Spiegel stuff. How many casual sales do you think he's losing in Germany this weekend? LOL!