Morrissey Central "Madness." (December 1, 2024)

"Wikipedia confidently list me as an ex-member of Slaughter And The Dogs, and an ex-member of The Nosebleeds. I did not ever join The Nosebleeds and I have no connection whatsoever with Slaughter And The Dogs. Is there anyone at Wikipedia intelligent enough to set the record straight? Probably not." MORRISSEY, 2024.

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Bloody editorial team at Wikipedia!

 

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You’re not really disturbed, are you? You literally commented before on this same thread: “What a joke he has become.”

So you find “disturbing” things about his life and choices now to be jokes? Arguably, the things you think are disturbing are not necessarily so.

Then you tell us you became a fan of The Smiths in 1990. It’s becoming apparent this feigned “concern” you have is more about your own personal feelings. It’s apparent that Morrissey is no longer representative of the aura, your own brand of perceived cool, you want to project to the world. That’s okay. It’s interesting to continue reading your opinions on the directions he might/should take. You don’t think Morrissey is cool, do you? Does that embarrass you? He doesn’t seem embarrassed to be himself in the way he is publicly Would you say he is embarrassed with himself?

I have found it true that when we are ourselves, it offends people who expect us to fit in their box so they can feel comfortable with themselves. Maybe he is not willing to play some game to pretend to fit in the normie cool box. . . bad business? Might be. But in the end we ultimately have to live/die with ourselves.

Do you really want to hear the unreleased albums or see the man happy? Maybe a little more love with your judgment would have people believing you really do care and aren’t just taking potshots for some weird narcissistic superiority motivations.

Around here, children are taught in elementary school that Wikipedia is not reliable source material. Nothing wrong with Morrissey correcting the information on his own site.

Hear hear !

 

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One of my absolute favourite songs of his! (I realise this is a niche view...)

Not at all. And I wish he’d do it live, it’s perfect for Carmen and her bluesy lead touch.

 

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Hence Smiths Is OK

Just imagine if they went with ‘The Walking Wounded’. I’m gonna speculate that Morrissey put that on there because he knows Marr wouldn’t pick it, or hoped he wouldn’t! Lol.

 

[Thewlis]

Just imagine if they went with ‘The Walking Wounded’. I’m gonna speculate that Morrissey put that on there because he knows Marr wouldn’t pick it, or hoped he wouldn’t! Lol.

Everything But the Girl had a hit with it

 

[Dorothy]

Well, it’s been updated.

 

[trans]

ah sanity. honestly this made me want to watch the movie the madness

 

[Anonymous]

I do still want to hear "Peppermint Heaven," "I Get Nervous," and "I Think I'm Ready for the Electric Chair." I think "The Living Jukebox" was another pre-Smiths song?

 

[Seymour Glass]

This is what happens when you don't have a spouse, kids, family, good friends (who aren't in your band), etc. He's got nothing else to do but obsess over his once successful career. He should self release the two records, do a proper tour to promote them, and then retire!!

 

[DrStatham]

I edited the Nosebleeds Wiki page but someone changed it back

 

[goinghome]

Well, this is from autobio:
"Billy wants to call the band the Politicians, or Hearts Go Bop, and my only suggestion is T-Shirt (after a recent LP by Loudon Wainwright) or Stupid Youth, and on and on. A Wythenshawe band called the Nosebleeds have broken up, and Billy enlists their rhythm section for a wrangled spot at Manchester University where a cast of thousands will play, and we are ready with our five songs – but no name. Astonishingly, the night is reviewed in print by Paul Morley for the New Musical Express. The band is listed as the Nosebleeds, and I am lumbered with this miscued name in private sufferance forevermore."
This is Moz, he cares about such stuff. Not surprising, not annoying, to be honest.

Morrissey is strictly correct, though unusual adjacency could reasonably be argued as him having something to do with The Nosebleeds. I have sympathy for the Wikipedia contributor. Nice try, first of all! I've tried to do that favour to near-strangers whose accounts had been much more mangled, and it's easy to approximate the truth without quite knowing enough to fine-tune nuances. Ideally someone who knows the subject well, or/and who can double-check with them, is the main person doing the ongoing editing. The setup makes it easy for ne'er do wells to intrude and fib, which is why students and professionals are advised not to use Wikipedia as a primary source - though alarmingly, even judges sometimes rely on it (but usually get caught and reprimanded)!

Notes online on how Wikipedia works are often surprisingly vague. The best guide I've found so far is from a creative feminist blog, The Creative Independent, and here's an excerpt for starters (scroll down once or twice):

"Wikipedia is a publicly generated resource. Anyone, anywhere can edit (almost) any article at any time. This means that once a page goes live, volunteer editors are able to edit and add to a page forever (although, there are also a small number of protected or locked Wikipedia pages that require special permission to edit, mainly for controversial topics or templates).

Anyone can become an editor on Wikipedia in order to modify existing pages, or to create new ones. Editors can also contribute by translating articles (Wikipedia even offers a really cool content-translator tool) and by adding material to Wikimedia Commons—a collection of over 45,184,580 (and growing!) freely usable media files to which anyone can contribute.

To create a new page, all you need to do is create an account on Wikipedia, and then add your new article. While only registered and signed-in users can create pages, anyone can modify a page, and the edits are simply attributed to their IP address. In addition to volunteer editors, Wikipedia employs bots to scan edits for plagiarism and carry out other mundane and repetitive tasks such as checking for typos.

What type of content can go on Wikipedia?

Wikipedia has a number of rules that govern what type of content appears on the site. To quote Wikipedia,

“Wikipedia articles follow certain guidelines: the topic should be notable and be covered in detail in good references from independent sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia—it is not a personal home page or a business list. Do not use content from other websites even if you, your school, or your boss owns them. If you choose to create an article with only a limited knowledge of the standards on Wikipedia,

you should be aware that other editors may delete it if it’s not considered appropriate.”

To clarify, EVERYTHING added to Wikipedia must be a newly written, summarized description of a subject. Even if I wrote an article for another website, say on The Creative Independent, for example, I could not copy and paste that information into Wikipedia. I can cite a small portion, but the bulk of an article needs to be new copy.

Wikipedia itself has no firm rules but does operate under what they call their five pillars:

• Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.

• Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view.

• Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute.

• Wikipedia’s editors should treat each other with respect and civility.

• Wikipedia has no firm rules, only policies and guidelines."

- https://thecreativeindependent.com/guides/how-to-be-included-on-wikipedia/

 

[goinghome]

Our hero imprisoned doesn't even know that anyone can contribute on Wikipedia, which means even him.

He probably does know but is giving the hint for whoever did add the entry to correct it, and maybe for other volunteer editors to get on board and make a project of it.

 

[goinghome]

Are these facts?

No. We've got a multiple (user)personality on the loose, clogging up the threads, which might be preferable to the several wound-oozing alter-egos who've been thundering around for ages belching fire and spitting brimstone

 

[Famous when dead]

The external Wikipedia portrays an open door policy, but is seldom ever like that.
There a cliques of editors who label people as conflicts of interest, pedantic bots, specific editors that gatekeep and a host of other hurdles in the way of 'anyone' contributing. Even with 'proper' references, edits are sifted over at such a critical level that changes by well-meaning people get the boot.
Speaking from personal experience.
FWD.

 

[Anonymous]

"A Wythenshawe band called the Nosebleeds have broken up, and Billy enlists their rhythm section for a wrangled spot at Manchester University where a cast of thousands will play, and we are ready with our five songs – but no name... The band is listed as the Nosebleeds, and I am lumbered with this miscued name in private sufferance forevermore."

In Morrissey's own words the band performed as 'The Nosebleeds', so I'm not sure he has much cause to complain for people being confused. Even if the name was intended as a placeholder, or just used because the previous lineup had secured the gig booking, if that's the name they were advertised as on gig posters, then by definition, that was 'The Nosebleeds'.

 

[Famous when dead]

From here.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

When I heard the line “I don’t get along with myself and I’m not too keen on anyone else”, when I was 17, I knew there was a fighting chance of survival. That is my Morrissey.

I'm very keen on myself!!

 

[krieger]

"Alzheimer's disease typically sets in in a person's mid-60s or later, but it can also develop before age 65. Late-onset Alzheimer's: Most people with Alzheimer's have this type, where symptoms first appear in their mid-60s or later."

Hm, it could be. Let´s check:

As the disease progresses, symptoms worsen and can include:

• Difficulty with language and communication (check)
• Difficulty with planning and decision making (check, a lot)
• Confusion and disorientation (check)
• Personality changes, such as becoming suspicious, demanding, or aggressive (check, check, check, the recent Marr fiasco is proof)
• Hallucinations and delusions (check, every single minute of his life)
• Mood changes, such as anxiety or low mood (check, even cancelling shows)
• Difficulty with multistep tasks (check)
• Difficulty recognizing friends and family (check, sadly)
• Restlessness, agitation, and wandering (check, mainly from internet use)

Let´s face it.

Used to be a sweet boy
But now he´s mental.

 

[Seymour Glass]

Morrison! Morrison! Morrison!

 

[Lujan369]

"Alzheimer's disease typically sets in in a person's mid-60s or later, but it can also develop before age 65. Late-onset Alzheimer's: Most people with Alzheimer's have this type, where symptoms first appear in their mid-60s or later."

Hm, it could be. Let´s check:

As the disease progresses, symptoms worsen and can include:

• Difficulty with language and communication (check)
• Difficulty with planning and decision making (check, a lot)
• Confusion and disorientation (check)
• Personality changes, such as becoming suspicious, demanding, or aggressive (check, check, check, the recent Marr fiasco is proof)
• Hallucinations and delusions (check, every single minute of his life)
• Mood changes, such as anxiety or low mood (check, even cancelling shows)
• Difficulty with multistep tasks (check)
• Difficulty recognizing friends and family (check, sadly)
• Restlessness, agitation, and wandering (check, mainly from internet use)

Let´s face it.

Used to be a sweet boy
But now he´s mental.

Well, well, let's analyze your psychiatric folder. It's too much. Leave Morrissey alone, .This was far one of the worst smears. To speak like this without knowing him and even if I knew him is very low. Measure, your words guys let live. Moz is better than many here. This borders on the delirium of the one who wrote it. Don't play with people's health. AND WATCH OUT FOR THE LAW OF COMPENSATION READING WHAT ESCRIBISTE.No you can say anything, I find it very unpleasant to talk like this about Morrissey even though I don't agree with some of Moz's behaviors

 

[JerryCan]

Just read through all this thread hoping to glean why he'd be so annoyed at being mixed up with incarnations of the Nosebleeds and SATDs. I mean - what would be wrong with it? It's all part of the legendary music scene of the time. Is it because it was a mega frustrating time for him and things weren't as straight forwardly meteoric as with Johnny?