Forbes: "Gene Simmons On Life After KISS, Sale And Avatars, Linkin Park, Oasis, Morrissey, Taylor Swift And Chappell Roan" (September 13, 2024)

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Below, Simmons discusses life after playing with KISS. He shares his views on Linkin Park’s relaunch and new vocalist, Emily Armstrong, who’s caused a stir due to her connections with Scientology. He discusses the long-awaited reconnection of the Oasis brothers, the drama surrounding Ticketmaster’s Dynamic Pricing for the band’s 2025 tour and his run-in with Liam Gallagher.

He also addresses Morrissey’s recent dismay with record label executives, the controversy surrounding his new album, Bonfire of Teenagers, and Morrissey’s claims that an offer for The Smiths reunion tour was neglected by guitarist Johnny Marr.



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More British rock news: An interview was recently published in The Telegraph with singer Morrissey, famously of The Smiths. To simplify, Morrissey is saying that he's been silenced by record labels who refuse to release his new album, Bonfire of Teenagers. This comes after years of drama: he was dropped by BMG, then signed to Capitol Records, which he claims then shelved the record, which he then purchased back from them, but has had no success shopping.

The controversy surrounding the album is related to the record’s title track, a song about the 2017 terrorist attack at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester which killed 22 people. Morrissey is critical about what he sees as a culturally “woke” reaction to the killings—even mentioning what he felt was a misuse of Oasis’ hit “Don’t Look Back in Anger” as a song of solidarity and hope in the city.

I'm curious what your thought is on the idea of labels withholding a major artist's music over political stances. Morrissey has likened it to them holding his art hostage, but also says he refuses to self-release the album.


Morrissey and I have exchanged pleasantries. He’s a great artist, terrific. It's funny to look at a gift horse in the mouth. We're all alive, and every artist and every human being has a right to express their opinion. “Here's my opinion on that. I think you should be angry”—or not. And that's his opinion.

I happen to agree with it. By the way. “Wokeism” intentionally means well, but there's a lot of garbage and bulls*** involved with it and basically browbeating anybody who doesn't agree with you, you know, like a baker who doesn't want to make a cake because religiously he doesn't agree with your lifestyle. At what point do your individual rights stop and you have to bow down to somebody else's thing? Democracy is a messy thing.

I say more power to [Morrissey] for speaking up. And by the way, if you want to take advantage of capitalism, which is to have a record company give you money, you can't blame him.

Morrissey said: “Every major label in London has refused my album while also admitting that it is a masterpiece.” He claimed that label executives are worried that the media would make their lives hell if they release his music and support his message.

Well, look, record companies are a business. They're not here for a social tool. And when you go through a jungle, you've got to figure out where you want to go. Life isn't easy and then you die. That's all.

He'll be okay [laughs]. His rent is covered and he's got food in his belly. He'll figure it out.

It’s hard to understand why he wouldn't just release the album himself. I'm sure he has the resources to do so…

Because it's easier to do it when somebody else takes the risk and gives the money.

That's a good point.

That’s the only point.

Morrissey also just came out recently and said that AEG made a very lucrative offer for him and guitarist Johnny Marr to reunite The Smiths in 2025. Morrissey claims that he said yes, but Marr didn't even acknowledge the offer. I’m sure he’s really frustrated right now.

In 2007, Rolling Stone reported that Morrissey himself had turned down a $75 million dollar offer. It wouldn’t be shocking to imagine that the newest offer would be upwards of $100 million. Of course, that is total speculation.


Get rid of the guitar player and get somebody off. Nobody cares. They just want to hear the songs. I keep saying this over and over again. If you go down the street, and with all due respect to Johnny Marr, you go down the street and ask the general person, “Who's Johnny Marr?” they won't know who you're talking about.

[Hypothetically], saying no to $100 million dollars would be lunacy. What other job would pay you that!? Unless you’re willing to break your back and play football or something…


Not someone I ever thought would go in the Wiki.
Regards,
FWD.


Update:
Later became a Morrissey Central post:
Morrissey Central: "GENE Simmons" - September 13, 2024
 
If you go down the street, and with all due respect to Johnny Marr, you go down the street and ask the general person, “Who's Johnny Marr?” they won't know who you're talking about.

True, this.
What street is he walking down? He must be a Back Street boy. See what I did there?! Btw, same goes for Morrissey.
 
If you go down the street, and with all due respect to Johnny Marr, you go down the street and ask the general person, “Who's Johnny Marr?” they won't know who you're talking about.

True, this.
So his suggestion is to take the $100 mill and call his current band The Smiths? Absolutely brilliant! What an incredibly smart man! Who's going to tell him that it doesn't quite work that way. One of the dumbest things I've read...outside of here, of course.
 
In my own real life experience, more people know who Johnny is from the other projects he's done
I never really got the appeal of Kiss or Gene Simmons and I do not like him at all since he supported GW Bush and the invasion of Iraq, you really have to be a special kind of stupid to have supported that
 
Simmons, famously, has kept a tremendous amount of Kiss memorabilia (see small amount of his collection pictured below). It'd be great if one or more of the Smiths had done the same.

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Interestingly, I can't help but wonder if when mentioning the refusing to bake a cake....he was referring to a situation that ended up in litigation, just by happenstance in the city where Marr has a home and reportedly spends some time at, Portland, OR.

The bakery owners of a private enterprise refused to make a cake for a potential customer due to it being a same-sex union.

If I recollect correctly, the court found in favor of the customer's complaint.

This was a few years ago. A strangely specific reference to mention and pull out of thin air.

Be safe and well, all...
 
It’s true that most people where I live know who Morrissey is ( if only vaguely) but have no idea who Johnny Marr is. I have to explain, “the guitarist from TheSmiths”
 
Interestingly, I can't help but wonder if when mentioning the refusing to bake a cake....he was referring to a situation that ended up in litigation, just by happenstance in the city where Marr has a home and reportedly spends some time at, Portland, OR.

The bakery owners of a private enterprise refused to make a cake for a potential customer due to it being a same-sex union.

If I recollect correctly, the court found in favor of the customer's complaint.

This was a few years ago. A strangely specific reference to mention and pull out of thin air.

Be safe and well, all...
Yes, there is ongoing litigation in that case, the US Supreme Court has vacated the judgment twice but Oregon isn't exactly cooperating
 
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I wouldn't like to be the person(s) judging that 'cake' case. While I agree that shop owners or workers should have the right to refuse service to, say, aggressive customers, what's the logical extension to refusing service to those they disapprove of because of their lifestyles or preferences or beliefs? A judgement in favour of those who refuse could open the door to refusals for all kinds of views or prejudices, some of these inevitably unfair or ignorant or plain mistaken; even glib assumptions like, for example, the shop staff disapproving of someone they think might be a single mother...or a Catholic...or an agnostic...or a Jewish person...or an atheist...or an adulterer...or a Democrat or Republican...or an immigrant...or a MAGA type. And so on.
 
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I wouldn't like to be the person(s) judging that 'cake' case. While I agree that shop owners or workers should have the right to refuse service to, say, aggressive customers, what's the logical extension to refusing service to those they disapprove of because of their lifestyles or preferences or beliefs? A judgement in favour of those who refuse could open the door to refusals for all kinds of views or prejudices, some of these inevitably unfair or ignorant or plain mistaken; even glib assumptions like, for example, the shop staff disapproving of someone they think might be a single mother...or a Catholic...or a Jewish person...or an atheist...or an adulterer...or a Democrat or Republican...or an immigrant...or a MAGA type. And so on.
A religious test is being applied, the refusal was based on the religious beliefs of the owner. The SCOTUS has already ruled on another case like it in Colorado and ruled in favor of the baker, who refused based on his religious beliefs. The decision you would have to make would be are the state's lower courts and various entities discriminating against this owner based on his religious beliefs and the court found that to be the case.
 
It’s true that most people where I live know who Morrissey is ( if only vaguely) but have no idea who Johnny Marr is. I have to explain, “the guitarist from TheSmiths”
Pretty much everyone knows who Morrissey is. The face, the hair. He's iconic. Whereas only people into music would recognise a pic of Johnny Marr.

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I have always loved ‘God Gave Rock 'N' Roll To You’, and play it a lot on my iPhone.

It’s shitastic. A song that is both totally and utterly shit but also fantastic at the same time. Not many songs have that quality:

‘Dead ringer for love’ by Meatloaf is another one. ‘Windmills of your mind’, another.
 
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that Simmons supported the invasion of Iraq and the murder of a million innocents. Wish he'd just piss off.
 

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