'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian

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'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian
The former Smiths singer’s new album features guest spots from Billie Joe Armstrong and Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste. Are they not put off by his increasingly unpleasant right-wing stance?

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As US music magazine the Fader asked: “What possible reason could any of these people have for lining up behind Morrissey now?”

Droste declined to comment. The only artist willing to speak with the Guardian was Canadian vocalist Ariel Engle, who performs with cult indie outfit Broken Social Scene. She received a call from the American producer Joe Chiccarelli asking her to contribute backing vocals for a cover of Joni Mitchell’s Don’t Interrupt the Sorrow. “I thought, ‘Oh the Smiths, sure’,” she says. “It was $500 for two hours’ work.”

Engle says she didn’t become aware of Morrissey’s political views until the album was announced and a friend emailed to question her involvement. “It’s a very weak argument to claim ignorance,” she says, “but it is my argument. It’s not an excuse but it happens to be the truth.”

Morrissey’s manager, Peter Katsis, says he is unaware of statements made by any guest vocalists, but that the intention of the covers album was supposed to be fun. “This is where his head is at,” he says. “Maybe enough has been said with the last few albums being political.” Of Morrissey’s political views, Katsis says: “I manage his artistic career and sometimes I have to deal with things he says, but it’s not for me to comment.”

Chiccarelli echoes Katsis’s sentiment. “I can’t speak to Moz’s politics,” he says. “I’m a record-maker. I’ve known him 10 years and he’s been a gentleman and a pleasure. I consider him a friend.” When asked about the far-right figures for whom Morrissey has expressed support, Chiccarelli says: “I’d really have to research it and see if it crossed a particular line for me.”

Engle says that learning of Morrissey’s political opinions has left a “bad taste”, and that she stands in opposition to his views. “The inflammatory things he says are not my politics. I think he’s completely out of line. I grew up around multiculturalism and I am the product of multiculturalism and immigration. I feel like I’ve been had, but it’s my fault.”

The American singer LP offered a statement through a PR representative: “As I’m a huge fan of his music and poetry, I was honoured to be asked to collaborate on the album.” Representatives for Lydia Night of California band the Regrettes offered no comment, but the 18-year-old told punk magazine Kerrang!: “I’ve grown up loving the Smiths – my cat’s name is Morrissey!” Representatives for Armstrong said he was in the studio and therefore unreachable.

The guest stars on California Son are all North American, suggesting a difference between perceptions of the former Smiths frontman in the US and UK. Katsis, who is American, sees the critical focus on Morrissey’s politics as a British preoccupation.

“I don’t think they know enough about it to care about it,” he says of Morrissey’s US fans. “I don’t feel knowledgable enough to comment on British politics, therefore it’s probably not as important to me or the international fans as it is to UK fans. This whole thing has had me perplexed. The subjects are very complicated and dividing.”

The figures bear out Morrissey’s enduring support across the Atlantic. He ended 2018 with arena shows in North and South America, and has announced his first Canadian tour in 20 years for this April. In November 2017, Los Angeles City Council declared 10 November “Morrissey Day”.

“In America, he tends to be seen as the rock star who sang about queer life and spoke openly about feminism when nobody else did,” says Rolling Stone critic Rob Sheffield. “These two images define him, and he’s still seen in terms of his pioneering place in history. His grumpy old age is not really held against him. Americans tend not to follow UK politics very closely, so when he makes mind-blowingly offensive statements there might be outrage or humiliation for a few days, or hours, but then it’s back to listening to The Queen Is Dead”.




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Regards,
FWD.
 
They won’t post that as it’s more about the comments their article has provoked. It won’t take them long to see that Morrissey has a number of followers on this site that could be perceived as racist which will no doubt provoke another damaging article.
well, lets be honest, mental balance has never been something Moz fans are known for :o
so really its not surprising that a vocal minority of "Moz fans" (mostly aging incels who already had racist tendencies when they were younger and have just become more bitter with age)
well they double down on their racism, hate, when they come here, its exactly what one should expect
the fact that it makes up now a majority of posters at this particular site now maybe, is more a function of them being more than OK with Moz spouting xenophobic garbage while others are not and having loads of time on their hands to come here, cuz well, thats what incels do, the internet is their home more than any other group of people ever maybe
cuz in real life people hate them and they are cowards most of the time, unable to speak their nonsense outloud, until the likes of Trump of course
but I still don't believe though that they make up the greater share of people that once called themselves "Moz fans" so there is that at least :guitar:
 
Pretend I’m an ethnicity and hate me.
Not fond of other people at the moment, Viva. But I can change my mind at any moment. I admit I'm racist sometimes. Favourite track coming up, You Have Killed Me.
 
well, lets be honest, mental balance has never been something Moz fans are known for :o
so really its not surprising that a vocal minority of "Moz fans" (mostly aging incels who already had racist tendencies when they were younger and have just become more bitter with age)
well they double down on their racism, hate, when they come here, its exactly what one should expect
the fact that it makes up now a majority of posters at this particular site now maybe, is more a function of them being more than OK with Moz spouting xenophobic garbage while others are not and having loads of time on their hands to come here, cuz well, thats what incels do, the internet is their home more than other group of people cuz in real life people hate them and they are cowards most of the time
but I still don't believe though that they make up the greater share of people that once called themselves "Moz fans" so there is that at least :guitar:

Followed anybody home lately?
 
The Guardian see anyone with a view not strictly corresponding with their own as racist.

To them anybody who likes Moz is a racist - including you Surface boy.

Doubt it but what about other papers, we could send a link to a few of them as well. Could be good fun and place this place on the map.
 
well, lets be honest, mental balance has never been something Moz fans are known for :o
so really its not surprising that a vocal minority of "Moz fans" (mostly aging incels who already had racist tendencies when they were younger and have just become more bitter with age)
well they double down on their racism, hate, when they come here, its exactly what one should expect
the fact that it makes up now a majority of posters at this particular site now maybe, is more a function of them being more than OK with Moz spouting xenophobic garbage while others are not and having loads of time on their hands to come here, cuz well, thats what incels do, the internet is their home more than any other group of people ever maybe
cuz in real life people hate them and they are cowards most of the time, unable to speak their nonsense outloud, until the likes of Trump of course
but I still don't believe though that they make up the greater share of people that once called themselves "Moz fans" so there is that at least :guitar:
Are you perfect, have you never sinned? You're casting a lot of stones...

"Let he who hath never sinned cast the first stone" - Jesus H
 
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well, lets be honest, mental balance has never been something Moz fans are known for :o
so really its not surprising that a vocal minority of "Moz fans" (mostly aging incels who already had racist tendencies when they were younger and have just become more bitter with age)
well they double down on their racism, hate, when they come here, its exactly what one should expect
the fact that it makes up now a majority of posters at this particular site now maybe, is more a function of them being more than OK with Moz spouting xenophobic garbage while others are not and having loads of time on their hands to come here, cuz well, thats what incels do, the internet is their home more than any other group of people ever maybe
cuz in real life people hate them and they are cowards most of the time, unable to speak their nonsense outloud, until the like of Trump of course
but I still don't believe though that they make up the greater share of people that once called themselves "Moz fans" so there is that at least :guitar:

:straightface:

brilliant exposition.:rolleyes:
one detail, you are here all the time, along with S and the NDSP so that would make you all
'incels'. :crazy:
 
It would bring me immense joy if a luvvie Guardian journalist got into their car one morning only to discover it was fitted with a mercury tilt switch...
 
Are you perfect, have you never sinned? You're casting a lot of stones...
of course I'm not perfect, have come long way since I was a kid or even a young man, while Moz and some of you lot here?
well, dont know what happened but you seem to have regressed, its a shame, but all too common, my main feeling about it is honestly feeling sorry for Moz and the like more than anything else, all this reactionary garbage is just a hick up and anyways, right wing white based racism will be bred out of existence no matter what. whether its a century or 2 or whatever
but the Western Ideals, you do a great disservice to them by attaching them monstrous things like fascism and the like :tears:
 
Are you perfect, have you never sinned? You're casting a lot of stones...
Robby is just very hateful and judgemental teddy bear who never served in the army nor did he ever have a dad. He struggles to get by moving like a traveller from place to place and his excursions abroad had more to do with him being in trouble with the american authorities.

I have researched the guy and found some extremely disturbing information that I won't share here however I can disclose that he was bullied by skins and even people in the KKK which explains his views. I've dealt with a lot of people like him whose world view is based on the fact they were once the victims of bullying as kids and teens and even as adults.

His need to hide from the real world and what is going on is astounding but no one from the american military share his views and we all know why. The guy has just worked so hard on building his image here which falls flat taking into account his track record which includes stalking and harassing women using this website as a platform for it.

I even question his heritage and looking at him you can clearly see he has got his genes from a mix of gypsies and indians and they are always full of it.
 
the quickest way to become a hard core 'incel' is to ask random women/men out to dinner at
the dollar store.:rock:
 
Love all kinds of culture. But if you've come here then talk to me in the language I know.
 

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