Morrissey Central "CANCEL CULTURE BEGINS AT HOME" (January 11, 2024)


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"There is also an obvious media shift to delete me from being the central essence of The Smiths, but this cannot work because I invented the group name, the song-titles, the album titles, the artwork, the vocal melodies, and all of the lyrical sentiments came from my heart … and so it's a bit like saying Mick Jagger had nothing to do with the Stones. Several news sites now claim that the initial meeting at Rough Trade Records was with "Johnny Marr and Andy Rourke," even though Andy wasn't even a committed band member at that point. The meeting, of course, was Morrissey and Marr. Even Geoff Travis has now suddenly decided that he "can't remember who was with Johnny," even though Geoff looked me squarely in the eye on that very day and said "we'd like to release Hand In Glove immediately," and he then more importantly said to me that his name was Geoff with a G, not Jeff with a J. The hounds are snapping!

Hand in glove, I stake my claim! I'll fight to the last breath! "

-Morrissey, in conversation, 2023.

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Morrissey in Tokyo, 2023, by Ryan Lowry.


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Seriously, what's wrong with him? Where does all this paranoia come from? Nobody will ever delete him from the Smiths' history, not even his so called enemies and nobody is seriously trying to. That's absolutely ridiculous.On the contrary, he's always mentioned, when someone talks about the Smiths. If there are conflicting accounts of what has happened in this one particular occasion, that's totally normal. People misremember things or get quoted wrong etc. It happens all the time. Why the need to be so petty and calling himself "the central essence of the Smiths" and it was of course "Morrissey and Marr". Nobody seriously doubts his impact or is going to cancel him out of the Smiths. As I suspected with his celebrity list and the recent Smiths posts he seems to look back like a grumpy old man with the need to prove that he is worthy of whatever. That's so weird. He has a huge legacy nobody can take from him, he has nothing to prove anymore and still acts like he is so uberimportant that someone will erase him from history because of what? Come on, just start to celebrate again what you have and all will be OK. Yes, Johnny recently still got massively celebrated for the Smiths, but that's because he puts it out there and Morrissey doesn't. But this story is old....
 
It does remind me of this, from a BBC Sounds playlist a couple of years ago... Hmm.

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Yeah, no one can say he’s being paranoid. Ok maybe slightly. But things like that are out there pointing to what can be perceived (especially by him) as ‘cancellation’ or a trying to.
 
But lots of historical accounts, Severed Alliance, press, Wikipedia etc say it was Johnny and Andy that went to Rough Trade with Hand in Glove? Or am I misunderstanding what he is referring to ? ‘Marr and Rourke visited London to hand a cassette of their recordings to Geoff Travis of the independent record label Rough Trade Records.[38]

From Johnny's book:

"The activity at 70 Portland Street increased even more after we’d been in Strawberry Studios. Joe’s life was now all about the band, and everyone in the building was living with our own soundtrack, ‘Hand in Glove’. We wracked our brains for ideas about how best to get our song out on vinyl and decided that if we were unable to find a suitable record company then we would form our own label and put the song out ourselves. I liked the plan, as at least it meant a guaranteed release, but I still had my mind set on Rough Trade. There was only one thing left to do: I had to go there and ask them to sign us.

I’d stayed in touch with Matt Johnson since we’d met the year before, and I called him and asked if he could put me up when I got to London. Matt offered to let me stay on his couch, and I made my way to Rough Trade and took Andy with me for moral support. When we got to the Rough Trade offices I had no plan or strategy; it was just a matter of winging it. I asked at reception if there was someone we could see about playing our tape, but we were given the brush-off as everyone was either too busy or out of the office. We hung around conspicuously for a while and made more enquiries about when to come back, until the young guy at the desk finally gave in and allowed us to wait while he got a message to Simon Edwards, who I assumed was a Rough Trade boss. After a long wait we were eventually seen by a courteous and businesslike man who asked us the name of the band, then took the tape into a small office down the corridor, presumably to play it.

Andy and I waited anxiously, and I was hoping that the gentleman was grooving irresistibly to ‘Hand in Glove’ at full volume in a state of euphoria, punching the air with the realisation that he’d discovered the biggest new guitar band in England. He came back quickly and coolly handed the tape to me.

‘Yes, it’s good,’ he said, ‘but I can’t really do anything. You’d have to let Geoff hear it.’

‘Good,’ I thought, ‘he said it was good, he didn’t say “go away”.’ But still, it wasn’t exactly the reaction I was hoping for. I thought he’d at least be out of breath after all that grooving. ‘Who’s this Geoff?’ I thought. ‘Who’s Geoff?’ I said.

‘Geoff’s the head of the label, and he decides what we put out,’ said Simon. ‘Perhaps you could send it to him?’

‘Send it’ – that definitely sounded like a brush-off, and my heart rate quickened as I feared my opportunity was slipping away. ‘Can I see him?’ I asked. ‘We’ve come all the way from Manchester.’ I was getting a bit desperate; I knew how good the song was and that all they had to do was hear it and they’d love it.

‘Geoff’s in a meeting all afternoon. I can’t disturb him now,’ said Simon politely, and then gestured over to an office where a tall man was stood talking by a window.

It was clear that this was as close as we were going to get for the moment. I wasn’t about to badger the man or prostrate myself before him, but my instinct also told me that I was on the brink of a crucial moment. As we turned to walk out of the building, I nodded to Andy to follow me into the warehouse, where there was a loading bay filled with hundreds of boxes. I started to act like I was stacking records. So far, so good. There was so much activity in the loading bay with people coming and going that no one noticed any interlopers, even if one of them did look like Stuart Sutcliffe. I kept watching the office where I’d seen Geoff, waiting for him to come out. An hour or so passed, and then I saw him come out of the door and make his way down the corridor, looking very busy. Here was my chance. I walked up to him and took out our tape, and as he went past me I grabbed his arm and said, ‘Geoff … hi.’ He stopped, and I was surprised myself at how unexpected the moment was. ‘I’m in a band from Manchester, we’re called The Smiths, and we’ve done a song we’d really like to put out on Rough Trade.’ I needed to let him know about our commitment to it coming out, so I said, ‘If you don’t want to put it on the label, we could put it out on our own label and you could distribute it.’ Geoff was calm and seemingly unconcerned at being accosted by a tiny northerner.

‘I’ll listen to it over the weekend,’ he said.

I believed him, and in my happiness and enthusiasm I blurted out, ‘You won’t have heard anything like it before.’"
 
My favourite story about Geoff with a G was when he congratulated Morrissey on the success of Meat Is Murder by handing him a packet of biscuits with the £2.75 label still attached.
 
An Open Letter to Morrissey from Johnny Marr:

"This is not a rant or an hysterical bombast. It is a polite and calmly measured request: Would you please stop mentioning my name in your interviews? Would you please, instead, discuss your own career, your own unstoppable solo achievements and your own music? If you can, would you please just leave me out of it? Please stop. It is 2022, not 1982.'
 
I'm not questioning Morrissey's version, just wondering why it hasn't been noted before because so many

From Johnny's book:

"The activity at 70 Portland Street increased even more after we’d been in Strawberry Studios. Joe’s life was now all about the band, and everyone in the building was living with our own soundtrack, ‘Hand in Glove’. We wracked our brains for ideas about how best to get our song out on vinyl and decided that if we were unable to find a suitable record company then we would form our own label and put the song out ourselves. I liked the plan, as at least it meant a guaranteed release, but I still had my mind set on Rough Trade. There was only one thing left to do: I had to go there and ask them to sign us.

I’d stayed in touch with Matt Johnson since we’d met the year before, and I called him and asked if he could put me up when I got to London. Matt offered to let me stay on his couch, and I made my way to Rough Trade and took Andy with me for moral support. When we got to the Rough Trade offices I had no plan or strategy; it was just a matter of winging it. I asked at reception if there was someone we could see about playing our tape, but we were given the brush-off as everyone was either too busy or out of the office. We hung around conspicuously for a while and made more enquiries about when to come back, until the young guy at the desk finally gave in and allowed us to wait while he got a message to Simon Edwards, who I assumed was a Rough Trade boss. After a long wait we were eventually seen by a courteous and businesslike man who asked us the name of the band, then took the tape into a small office down the corridor, presumably to play it.

Andy and I waited anxiously, and I was hoping that the gentleman was grooving irresistibly to ‘Hand in Glove’ at full volume in a state of euphoria, punching the air with the realisation that he’d discovered the biggest new guitar band in England. He came back quickly and coolly handed the tape to me.

‘Yes, it’s good,’ he said, ‘but I can’t really do anything. You’d have to let Geoff hear it.’

‘Good,’ I thought, ‘he said it was good, he didn’t say “go away”.’ But still, it wasn’t exactly the reaction I was hoping for. I thought he’d at least be out of breath after all that grooving. ‘Who’s this Geoff?’ I thought. ‘Who’s Geoff?’ I said.

‘Geoff’s the head of the label, and he decides what we put out,’ said Simon. ‘Perhaps you could send it to him?’

‘Send it’ – that definitely sounded like a brush-off, and my heart rate quickened as I feared my opportunity was slipping away. ‘Can I see him?’ I asked. ‘We’ve come all the way from Manchester.’ I was getting a bit desperate; I knew how good the song was and that all they had to do was hear it and they’d love it.

‘Geoff’s in a meeting all afternoon. I can’t disturb him now,’ said Simon politely, and then gestured over to an office where a tall man was stood talking by a window.

It was clear that this was as close as we were going to get for the moment. I wasn’t about to badger the man or prostrate myself before him, but my instinct also told me that I was on the brink of a crucial moment. As we turned to walk out of the building, I nodded to Andy to follow me into the warehouse, where there was a loading bay filled with hundreds of boxes. I started to act like I was stacking records. So far, so good. There was so much activity in the loading bay with people coming and going that no one noticed any interlopers, even if one of them did look like Stuart Sutcliffe. I kept watching the office where I’d seen Geoff, waiting for him to come out. An hour or so passed, and then I saw him come out of the door and make his way down the corridor, looking very busy. Here was my chance. I walked up to him and took out our tape, and as he went past me I grabbed his arm and said, ‘Geoff … hi.’ He stopped, and I was surprised myself at how unexpected the moment was. ‘I’m in a band from Manchester, we’re called The Smiths, and we’ve done a song we’d really like to put out on Rough Trade.’ I needed to let him know about our commitment to it coming out, so I said, ‘If you don’t want to put it on the label, we could put it out on our own label and you could distribute it.’ Geoff was calm and seemingly unconcerned at being accosted by a tiny northerner.

‘I’ll listen to it over the weekend,’ he said.

I believed him, and in my happiness and enthusiasm I blurted out, ‘You won’t have heard anything like it before.’"
I think there are definitely two different events??? The one when Andy and Johnny went and dropped off the tape. And then the signing to Rough Trade. From Morrissey's Autobiography:

“Lugubrious historian Geoff Travis looked bitterly upon the Smiths because, on the day that Johnny and I arrived for our scheduled meeting (clutching Hand in glove), Geoff waved us away and didn’t want to see us. It was only because Johnny chased after Geoff and pinned him to the swivel-chair in Geoff’s private hutch that Geoff very reluctantly listened to the music. ‘Well, it’s excellent and I’d like to release it immediately,’ said the man who, four minutes earlier, wouldn’t even say hello. From that moment on, once ‘the Smiths’ (actually just Johnny and I) were signed to Rough Trade.
 
Johnny and Andy say they went down on a random visit.
Morrissey says he was there for a scheduled visit.
 
This is why artists like Neil Arthur from Blancmange/Fader/The Remainder are so prolific - they don't waste time or mental effort like this denying crap that no right-minded person would believe or probably even notice. Put the drama into the music.
 
I think there are definitely two different events??? The one when Andy and Johnny went and dropped off the tape. And then the signing to Rough Trade. From Morrissey's Autobiography:

“Lugubrious historian Geoff Travis looked bitterly upon the Smiths because, on the day that Johnny and I arrived for our scheduled meeting (clutching Hand in glove), Geoff waved us away and didn’t want to see us. It was only because Johnny chased after Geoff and pinned him to the swivel-chair in Geoff’s private hutch that Geoff very reluctantly listened to the music. ‘Well, it’s excellent and I’d like to release it immediately,’ said the man who, four minutes earlier, wouldn’t even say hello. From that moment on, once ‘the Smiths’ (actually just Johnny and I) were signed to Rough Trade.

the ‘pinning’ is something Boon also mentions (time stamped below) It seems that it’s Morrissey that may be misremembering, and sadly erasing the whole Marr & Andy story.

I imagine that it was really Marr and Andy that delivered the tape and got it to Geoff, and then soon after Marr and Morrissey had an official ‘scheduled meeting’ with Geoff.

 
I might fall in the minority but the Ryan Lowry photographs are not that impressive as everyone seems to make them out to be. For someone as accomplished as Ryan, these compositions are basic at best.
 
Johnny and Andy say they went down on a random visit.
Morrissey says he was there for a scheduled visit.
Exactly, what Marr tells is the meeting with Geof T, that guy told him I'm going to listen to the song, Andy was there, and they left. The second relevant meeting was Johnny Moz and G and here they signed because G was satisfied
 
Complaining about a situation that he caused. He treats music execs, journos, collaborators etc with contempt, publicly shits on specific individuals (and none more than Geoff T!) and then expects them to turn around and defend him, really? Nobody will ever take The Smiths away but Morrissey is a petty fool who has never had a good word to say about anyone and this is where it led - he is the Billy No-Mates of pop.
 
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Shut up Moz. How about people think you're a dick these days and are voting with their wallets? How about some apologies and humility? But that's not like you, is it? Never explain, never apolgise, you're always right, everyone else is wrong. How about you stop paying people to agree with you, get your head into the wider world, stop worshipping money, start being nice to people, and just...maybe just...things might change?
you really are mad,must annoy the shit out of you that M is still going strong.
 
What a foolish Moz ,... it is necessary to clarify who each one is in The Smiths!! Moz on 1 and Johnny on two... Moz: We don't need to know who's the most important in the band... MOZ 1 JOHNNY 2 Very simple and clear !!! Mozuchisss lejos el mejor .
Carreron como solista estilo unico inimitable tranqui Moz!!!!!!!
 

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