Ashley_TakeABow
My faith in love is still devout.
Similar, but not the same. I feel ya, but I haven't got the energy to argue about this topic anymore.
Morrissey’s view on gender identity
- Thread starter Lionel Cliffhanger
- Start date
Lionel Cliffhanger
Active Member
I would be genuinely grateful if anyone supporting gender self ID etc to be able ti explain how self ID does not impact on women’s rights given the below…
gashonthenail
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Some good news on this topic for a change. But the fact that this poor woman was sacked from her job for simply posting views on Facebook is shocking. How many more are there like this woman who have lost their job? In social work, health care, and academia?
womansplaceuk.org
RACHEL MEADE V WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL AND SOCIAL WORK ENGLAND - Woman's Place UK
RACHEL MEADE V WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL AND SOCIAL WORK ENGLAND. This is a significant win for Rachel Meade and women's rights.
womansplaceuk.org
It's been scrapped & blocked in the UK but technically the only difference it made was the person didn't need a diagnosis from a doctor to get a gender recognition certificate.
The certificates have been issued since 2004.
ZOOM FROM GLOOM
LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA!
Some good news on this topic for a change. But the fact that this poor woman was sacked from her job for simply posting views on Facebook is shocking. How many more are there like this woman who have lost their job? In social work, health care, and academia?
RACHEL MEADE V WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL AND SOCIAL WORK ENGLAND - Woman's Place UK
RACHEL MEADE V WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL AND SOCIAL WORK ENGLAND. This is a significant win for Rachel Meade and women's rights.
I’m sure there’s plenty of good news out there that the media deems not ‘newsworthy’ to report. Such as incidents where trans women use female facilities without any problem to anyone.
JM🇬🇧
Well ’Ard Member
I know, right?
Like, they don’t tell us about all the wars that AREN’T happening! I wasn’t murdered today and nobody reported that in the news.
gashonthenail
Make Orwell Fiction Again
You did not answer the question. It's clearly a topic that you do not understand and are out of your depth in.
A system of gender self-identification would put women at risk
It would threaten single-sex spaces and female political autonomy, writes Kristina Harrison, a political campaigner
ZOOM FROM GLOOM
LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA!
you’re funny. No need to be aggressive, it’s quite rightly a touchy subject. I’m simply saying that there is little balance in the media or even in this thread concerning this issue.
gashonthenail
Make Orwell Fiction Again
And how many women feel uncomfortable seeing a man in what is supposed to be a female-only space but keep their mouth shut and say nothing?
JM🇬🇧
Well ’Ard Member
I agree where you are coming from, you cannot get a good grasp of reality from statistics or reading the newspapers.
No aggression meant, most of what I say is tongue in cheek and not meant to offend.
Peace
You did not answer the question. It's clearly a topic that you do not understand and are out of your depth in.
A system of gender self-identification would put women at risk
It would threaten single-sex spaces and female political autonomy, writes Kristina Harrison, a political campaignerwww.economist.com
Bitch, I have read all that. It's alarmist & largely driven by online keyboard warriors.
There are always issues with new legislation - when the problems actually arise they get amended. It's happened with the gay age of consent, gay marriage etc etc.
TheSmiths_1985
Oooh, I say.
ZOOM FROM GLOOM
LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA!
I agree it’s complicated, regarding appearances. And I guess shouldn’t be allowed. It’s simply unfortunate and extremely troubling that some people are using the guise of being transgender for nefarious means.
ZOOM FROM GLOOM
LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA!
I agree where you are coming from, you cannot get a good grasp of reality from statistics or reading the newspapers.
No aggression meant, most of what I say is tongue in cheek and not meant to offend.
Peace
Thanks. I don’t mean to come off as devils advocate here. It’s just that this world is full of all sorts, and everyone’s needs need to be considered. I’m not condoning violence at all.
‘There is a better world. Well, there must be …’
The gender i.d. wars in the US are hotting up even more, and where trans gains are concerned, there's a risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater - https://www.damemagazine.com/2023/08/14/the-gop-has-a-master-plan-to-criminalize-being-trans/
Some gender diversity has always been with us
www.yesmagazine.org
The Trans History You Weren’t Taught in Schools
Often erased from history, scholars are now realizing that transgender and nonbinary people have existed in most human societies across time.
www.yesmagazine.org
Hi Zoom, I'm listening to one of revered Judith Butler's recent interviews about gender issues, and she pleads for inclusivity too.
At the same time, many earlier societies spent a inordinate amount of energy policing gender and relationships. Why did they think they needed to do that? What would be lost by individuals indulging in dreams?
gashonthenail
Make Orwell Fiction Again
God, Judith Butler is dumb. But I suppose she demonstrates how dumb you got to be these days to move in the world of academia.
Safeguarding is discrimination. Society should discriminate against a male rapist wanting to go to a female prison. A women's refuge should discriminate against a man wanting to enter that space. It ain't rocket science. But clearly it is to Judith Butler.
gashonthenail
Make Orwell Fiction Again
The independent review conducted by Hilary Cass of transgender care in England have published their final report. The findings are really disturbing for anyone who cares about the bodily integrity of our children.
cass.independent-review.uk
Basically we have been medicating children based on a 'fad'. Future generations will look back on what we have done and condemn us for child abuse.
- An appraisal of international guidelines for care and treatment of children and young people with gender incongruence found that no single guideline could be applied in its entirety to the NHS in England.
- While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
- The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.
- The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what the individualised care and treatment is intended to achieve for individuals seeking support from NHS gender services.
- The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
- The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
- Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
- For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.
- Innovation is important if medicine is to move forward, but there must be a proportionate level of monitoring, oversight and regulation that does not stifle progress, while preventing creep of unproven approaches into clinical practice. Innovation must draw from and contribute to the evidence base.
UK Government Web Archive
This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/ looked like on 10 Mar 2025 at 14:36:33
cass.independent-review.uk
Basically we have been medicating children based on a 'fad'. Future generations will look back on what we have done and condemn us for child abuse.
Lionel Cliffhanger
Active Member
The independent review conducted by Hilary Cass of transgender care in England have published their final report. The findings are really disturbing for anyone who cares about the bodily integrity of our children.
- An appraisal of international guidelines for care and treatment of children and young people with gender incongruence found that no single guideline could be applied in its entirety to the NHS in England.
- While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
- The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.
- The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what the individualised care and treatment is intended to achieve for individuals seeking support from NHS gender services.
- The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
- The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
- Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
- For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.
- Innovation is important if medicine is to move forward, but there must be a proportionate level of monitoring, oversight and regulation that does not stifle progress, while preventing creep of unproven approaches into clinical practice. Innovation must draw from and contribute to the evidence base.
UK Government Web Archive
This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/ looked like on 10 Mar 2025 at 14:36:33
Basically we have been medicating children based on a 'fad'. Future generations will look back on what we have done and condemn us for child abuse.
It is horrific. It’s child abuse. People should be locked up.
Imagine losing your fertility and sexual function. Imagine being a parent that supported this for your child because you were lied to. It must be so unbearable that I bet many will not even be able to admit it to themselves.
The media has been terrible in not picking this up earlier or cheering it on. Same with celebrities too numerous to mention (but happy to list them!). Shame on them all.
Similar threads
- Featured
