Inside information on Moz, Marr & management

[Gaylord Deepstar]

I don’t buy any of this “inside information.”

 

[Eldritch]

Pete Galli has stayed remarkably quiet but if he tackled everything as described here, little more could have been expected of him. He was doing all the right things. His silence can now be seen as steadfast discretion. Since, as I understand it, he was Carmen’s manager already, will parting ways with him also have negative repercussions on that relationship in the band? The statement about severance could still have sounded a few words of thanks – if what Odbmke is saying is correct about Galli’s merits and sincerity, which is my feeling too.

A professional manager always keeps his quiet in a situation like this. He takes his share of the profits and swallows the shit and moves on. Slagging off previous clients -- no matter how much they'd deserve it -- is a good way to lose future clients. Discretion is the key here. No-one wants to hire a manager who talks out of school.

 

[TheHoff]

Did you get it in email? I am on some band/musician email lists and I wonder how it's even possible Morrissey doesn't have a mailing list and then I remember it's Morrissey

It looked like Galli and Red Light were building a mailing list using laylo with ticket and signed vinyl give aways.

 

[Ryan]

Did you get it in email? I am on some band/musician email lists and I wonder how it's even possible Morrissey doesn't have a mailing list and then I remember it's Morrissey

When the official Cure website updated a few days ago you put your info in a mailing list. They then invited you to join their WhatsApp group which has been spitting out lyrics to the song Alone and giving a 30 second sample of it. Amazing stuff all round.

 

[Rufusindigo]

This is just bizarre, none of the recent posts by Morrissey would have been made if he didn't make them. No offense, but you are coming across as another Morrissey enabler who thinks he is not responsible for his own actions and Johnny is the cause of everything wrong in Morrissey's life. Sure, Johnny has done some things I wish he hadn't but this question has been asked repeatedly - Why was the Farage picture such a problem for Morrissey since it's someone he endorsed? The Farage picture may explain why Morrissey made his posts about Johnny, but it does not explain why he blew up the rest of the deals you said were made for him.

Maybe the problem with the Farage photo is due to the fact that M seems to have kept his head below the parapet for a few years in terms of any political announcements since the original kerfuffle. This could be interpreted as an attempt to move on. JM posting the Farage photo was dredging all this back up and not only saying 'no', but inviting ridicule and scorn and so unravelling the benefits for M of a few years of silence. It certainly kicked off a hornets' nest on twitter.......

 

[Redacted]

Maybe the problem with the Farage photo is due to the fact that M seems to have kept his head below the parapet for a few years in terms of any political announcements since the original kerfuffle. This could be interpreted as an attempt to move on. JM posting the Farage photo was dredging all this back up and not only saying 'no', but inviting ridicule and scorn and so unravelling the benefits for M of a few years of silence. It certainly kicked off a hornets' nest on twitter.......

Morrissey has to learn how to live with the things he's said. I honestly do not care about people's politics and I don't understand people getting all worked up about who a celebrity may or may not endorse, but if he felt he made a mistake, maybe he should just address it. His habit of hiding from things he's said doesn't serve him very well. And only he is allowed to hold grudges for decades and decades but other people can't have thoughts or feelings about things he's done. It's very cowardly.

I honestly don't think Morrissey has benefitted from his silence about it and especially not when he's been stirring up other problems and getting caught in a lot of lies. He didn't learn a thing from the Der Spiegel incident and I know I won't ever forget some of the things he said, just like I won't forget him comparing massacred children to fast food or saying meat eaters are pedophiles, or his lying about being sexually assaulted at the airport - it's neverending with him.

 

[Phranc & Open]

Anything else of note aside from Rainbow Valley?

As in, anything from this list? -

Unreleased - Morrissey-solo Wiki

www.morrissey-solo.com

Morrissey​

'Viva Hate' Sessions​

I Don't Want Us To Finish
Get Off The Stage

'Bona Drag' Sessions
Striptease With A Difference

'Kill Uncle' Sessions​

Born To Hang
Kill Uncle

Vauxhall And I' Sessions

Honey, You Know Where To Find Me
Sharp Bend, Fast Car, Goodbye
Stay As You Are

'Southpaw Grammar' Sessions

Glass Menagerie
Laughing Anne
Untitled Instrumental Demo 1
Untitled Instrumental Demo 2
Untitled Instrumental Demo 3

'Maladjusted' Sessions

Kit
Hanratty
I Know Who I Love
Nightmare
It's Hard To Walk Tall When You're Small

'You Are The Quarry' Sessions

Home Is A Question Mark
I'm Playing Easy To Get

'Ringleader Of The Tormentors' Sessions

Action Man

'Years Of Refusal' Sessions
I'm Looking Forward To Going Back
I Was Bully, Do Not Forget Me
When I Was Young
Teresa, Teresa

The questions run too deep, I'll guess. Morrissey would have a great product of it's own, if he would be able to release these tracks as a compilation like Springsteen (Tracks) or van Morrison (Philosopher's Stone). Would be lucrative for a record company too. Very very lable-spanning = not easy, I know.

 

[gordyboy9]

Guys guys guys, look at what that inside info gave us and what we could have had.

Meanwhile, go here: https://www.songsofalost.world/

Put the Roman numerals in for I / XI / MMXXIV and click submit. Listen to that brief sample of the new studio version of the Cure song “Alone”.

THAT’S how you go out with a bang in your mid-60’s. THAT’S how you market. No attitude, no petty remarks, just getting on with things and making your sunset years the best they can be and making your fans just as happy.

That is one hell of a promotional rollout The Cure are doing.

talk about making you work for a sample,just lets fans hear the sample,its not uncharted on the ps3.

 

[Trans]

A professional manager always keeps his quiet in a situation like this. He takes his share of the profits and swallows the shit and moves on. Slagging off previous clients -- no matter how much they'd deserve it -- is a good way to lose future clients. Discretion is the key here. No-one wants to hire a manager who talks out of school.

Word or not as the situation calls for. I think he’s being a pro and just moving on. Morrissey has seemed unhappy and upset the last couple of years and looks like he’s kinda just burying his head in music and not dealing with stuff. Maybe that’s how he’s been getting over or through all this loss lately but he seems unhappy and it makes sad. I hope the shows bring some joy. Itd be neat to see morrissey release some one off singles made with friends. Young bands do this all the time to keep people returning to there page with a release radar notice going off once a month or so while they work or the long player for the label. See if Marc almond would record or do a song together or Billy Duffy who has been a friend still of people he thinks he could work for. It wouldn’t be the same as self releasing an album but maybe he’d be ok with self releasing just to Spotify or whatever some fun humorous singles. Sometimes we all require the assault of laughter to cure our ills or to at least get us back on our feet. No one would judge him against marr and his deal and I really think releasing any new music would make him happier than he might realize. He needs any kind of momentum at the moment

 

[robertw93]

If this is all true it's depressing how close we were to the new albums. I genuinely can't see them coming out anytime soon, maybe we could be looking at another 2 or 3 years at least.

 

[JoeSellMozza]

After the initial shock about the split from Red Light & Galli, I'm a little more relaxed after two nights of sleep. When are you going to split up with your girlfriend or your employer? Exactly, when you have something new! I hope that Morrissey has just cleared the way for something new. Both management and label. His statements before Vegas and Jesse's before the autumn tour would not have been so optimistic otherwise. So who says that we won't hear some very good news soon?

By the way, I don't believe anything the insider says. For example, the stuff about Marr and The Smiths is completely made up and I can't believe the fan club story either. These are just two examples. I had been wondering for a while (and have often said here) what Red Light did for Morrissey? In any case, nothing was visible to the outside world, all this stuff on Insta and FB definitely came from Sam, at least it was in keeping with his style.

So Moz fans, don't lose faith. We won't have to wait as long as the fans of The Cure. It's not over yet. Morrissey will come back!

 

[FillUpThePage]

It's a sad day as Galli is widely known in the music industry as a good guy and really tried to do the best for Moz.

He was responsible for the massive Smiths reunion offer that the Mozzer signed off on. It was the first time Moz ever signed off on a Smith's reunion tour. I heard Galli even met with Marr's manager in London to try and mend the relationship.

Galli was also able to get Moz multiple record deal offers from big indie labels for Bonfire of Teenagers and Without Music the World Dies, but Moz rejected them as he only wishes to put music out on a major label. I find this to be very odd as I've always thought he was an advocate who protested against the "man" and the "major labels," but then won't sign to an indie label? Doesn't Red Light have multiple huge artists on indie labels that are massively successful? Aren't major labels dead in the rock n' roll space? Especially for a 65 year old?

There was also another big deal Galli had on the table regarding getting all the rights back to many of Moz's albums from BMG.

Galli inherited the Marr trademark issue from past management. From my understanding of the situation Galli wanted Moz to sign the paperwork splitting the trademark with Marr 50/50, but Moz thinks he should own 100% of the Smiths trademark and won't sign it. This is most likely the issue that made them part ways. Good luck with getting 100% of the trademark Moz.

On the flip side, Marr's camp is extremely dodgy. Management reached out to a very well-known singer of a major band (you can guess who) to see if he'd tour as the lead singer of "The Smiths." He of course rejected it right away. Marr's management also floated the idea of Marr touring as the Smiths to UK promoters which was also rejected.

As someone on the inside, I also know and got to see the plan and roll out Galli put together for Bonfire and it was genius. I was on some of those zoom meetings. It would have been a huge comeback for Moz and put him back on top. It started with the social media campaign and then a huge launch of a fan club that contains a ton of unreleased tracks, behind the scenes video and never before seen concerts. The fan club was scheduled to be launched in a few weeks and was already built. That would have lead into the first single from Bonfire and a big release date announcement for Bonfire. It was all scheduled to kick off the week of the upcoming tour with the album coming in 25, but Moz wouldn’t sign to the indie label. I thought all the hype about Marr was a well planned and executed PR stunt to get attention before the first single and album launch, but it was just Moz being Moz.

I actually thought that Moz and Galli were a good combo. He has the temperament and credibility as a level headed, smart, genuine, well liked manager who's in it for the right reasons. Sad day in Moz land.

Hello. We do the ‘Morrissey and Wine’ podcast and the ‘Morrissey Mercury’ fanzine. Would it be possible to talk via email? If you’d like to get in touch our address is themorrisseymercury@gmail.com. All the best

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

It's a sad day as Galli is widely known in the music industry as a good guy and really tried to do the best for Moz.

He was responsible for the massive Smiths reunion offer that the Mozzer signed off on. It was the first time Moz ever signed off on a Smith's reunion tour. I heard Galli even met with Marr's manager in London to try and mend the relationship.

Galli was also able to get Moz multiple record deal offers from big indie labels for Bonfire of Teenagers and Without Music the World Dies, but Moz rejected them as he only wishes to put music out on a major label. I find this to be very odd as I've always thought he was an advocate who protested against the "man" and the "major labels," but then won't sign to an indie label? Doesn't Red Light have multiple huge artists on indie labels that are massively successful? Aren't major labels dead in the rock n' roll space? Especially for a 65 year old?

There was also another big deal Galli had on the table regarding getting all the rights back to many of Moz's albums from BMG.

Galli inherited the Marr trademark issue from past management. From my understanding of the situation Galli wanted Moz to sign the paperwork splitting the trademark with Marr 50/50, but Moz thinks he should own 100% of the Smiths trademark and won't sign it. This is most likely the issue that made them part ways. Good luck with getting 100% of the trademark Moz.

On the flip side, Marr's camp is extremely dodgy. Management reached out to a very well-known singer of a major band (you can guess who) to see if he'd tour as the lead singer of "The Smiths." He of course rejected it right away. Marr's management also floated the idea of Marr touring as the Smiths to UK promoters which was also rejected.

As someone on the inside, I also know and got to see the plan and roll out Galli put together for Bonfire and it was genius. I was on some of those zoom meetings. It would have been a huge comeback for Moz and put him back on top. It started with the social media campaign and then a huge launch of a fan club that contains a ton of unreleased tracks, behind the scenes video and never before seen concerts. The fan club was scheduled to be launched in a few weeks and was already built. That would have lead into the first single from Bonfire and a big release date announcement for Bonfire. It was all scheduled to kick off the week of the upcoming tour with the album coming in 25, but Moz wouldn’t sign to the indie label. I thought all the hype about Marr was a well planned and executed PR stunt to get attention before the first single and album launch, but it was just Moz being Moz.

I actually thought that Moz and Galli were a good combo. He has the temperament and credibility as a level headed, smart, genuine, well liked manager who's in it for the right reasons. Sad day in Moz land.

Some of this seems this seems reasonable speculation and I can see M not wanting to sign up to Indy label. In his mind its a step backwards, especially as Bowie stayed on a Major until the day he died, also Marr and Suede are on Majors.
This isn't fecking news though, lots of us who know peeps in the industry (my wife used to be in it ) , is aware of certain indy labels wanting to sign him, Shit lots of people not in the industry guessed M could sign to an indy. People have urged him on here a load of times

It's also easy to guess a proper manager would suggest a proper website, that gives something to the fans, most of us have suggested it. Central is a joke a right fecking joke. The trouble is, Moz Central is his version of Facebook. I could also see a manager would try to get M's music rights back from a record label, especially one that has no interest in the singer.
So going by OP his ex-manager has done what any decent manager would have done

I can also imagine M being so fecking ego-drunk he thinks he should own The Smiths trademark, alone. It's a massive fecking shame he thinks this way, especially as Marr has kept The Smiths image alive and well over the last few years. and came to him with the trademark leg work all done. All M had to do is sign off. I bet M's fecking yes man are in his ear.

Someone changed M's mind about getting together with Marr to tour, expect as M and Marr., So I guess OP is right about that.
I don't think they would have ever toured as The Smiths- if M signed up for that, its a real shame, and the biggest sign yet that he had kind of given up. It was a mistake going public on this, Now he has let the world know he was gonna go back on his word never to sully The Smiths' name, and keep The Smiths firmly in the past. Like Weller has done with The Jam. I expect they would have done it as M and Marr, like Marr suggested in 2008, especially as one of The Smirhs has died and the other one they hate So I think OP is wrong about this

This brings me to Marr, I can not see Johnny ever fecking EVER agreeing to pretend to be The Smiths with another singer. for a load of fecking reasons one being he knows its a bitch slap to the band's memory and no fan would accept it. I think Marr may have suggested touring with a new singer, doing the songs of The Smiths, which explains why he stopped Andy and Joyce from doing the Classical Smiths with other singers. It was suggested Marr had something like this planned
So either Johnny's managers were fishing behind Johnny's backs, this happens a lot with Managers or someone got the wrong end of the stick , So I thing OP is wrong abut what

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

What about the rest? Most of that wasn't about Johnny. Does that sound made-up as well?

so you admit to some BS ? If realise your info on the Marr camp is limited and you may be wrong, you need to edit your post , do not fecking BS about someone. It seems Marr did the right thing, he has tried to get M on board in 2008 M said no, he then came to him with a trademark, M said no. So its unfair to put fecking shade on Marr like this. Anyone who knows Marr or has been around people who know him , knows he would never fecking tour as The Smiths with no M. At most its a game of Chinese whispers Marr management go fishing " Hey Brandon you toothy Mormon, fancy pretending to be M for a whole gig? Do you fancy touring with J Marr doing Songs of The Smiths with Johnny Marr and Flowers ?"
Then some fecking no mark took that to M and others as "Guess what Marr is trying to tour as the smiths with another singer "

 

[Dirk Blaggard]

If Johnny controls 100% of "The Smiths" trademark, and performs as "The Smiths" without old Mozzer, who would be suing Johnny for performing as "The Smiths" without Morrissey exactly?

why the feck did Johnny try to get M to sign off on the trademark if he intended to tour as The Smiths. It probably more like M would try that, he seems the cheaper one these days, I mean Marr didn't sign off on Smiths Rules ok. So he doesn't seem to be all about the money.
It was well know around Manchester that Marr was at one point planning something like Classical Smiths m ut that isn't the same as touring as The Smiths,
I don't mean to be fecking rude, it seems like you are doing a spot of Johnny damage limitation after M was made to look a complete fool or someone has given you the wrong info.

 

[Odbmke]

With regards to my credibility, I’ll just say that I spoke with David T yesterday for nearly 2 hours, and leave it at that. I have receipts. To get into if “Teresa, Teresa” was going to be on the fanclub site is to miss the point that since these deals are now gone, we have 3+ LP’s (BOT/Without/World Peace + all assiociated extras/bsides) worth of songs that will never see the light of day, or in the case of World Peace, see the light of day again.

I understand how how hard everything I wrote is hard to believe, but it’s true. A deal was got that 1) Got BOT and WMTWD released on a legendary “indie” label, but only indie in the same sense past labels Attack and Major/Minor, etc. were “Indies”. 2) Got his Quarry to Dog catalog out of BMG and 3) got Mozzer a well deserved fat payday. While this deal was being sorted (think of it like a complicated trade in baseball, involving three different teams, a lot of time, and each side doing their due diligence) the Farage/Marr crap began in the background, which got Marr into his head rent-free again. Then suddenly the fat payday wasn’t fat enough, the deal for the 2 LP’s wasn’t big enough, etc.

And here we are. Back to posting YouTube videos on Central, with zero social media presence, or even email list.

The two week US tour of smaller cities coming up makes more sense when you realize it was meant to be starting right after dropping a new single and announcing the new LP. Now it's just going be a random two week run with no real point to it - if he does it at all.

 

[BookishBoy]

With regards to my credibility, I’ll just say that I spoke with David T yesterday for nearly 2 hours, and leave it at that. I have receipts. To get into if “Teresa, Teresa” was going to be on the fanclub site is to miss the point that since these deals are now gone, we have 3+ LP’s worth of songs that will never see the light of day.

I understand how how hard everything I wrote is hard to believe, but it’s true. A deal was got that 1) Got BOT and WMTWD released on a legendary “indie” label, but only indie in the same sense past labels Attack and Major/Minor, etc. were “Indies”. 2) Got his Quarry to Dog catalog out of BMG and 3) got Mozzer a well deserved fat payday. While this deal was being sorted (think of it like a complicated trade in baseball, involving three different teams, a lot of time, and each side doing their due diligence) the Farage/Marr crap began in the background, which got Marr into his head rent-free again. Then suddenly the fat payday wasn’t fat enough, the deal for the 2 LP’s wasn’t big enough, etc.

And here we are. Back to posting YouTube videos on Central.

This is all a bit heartbreaking. Sigh.

Thank you for sharing it, though.

 

[The Alchemist]

With regards to my credibility, I’ll just say that I spoke with David T yesterday for nearly 2 hours, and leave it at that. I have receipts. To get into if “Teresa, Teresa” was going to be on the fanclub site is to miss the point that since these deals are now gone, we have 3+ LP’s worth of songs that will never see the light of day.

I understand how how hard everything I wrote is hard to believe, but it’s true. A deal was got that 1) Got BOT and WMTWD released on a legendary “indie” label, but only indie in the same sense past labels Attack and Major/Minor, etc. were “Indies”. 2) Got his Quarry to Dog catalog out of BMG and 3) got Mozzer a well deserved fat payday. While this deal was being sorted (think of it like a complicated trade in baseball, involving three different teams, a lot of time, and each side doing their due diligence) the Farage/Marr crap began in the background, which got Marr into his head rent-free again. Then suddenly the fat payday wasn’t fat enough, the deal for the 2 LP’s wasn’t big enough, etc.

And here we are. Back to posting YouTube videos on Central.

You say again that the albums will 'never see the light of day', when of course, they will.

 

[Odbmke]

You say again that the albums will 'never see the light of day', when of course, they will.

Right. You are going to say that at the very least they will come out after he dies. Will they though? Will Sam be able to find the right hard drive?

 

[The Alchemist]

Right. You are going to say that at the very least they will come out after he dies. Will they though? Will Sam be able to find the right hard drive?

I don't think Morrissey is that stupid.

We can say many things about him, but when it comes to his recordings he knows what he is doing.

He will also have a very detailed plan as to what happens to the masters if he was to go.

It is of course plausible that his wishes could involve the destruction of said works.

If that's the case, then so be it.