Morrissey Central "YOU KNOW I COULDN’T LAST" (July 26, 2023)

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“She had only so much ‘self’ to give. She was dropped by her label after selling 7 million albums for them. She became crazed, yes, but uninteresting, never. She had done nothing wrong. She had proud vulnerability … and there is a certain music industry hatred for singers who don’t ‘fit in’ (this I know only too well), and they are never praised until death - when, finally, they can’t answer back. The cruel playpen of fame gushes with praise for Sinead today … with the usual moronic labels of “icon” and “legend”. You praise her now ONLY because it is too late. You hadn’t the guts to support her when she was alive and she was looking for you. The press will label artists as pests because of what they withhold … and they would call Sinead sad, fat, shocking, insane … oh but not today! Music CEOs who had put on their most charming smile as they refused her for their roster are queuing-up to call her a “feminist icon”, and 15 minute celebrities and goblins from hell and record labels of artificially aroused diversity are squeezing onto Twitter to twitter their jibber-jabber … when it was YOU who talked Sinead into giving up … because she refused to be labelled, and she was degraded, as those few who move the world are always degraded. Why is ANYBODY surprised that Sinead O’Connor is dead? Who cared enough to save Judy Garland, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Marilyn Monroe, Billie Holiday? Where do you go when death can be the best outcome? Was this music madness worth Sinead’s life? No, it wasn’t. She was a challenge, and she couldn’t be boxed-up, and she had the courage to speak when everyone else stayed safely silent. She was harassed simply for being herself. Her eyes finally closed in search of a soul she could call her own. As always, the lamestreamers miss the ringing point, and with locked jaws they return to the insultingly stupid “icon” and “legend” when last week words far more cruel and dismissive would have done. Tomorrow the fawning fops flip back to their online shitposts and their cosy Cancer Culture and their moral superiority and their obituaries of parroted vomit … all of which will catch you lying on days like today … when Sinead doesn’t need your sterile slop.”

MORRISSEY
26 July, 2023.

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Related thread:

• R.I.P. Sinead O'Connor

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Media items:

• Consequence: "Morrissey Rips Sinead O’Connor Tributes: “You Hadn’t the Guts to Support Her When She Was Alive”" - July 26, 2023
• Daily Mail: "Morrissey SLAMS celebrity tributes to Sinead O'Connor following her death aged 56: 'You hadn't the guts to support her when she was alive'" - July 27, 2023
• The Independent: "I can’t believe I agree with Morrissey, but he’s right on Sinéad O’Connor" - July 27, 2023
• The Guardian: "‘You hadn’t the guts to support her’: Morrissey decries music industry after Sinéad O’Connor’s death" - July 27, 2023
• The Independent: "‘You praise her now only because it’s too late’: Morrissey lashes out at tributes to Sinead O’Connor" - July 27, 2023
• Ultimate Classic Rock: "MORRISSEY RIPS ‘INSULTINGLY STUPID’ SINEAD O’CONNOR COVERAGE" - July 26, 2023

 

[Anonymous]

It’s a strange thing. Artists express themselves in song, then have to reopen wounds again and again in interviews, it’s a vicious cycle. They say it helps to talk about it, but, I just don’t know. Not saying things should be bottled up though.

Morrisseys probably plotting to release Jim Jim Falls as a single and slogan on t shirts off the back of this.
Hes not an artist.
Hes a c***.

 

[Surface]

Johnny dedicating There is a light to Sinead and Andy.

watch

 

[Nakedbrunch]

Morrisseys probably plotting to release Jim Jim Falls as a single and slogan on t shirts off the back of this.
Hes not an artist.
Hes a c***.

Morrisseys probably plotting to release Jim Jim Falls as a single and slogan on t shirts off the back of this.
Hes not an artist.
Hes a c***.

Yet the simple fact of the matter is that Morrissey has contributed more to the world, to millions of people's lives, than you ever have, will or could even dream of. If he's "not an artist" and a "c*nt", then what the hell does that make you? An anonymous nobody obsessively posting vitriol on a website for a singer you claim to despise.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Johnny dedicating There is a light to Sinead and Andy.

watch

Lovely.


Johnny’s a man of few words.

So it’s really quite amazing that, like Johnny, we all have access to Morrissey’s words to truly express how we really feel, the pain and the joys of life, we could always count on Morrissey to be there.






edit: added video.

 

[NealCassidy]

 

[Deleted member 31782]

YOU KNOW I COULDN'T LAST - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - YOU KNOW I COULDN'T LAST

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

“She had only so much ‘self’ to give. She was dropped by her label after selling 7 million albums for them. She became crazed, yes, but uninteresting, never. She had done nothing wrong. She had proud vulnerability … and there is a certain music industry hatred for singers who don’t ‘fit in’ (this I know only too well), and they are never praised until death - when, finally, they can’t answer back. The cruel playpen of fame gushes with praise for Sinead today … with the usual moronic labels of “icon” and “legend”. You praise her now ONLY because it is too late. You hadn’t the guts to support her when she was alive and she was looking for you. The press will label artists as pests because of what they withhold … and they would call Sinead sad, fat, shocking, insane … oh but not today! Music CEOs who had put on their most charming smile as they refused her for their roster are queuing-up to call her a “feminist icon”, and 15 minute celebrities and goblins from hell and record labels of artificially aroused diversity are squeezing onto Twitter to twitter their jibber-jabber … when it was YOU who talked Sinead into giving up … because she refused to be labelled, and she was degraded, as those few who move the world are always degraded. Why is ANYBODY surprised that Sinead O’Connor is dead? Who cared enough to save Judy Garland, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Marilyn Monroe, Billie Holiday? Where do you go when death can be the best outcome? Was this music madness worth Sinead’s life? No, it wasn’t. She was a challenge, and she couldn’t be boxed-up, and she had the courage to speak when everyone else stayed safely silent. She was harassed simply for being herself. Her eyes finally closed in search of a soul she could call her own. As always, the lamestreamers miss the ringing point, and with locked jaws they return to the insultingly stupid “icon” and “legend” when last week words far more cruel and dismissive would have done. Tomorrow the fawning fops flip back to their online shitposts and their cosy Cancer Culture and their moral superiority and their obituaries of parroted vomit … all of which will catch you lying on days like today … when Sinead doesn’t need your sterile slop.”

MORRISSEY
26 July, 2023.

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Related thread:

• R.I.P. Sinead O'Connor

---

Media items:

• Consequence: "Morrissey Rips Sinead O’Connor Tributes: “You Hadn’t the Guts to Support Her When She Was Alive”" - July 26, 2023
• Daily Mail: "Morrissey SLAMS celebrity tributes to Sinead O'Connor following her death aged 56: 'You hadn't the guts to support her when she was alive'" - July 27, 2023
• The Independent: "I can’t believe I agree with Morrissey, but he’s right on Sinéad O’Connor" - July 27, 2023
• The Guardian: "‘You hadn’t the guts to support her’: Morrissey decries music industry after Sinéad O’Connor’s death" - July 27, 2023
• The Independent: "‘You praise her now only because it’s too late’: Morrissey lashes out at tributes to Sinead O’Connor" - July 27, 2023
• Ultimate Classic Rock: "MORRISSEY RIPS ‘INSULTINGLY STUPID’ SINEAD O’CONNOR COVERAGE" - July 26, 2023

beautiful woman. she had a soul

 

[No 27]

But, you said in (post #304) ….

‘They are/were a couple or pop singers / entertainers / celebrities. Nothing more.’

now that’s delusional if you believe they are ‘nothing more’ than ‘pop singers / entertainers / celebrities’.

To so many lives they are so much more.

How can you say that about someone that just died? Sinead O’ Connor was an ARTIST and will continue to move and inspire many, long after we’re gone. And so will Morrissey. Accept it.

So no, not ‘nothing more’.

These people - Morrissey and O'Connor - are/were just individuals who make pop songs for a living rather than, say, working in a call-centre.

I love it when actual grown-ups continue to slavishly worship pop-singers and try to dignify it by calling them "artists". Most people mature and outgrow this trivia with the passing of adolescence. Others - happily a minority - continue to take it more seriously than they ever should have. They can't move on and, in adulthood, feel the need to justify their childish obsession by characterising it as a respectable interest in "art".

So yes, Morrissey and Sinéad O'Connor were just entertainers and celebrities like all the rest. Nothing more. Perhaps, for you, the penny will one day drop, just as it did for so many before you.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Saw this there too. Something Morrissey would surely agree with ….

 

[terrancestamp]

I think it was a well said piece, I just don't think moz, who never sticks his neck out for anyone, was the right person to say it.

He sticks his neck out for people/animals all the time. He is very similar to Sinead they remind me a lot of each other. They might not support the same causes, but they support despite their money and career. They NEVER play it safe. True artist!

 

[Kelly B]

Amen!

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

These people - Morrissey and O'Connor - are/were just individuals who make pop songs for a living rather than, say, working in a call-centre.

I love it when actual grown-ups continue to slavishly worship pop-singers and try to dignify it by calling them "artists". Most people mature and outgrow this trivia with the passing of adolescence. Others - happily a minority - continue to take it more seriously than they ever should have. They can't move on and, in adulthood, feel the need to justify their childish obsession by characterising it as a respectable interest in "art".

So yes, Morrissey and Sinéad O'Connor were just entertainers and celebrities like all the rest. Nothing more. Perhaps, for you, the penny will one day drop, just as it did for so many before you.

THIS HAS TO BE THE SADDEST F-ING POST ON SOLO.


It’s no surprise that people like me would disagree with your posts. Obviously there is no poetry or magic in your life, when you can’t even appreciate the importance the artist has in this world, to the lives of so many.

Just, wow. I feel sorry for you.

Good luck with that.

you too @Gaylord Deepstar and any others that agree with that anon.

 

[Mayfly]

Haslam should do his homework.
As inconsistent as it might seem, my recollection is that Morrissey actually supported “Black Lives Matter”. He’s most likely not supporting the cause “Refugees Welcome Here”.

 

[JM🇬🇧]

Haslam should do his homework.
As inconsistent as it might seem, my recollection is that Morrissey actually supported “Black Lives Matter”. He’s most likely not supporting the cause “Refugees Welcome Here”.

Also, what difference does it make if he didn’t? I don’t understand why people have to toe the line on everything and can’t defend someone unless you share all the same beliefs.

 

[Gray Fruit]

Also, what difference does it make if he didn’t? I don’t understand why people have to toe the line on everything and can’t defend someone unless you share all the same beliefs.

You mean beliefs like Black lives should matter? That they shouldn't be slaughtered indiscriminately by police? Why would you defend someone who didn't believe in that.

Where is it that Morrissey supported BLM? On Morrissey Central? Or did he actually march somewhere?

 

[Mayfly]

Also, what difference does it make if he didn’t? I don’t understand why people have to toe the line on everything and can’t defend someone unless you share all the same beliefs.

It’s probably more a matter of not sharing the same core values in this case. I suppose Haslam is one of these persons for whom the fight against racism is at the core of everything he does. It’s his main purpose in life. Not saying that I like this post, but I can see where he’s coming from.

 

[Gray Fruit]

How can they be killed indiscriminately due to their race? Surely that would make it discriminate.

Typical, debating semantics because you have no defense. Now where was it that Morrissey was marching in support of BLM?

 

[Mayfly]

Where is it that Morrissey supported BLM? On Morrissey Central? Or did he actually march somewhere?

Here’s at least a link to a long discussion on this board to Morrissey’s alleged support for the Black Lives Matter cause. He spoke out against the killing of George Floyd.

Thread 'The Metro: Morrissey’s pro Black Lives Matter tweet dragged on social media (June 3, 2020)'
https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/the-metro-morrissey’s-pro-black-lives-matter-tweet-dragged-on-social-media-june-3-2020.146566/

At a concert I attended back in 2014 in Antwerp (Belgium), he made a similar remark about police violence in the US causing the death of innocent black people, the name of the victim now escapes me.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

These people - Morrissey and O'Connor - are/were just individuals who make pop songs for a living rather than, say, working in a call-centre.

I love it when actual grown-ups continue to slavishly worship pop-singers and try to dignify it by calling them "artists". Most people mature and outgrow this trivia with the passing of adolescence. Others - happily a minority - continue to take it more seriously than they ever should have. They can't move on and, in adulthood, feel the need to justify their childish obsession by characterising it as a respectable interest in "art".

So yes, Morrissey and Sinéad O'Connor were just entertainers and celebrities like all the rest. Nothing more. Perhaps, for you, the penny will one day drop, just as it did for so many before you.

Artists in the fine arts, artists in the performance arts - which obviously includes musicians and singers, can and should all be judged on their abilities and on their contributions. That can be their contributions to a particular artistic canon, contributions to the cultural fabric around them, contribution to the artistic reflection of cultural sentiments quashed or repressed in a certain period, region, or even religion, etc, these are just some of the most obvious examples. It can also be contributions to the widening and to the broadening of the public’s recognition of the artistic stage that awaits other artists, or any innumerable other criteria.

There are any number of ways in which artistic endeavors and artistic outputs can be measured, and like every other type of contributions in life (of art, of a craft that it takes talent and years to hone, or even of non-art related work endeavors) people form opinions as to whether a particular piece of work, art, or artist has worth, and/or how much: indeed, even on a comparative basis. Because without comparison, nothing would have any value by definition. Not even currency.

So status of the opinions on a particular piece of fine art, performance art, musical composition, or on any number of artists who use their own voices as an instrument, actors, writers, poets, playwrights, novelists, ballet dancers, comedians, modern dancers, and innumerable others exist all on a continuum, and can and should be elevated or de-elevated according to the artistic (not monetary) value of their contributions or creations.

Your post is completely imbecilic, and infers that a K-pop ensemble, or an S Club 7 type act, or any manufactured ensemble that gets concocted out of a random group of no-talent strangers who are just thrown on a stage together to execute a song or a dance that other people created…. According to you, such completely commercialized and manufactured entities would all have the same merit (presumably none??) as a Leonard Cohen or as a Morrissey or a Serge Gainsbourg or Charles Aznavour or a Maria Callas or as any number of pick-your-favorite-artists in the musical arena who write poetry and who know how to set their words to the right songs, or who play instruments that it takes decades to perfect to the extent that they can stand out from the crowd and from their own competition or who read music, or who are multi-talented and can do some form of a combination of all of the above - these are all just non-entities to you? Because, why? Because we have some additional modern genres for the arts now? What about opera singers? Opera singers are in fact the opposite of everything I just described. They don’t even write the operas they’re singing, shock, horror!

Modern life comes with an entire slew of additional modern troubles and challenges to contend with. Humanity to me seems to be reverting to medieval times, instead moving forward toward collective enlightenment, intelligence, and peace.

Many artists fight and flail against various challenges their entire lives. The fact that some brilliant artists are never given the appreciation they deserve in their lifetimes is nothing new, this is a story as old as time. But the fact that you are apparently so dismissive of the creation of poetry and of music really begs the question, then why are you trying to pass any judgment whatsoever, on something that is clearly so far outside of your grasp?

Van Gogh couldn’t sell his paintings in his lifetime to save his life, but we can only assume he must have been trying to sell to some kind of dimwits like you.

Honestly I’ve never read something so sweepingly idiotic as your post.
And my life is too short to have even spent these last few minutes responding to someone who possesses such a complete VOID in their brain, in place of any cultural awareness.

f***ing DIRE.

 

[gashonthenail]

You mean beliefs like Black lives should matter? That they shouldn't be slaughtered indiscriminately by police? Why would you defend someone who didn't believe in that.

Where is it that Morrissey supported BLM? On Morrissey Central? Or did he actually march somewhere?

BLM was just lockdown-fuelled hysteria that fed off understandable outrage following the death of George Floyd that made its leaders very rich - so rich they bought a fancy mansion. Nice people. Clearly dedicated to the cause.

Black Lives Matter Secretly Bought a $6 Million House

Allies and critics alike have questioned where the organization’s money has gone.

nymag.com

 

[JM🇬🇧]

BLM was just lockdown-fuelled hysteria that fed off understandable outrage following the death of George Floyd that made its leaders very rich - so rich they bought a fancy mansion. Nice people. Clearly dedicated to the cause.

Black Lives Matter Secretly Bought a $6 Million House

Allies and critics alike have questioned where the organization’s money has gone.

nymag.com

Black Lives Mansions as my friend calls them.
How did they help anybody anyway? They have some pretty funny Marxist ideas too… obviously if you agree with them on everything that’s 100% okay, but circling back to my point if you don’t agree with
them on everything you should be able to defend someone who does.