Forbes: "Gene Simmons On Life After KISS, Sale And Avatars, Linkin Park, Oasis, Morrissey, Taylor Swift And Chappell Roan" (September 13, 2024)

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Below, Simmons discusses life after playing with KISS. He shares his views on Linkin Park’s relaunch and new vocalist, Emily Armstrong, who’s caused a stir due to her connections with Scientology. He discusses the long-awaited reconnection of the Oasis brothers, the drama surrounding Ticketmaster’s Dynamic Pricing for the band’s 2025 tour and his run-in with Liam Gallagher.

He also addresses Morrissey’s recent dismay with record label executives, the controversy surrounding his new album, Bonfire of Teenagers, and Morrissey’s claims that an offer for The Smiths reunion tour was neglected by guitarist Johnny Marr.



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More British rock news: An interview was recently published in The Telegraph with singer Morrissey, famously of The Smiths. To simplify, Morrissey is saying that he's been silenced by record labels who refuse to release his new album, Bonfire of Teenagers. This comes after years of drama: he was dropped by BMG, then signed to Capitol Records, which he claims then shelved the record, which he then purchased back from them, but has had no success shopping.

The controversy surrounding the album is related to the record’s title track, a song about the 2017 terrorist attack at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester which killed 22 people. Morrissey is critical about what he sees as a culturally “woke” reaction to the killings—even mentioning what he felt was a misuse of Oasis’ hit “Don’t Look Back in Anger” as a song of solidarity and hope in the city.

I'm curious what your thought is on the idea of labels withholding a major artist's music over political stances. Morrissey has likened it to them holding his art hostage, but also says he refuses to self-release the album.


Morrissey and I have exchanged pleasantries. He’s a great artist, terrific. It's funny to look at a gift horse in the mouth. We're all alive, and every artist and every human being has a right to express their opinion. “Here's my opinion on that. I think you should be angry”—or not. And that's his opinion.

I happen to agree with it. By the way. “Wokeism” intentionally means well, but there's a lot of garbage and bulls*** involved with it and basically browbeating anybody who doesn't agree with you, you know, like a baker who doesn't want to make a cake because religiously he doesn't agree with your lifestyle. At what point do your individual rights stop and you have to bow down to somebody else's thing? Democracy is a messy thing.

I say more power to [Morrissey] for speaking up. And by the way, if you want to take advantage of capitalism, which is to have a record company give you money, you can't blame him.

Morrissey said: “Every major label in London has refused my album while also admitting that it is a masterpiece.” He claimed that label executives are worried that the media would make their lives hell if they release his music and support his message.

Well, look, record companies are a business. They're not here for a social tool. And when you go through a jungle, you've got to figure out where you want to go. Life isn't easy and then you die. That's all.

He'll be okay [laughs]. His rent is covered and he's got food in his belly. He'll figure it out.

It’s hard to understand why he wouldn't just release the album himself. I'm sure he has the resources to do so…

Because it's easier to do it when somebody else takes the risk and gives the money.

That's a good point.

That’s the only point.

Morrissey also just came out recently and said that AEG made a very lucrative offer for him and guitarist Johnny Marr to reunite The Smiths in 2025. Morrissey claims that he said yes, but Marr didn't even acknowledge the offer. I’m sure he’s really frustrated right now.

In 2007, Rolling Stone reported that Morrissey himself had turned down a $75 million dollar offer. It wouldn’t be shocking to imagine that the newest offer would be upwards of $100 million. Of course, that is total speculation.


Get rid of the guitar player and get somebody off. Nobody cares. They just want to hear the songs. I keep saying this over and over again. If you go down the street, and with all due respect to Johnny Marr, you go down the street and ask the general person, “Who's Johnny Marr?” they won't know who you're talking about.

[Hypothetically], saying no to $100 million dollars would be lunacy. What other job would pay you that!? Unless you’re willing to break your back and play football or something…


Not someone I ever thought would go in the Wiki.
Regards,
FWD.


Update:
Later became a Morrissey Central post:
Morrissey Central: "GENE Simmons" - September 13, 2024
 
Interesting. The Dolls appeared like drags with make-up and heavy crossdressing too. Whereas Kiss only had make-up and superhero costums. 💋 were super straight. But funny, how you quote that curvature. Love Gun is over the top. Really.

Yes, agree. They have nothing in common, especially and more importantly lyrically. Love Gun is over the top and would be a funny choice for M to cover.


Guess we should post it ..

 
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He sings them beautifully



Funny how he has Dolls for the backdrop image but not Kiss, and how passionate he’s been about the Dolls over the years, it could even cause one to speculate and post an opinion such as ‘it’s because he loves the Dolls so much is why he wouldn’t cover Love Gun.’ He doesn’t even need to say it, IMHO.
 
he could do it. Would definitely need to put in a lot of deep cuts. And should get Joyce onboard simply because it would ruffle Marr’s feathers.

I know you’re not saying he should, but I wonder if M got Mike and Craig and called
it a Smiths reunion, can Johnny put a legal stop to it? I don’t think he could, but I’m not sure.
No he couldn’t. So many artist do it. Midge Ure or Peter Hook to name just a few. Or Liam Gallagher just recently.

But I’m not sure Moz really wants to do it. He’s never been a nostalgia act, and if he’d choose to do a Smiths only tour, he’d be considered one.
 
No he couldn’t. So many artist do it. Midge Ure or Peter Hook to name just a few. Or Liam Gallagher just recently.

But I’m not sure Moz really wants to do it. He’s never been a nostalgia act, and if he’d choose to do a Smiths only tour, he’d be considered one.

He could definitely do a Smiths only tour, but
my question is, can he tour as, and call it The Smiths legally without Marr. I’m pretty sure Marr put a stop to Joyce’s Classically Smiths shows, but because Joyce is not co-writer it’s different.
 
He could definitely do a Smiths only tour, but
my question is, can he tour as, and call it The Smiths legally without Marr. I’m pretty sure Marr put a stop to Joyce’s Classically Smiths shows, but because Joyce is not co-writer it’s different.
No - for the same reason that he can't release the compilation etc without Johnny and couldn't use the name after Johnny left. The Smiths, as a legal entity, were Morrissey and Marr.
 
No - for the same reason that he can't release the compilation etc without Johnny and couldn't use the name after Johnny left. The Smiths, as a legal entity, were Morrissey and Marr.

Yes, forgot ( I was trying to! Lol) about this recent reissue debacle.

Guess, M could call it the Smiths Rule Ok! tour though.
 
Yes, forgot ( I was trying to! Lol) about this recent reissue debacle.

Guess, M could call it the Smiths Rule Ok! tour though.

About a possible world tour not the compilation.

I guess he could call it:
The Smiths Legacy by Morrissey World Tour 2025.

But only in case he has enough physical and mental health to face such an exhausting endeavour.
 
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I guess he could call it:
The Smiths Legacy by Morrissey World Tour 2025.

But only in case he has enough physical and mental health to face such an exhausting endeavour.

Or take out the word ‘World’ and just hit the larger cities.
 
No - for the same reason that he can't release the compilation etc without Johnny and couldn't use the name after Johnny left. The Smiths, as a legal entity, were Morrissey and Marr.
Surely he could do a “ Morrissey sings the Smiths” tour?
As long as it is clear that it is Morrissey + other musicians playimg songs by the Smiths.
 
But I’m not sure Moz really wants to do it. He’s never been a nostalgia act, and if he’d choose to do a Smiths only tour, he’d be considered one.
If a concert promotor were to offer him decent money to do a Smiths only tour, don’t you think he would do it?
Even if most likely it would be a less generous offer than what he could get for a Morrissey + Marr tour.
 
I'm not really sure you could sell Morrissey sings The Smiths as being anything special that would have promoters throwing money at Moz or would pull in that many more punters than a normal Morrissey tour.

It was already really pushing it just having the estranged couple Morrissey and Marr without Rourke and Joyce.
 
Yeah - without them performing together, 'the Smiths' exclusive name is essentially what we already have: both of them separately performing Smiths songs during gigs. And so I can't see the commercial appeal of one member owning the name, except perhaps to totally new fans.
 
Gene Simmons is a gross human being. He reminds me of Trump. He thinks that money is the end all be all. Joy isn't purchasable. It comes from inside, from integrity and being true to oneself. Though I suppose if his 'truth' is the glory of money, then he's being honest. But it sounds empty at the end. Has Morrissey come to believe only in money and not art? Why else lament the failed Smiths reunion. Simmons is right. Morrissey is well off. He will never have to lift a physical limb the rest of his life if he so chooses. "And all of the best things in life are behind glass: money, jewelry and flesh." Moz is wrong about the first two. Less so the third.
 
Gene Simmons is a gross human being. He reminds me of Trump. He thinks that money is the end all be all. Joy isn't purchasable. It comes from inside, from integrity and being true to oneself. Though I suppose if his 'truth' is the glory of money, then he's being honest. But it sounds empty at the end. Has Morrissey come to believe only in money and not art? Why else lament the failed Smiths reunion. Simmons is right. Morrissey is well off. He will never have to lift a physical limb the rest of his life if he so chooses. "And all of the best things in life are behind glass: money, jewelry and flesh." Moz is wrong about the first two. Less so the third.
I agree that Gene is a gross human being, he reminds me of Joe Biden.
 

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