It was both very difficult and very impressive. I made ample use of Brian Boyd's annotations at Ada Online. I got most of the plot, some of the alternate history, and a few of the puzzles, but I still wouldn't say I understood it completely. I feel more like a college student who read Ulysses for a class and got a C on the exam. It's late Joycean in the sense that he was writing for the obsessives who would scrutinize everything in minute detail. But it doesn't have any marks of an aging writer; stylistically it's a delight. I'll definitely read it again, if Allah is willing. One thing I did notice, though, was that it finally made me think Christopher Hitchens' comment (that if you read enough Nabokov you start to see a troubling obsession with pubescent girls) had some teeth.

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Right now I'm reading Sorcerer's Apprentice: My Life With Carlos Castenada by Amy Wallace, and I think next I'm going to read Anthony Burgess' historical fiction about Christopher Marlowe, A Dead Man In Deptford. Oh my god. it's Robby! thinks the forum should have a books thread. What are you reading?
What, Nabokov has a troubling obsession with pubescent girls? Is that news to anyone? Or are you saying that reading Nabokov instills in the reader a troubling obsession with pubescent girls (hence the nervous grimace you posted)?

I don't know, I just finished Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood which turned out to be my favourite Margaret Atwood book. I ordered some books and they just arrived so it's a choice between The Satanic Verses (because f*** muhammedan nonces, ain't that right, auds?), The Road to Wigan Pier, A Gentleman in Moscow, and My Cousin Rachel. I also want to get the new Alan Hollinghurst novel Our Evenings but I'm wondering if I should wait till it comes out in paperback since it will be cheaper, take up less room, and be less heavy to hold. How long does it take for a hardcover book to come out in paperback, auds? A friend also recommended Shantaram so I might get that too (have you read it, auds?)

Also no one cares what Oh My God, it's Predator Robby! thinks!
 
One person whose book I'd read if she wrote a book is Diane Yap. But it might not be as good as her Twitter, where she really shines at the art of aphorism. You might like this one, nicky wire's legs:


Well, yes, but I would have preferred if she had said 'gross lil wienies desires' rather than 'penis desires.' I really hate the word penis and don't use it because it makes me think of penises. ::shudder::

However, I don't find what she said to be particularly novel. I mean everyone knows than the aesthetic taste of men is influenced by their gross lil wienies and therefore they make no real contribution to the philosophy or theory of beauty.

Gay men are better judges but sometimes they have questionable taste too, because often times their aesthetic judgments go through a filter of what kind of woman THEY would want to be which has, again, nothing to do with beauty.

The only judgment I really trust and value is the judgment of artists and poets and, of course, my own.
 
I think it would be very interesting if solo got rid of the down vote option. It would force people to reply and actually explain what it is that they don’t like about a post, which of course would generate more discussion.
The down vote is useful in that one can express disagreement with a post without engaging with someone like you who breaks every post down line by line and gives non responsive answers, the down vote helps people avoid that. Naturally you want to 'force people to reply' because no one really like to talk to you.
 
What, Nabokov has a troubling obsession with pubescent girls? Is that news to anyone? Or are you saying that reading Nabokov instills in the reader a troubling obsession with pubescent girls (hence the nervous grimace you posted)?

I always thought the charge was unfair. Writing a novel from the perspective of an ephebophile shouldn't mean the author is one. The Enchanter can be dismissed as a sketch for Lolita, and in Pale Fire the character is interested in pubescent boys, not girls. I thought it amounted to insufficient evidence. The grimace reflected my unease that there's more evidence to support it; I don't know how Nabokov, as talented a writer as he is, could instill in the reader a change in their sexual preference.

I don't know, I just finished Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood which turned out to be my favourite Margaret Atwood book. I ordered some books and they just arrived so it's a choice between The Satanic Verses (because f*** muhammedan nonces, ain't that right, auds?), The Road to Wigan Pier, A Gentleman in Moscow, and My Cousin Rachel. I also want to get the new Alan Hollinghurst novel Our Evenings but I'm wondering if I should wait till it comes out in paperback since it will be cheaper, take up less room, and be less heavy to hold. How long does it take for a hardcover book to come out in paperback, auds? A friend also recommended Shantaram so I might get that too (have you read it, auds?)

I had never heard of Shantaram, but it looks interesting. I think the time between hardcover and paperback varies, but the average is maybe a year.
 
The only judgment I really trust and value is the judgment of artists and poets and, of course, my own.

How do you determine who is and isn't an artist and a poet? Have you read about the song about Morrissey, Dear Stephen, on the upcoming Manic Street Preachers album? Apparently it's "a tender exploration of teenage fandom and adult disappointment," so if the Mojo writer has their facts correct, Nicky Wire might be soured on Morrissey these days.

 
Totally agree.

I fear that Davidt will not be putting on the Santa suit and sliding down our chimneys anytime soon. Anyway, the grinches have spoken.
 
How do you determine who is and isn't an artist and a poet? Have you read about the song about Morrissey, Dear Stephen, on the upcoming Manic Street Preachers album? Apparently it's "a tender exploration of teenage fandom and adult disappointment," so if the Mojo writer has their facts correct, Nicky Wire might be soured on Morrissey these days.


apparently they weren’t fans enough to know that it’s ‘Steven’. doh:
 
I fear that Davidt will not be putting on the Santa suit and sliding down our chimneys anytime soon. Anyway, the grinches have spoken.
Ha! Very true.
 
I always thought the charge was unfair. Writing a novel from the perspective of an ephebophile shouldn't mean the author is one. The Enchanter can be dismissed as a sketch for Lolita, and in Pale Fire the character is interested in pubescent boys, not girls. I thought it amounted to insufficient evidence. The grimace reflected my unease that there's more evidence to support it; I don't know how Nabokov, as talented a writer as he is, could instill in the reader a change in their sexual preference.
Well it's not that he would "instill in the reader a change in their sexual preference" but rather people with this preference, latent or not, would be drawn to Nabokov and in reading his books would reveal to them truths about themselves. Which is why I had to wonder if your post contained a confession, knowing how fond you are of Nabokov. I've read Lolita and pale fire as well but my admiration for them was largely clinical. Other than the superb writing and curious perversity I thought they were no great shakes, which is why I still intend to leave Ada in one of those pop-up libraries we have on every block (they still exist despite us no longer being a high trust society because the gimmigrants can't read english and have no intention of learning)
I had never heard of Shantaram, but it looks interesting. I think the time between hardcover and paperback varies, but the average is maybe a year.
I read the reviews for Shantaram. It sounds like shit. I should've known, my friend is not exactly the literary sort.
 
I fear that Davidt will not be putting on the Santa suit and sliding down our chimneys anytime soon. Anyway, the grinches have spoken.
Why should David cater to you and your never ending complaining?
 
How do you determine who is and isn't an artist and a poet? Have you read about the song about Morrissey, Dear Stephen, on the upcoming Manic Street Preachers album? Apparently it's "a tender exploration of teenage fandom and adult disappointment," so if the Mojo writer has their facts correct, Nicky Wire might be soured on Morrissey these days.

No, I didn't know about that! I look forward to hearing it! 🤩

I mean, Nicky wire hasn't historically been particularly generous to other artists and I've always thought it was hilarious and rad, so I don't know why I should care if he's "soured on morrissey". I've soured on Morrissey to some extent too. Not about his political opinions which I support, but his not showing up for concerts, which I think is honestly really pathetic and disappointing (a feeling only exacerbated when his fans come to his defense like he's a helpless child). Anyway, nicky wires criticism of Morrissey goes back decades as you can see in this clip of nicky at his sexiest (@4:20)



(Why is richey considered the beauty of the band, when it's obvious it's nicky? :hearteyes: ) (although they're ALL beauties 😍)

By the way, it's my birthday today! Did you wish me a happy birthday yet?! (It's also Matt goodwin's! Happy birthday matty!! :hearteyes:)
 
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Also how I determine who is an artist or poet varies from person to person and so I always have to assess on an individual basis. As of now I can't give you any tips for spotting them yourself because the internal guide inside of me speaks in a language which is pure spirit. So for now if you have any questions about who is or isn't an artist just ask! I AM the authourity!
 
Well it's not that he would "instill in the reader a change in their sexual preference" but rather people with this preference, latent or not, would be drawn to Nabokov and in reading his books would reveal to them truths about themselves. Which is why I had to wonder if your post contained a confession, knowing how fond you are of Nabokov. I've read Lolita and pale fire as well but my admiration for them was largely clinical. Other than the superb writing and curious perversity I thought they were no great shakes, which is why I still intend to leave Ada in one of those pop-up libraries we have on every block (they still exist despite us no longer being a high trust society because the gimmigrants can't read english and have no intention of learning)

I think if I had been drawn to Nabokov on account of some sexual preference, latent or not, it would've been revealed to me decades ago when I read Lolita. I'm sure I would've at least become aware of it before I was 52 yrs old. Who am I supposed to be, Carlislebaz? In the curious country of Sweden, however, I might be considered 53. My birthday is 8 months away, but the Swedes say: "what's a few months, give or take? F*ck, it, you're there already." Anyway, a happy birthday to you. I tried to look up Matt Goodwin, but Wikipedia only lists a Canadian Football League linebacker and an Australian rugby league footballer, neither with December birthdays. At first, though, I thought you were glad to share your birthday with the lead singer of that dork-fest band Muse, but it turns out his name is Matt Bellamy.

Shouldn't it compromise Nicky Wire's spiritual poetic perfection if his politics are opposed to Morrissey's? In broad terms, that is. I'm considering Morrissey "anti-woke" and Nicky Wire (as far as I can make out from the Manics) to be a sort of typical "Che Guevara poster" leftist. I think someone once called them an edgier version of U2, and I like the Manic Street Preachers just fine, but that's not far from the mark.
 
This feels strange to write after 250 years or whatever it has been, but it's time for me to leave Solo. I've realised that I've been here too long, been too invested in things I can't control, and basically just stayed beyond any point where I was really enjoying the forum. The 'interview' was a line in the sand - it killed the very last drop of empathy I had for M and his label situation but it also made me look at myself and re-evaluate what I give my time to. Following all the ups and downs of the last 10 years and then dissecting each inevitable disaster hasn't put me in a good headspace; I feel like the M story is a long road to nowhere now and I want to get off the bus before I become one of those users who is just Ctrl+Ving the same anger in every thread and spoiling it for new fans. Thank you for some good conversations over the years.
 
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