"As a black teenager, I loved Morrissey. But heaven knows..." - Guardian article by Joshua Surtees

Going by how many anti-Corbyn articles the Guardian managed to publish after he was first elected leader, I suspect they've got about another 150 of these anti-Morrissey pieces in the pipeline...

As a black teenager, I loved Morrissey. But heaven knows I’m miserable now - Opinion / The Guardian
By Joshua Surtees
I used to defend Morrissey against accusations of racism. Now I feel betrayed by his support for bigots like Tommy Robinson

(And it's some top class trolling, using "Heaven Knows..." in the article title, given how much they know Morrissey hates that and "Bigmouth" being used in headlines.)

This is never going to end unless Morrissey backtracks/apologises. Which means: this is never going to end.

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[Stephen Hofmann]

But you and a few others are literally promoting racism. All of this about different races having different IQ's is literally racism.
You don't have to actually be knocking someone in the head to be a racist.

If there wasn't a difference in race IQ's, how do you account for the differences between Africa and Europe by say 1850?

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

At least you're honest about being racist.

Racists are the only honest people I know.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

Racism requires complex thinking and other higher cognitive functions that canines simply don't possess.

See? This is what I have been talking about. Racists are deep complex thinkers.
Everyone wants to tell me that I'm uneducated and ignorant but once dogs start getting racist, all of a sudden, racism is for intellectuals.

 

[The Truth]

Racists are the only honest people I know.

If you believe all people are racist than you will naturally think those that say they're not are lying. The problem is you've got several people on here saying they are not racist but pushing the same beliefs as you are.

 

[The Truth]

See? This is what I have been talking about. Racists are deep complex thinkers.
Everyone wants to tell me that I'm uneducated and ignorant but once dogs start getting racist, all of a sudden, racism is for intellectuals.

Your thinking may be more complex than that of a dog, I'll give you that, but the fact you can't glean the meaning of that sentence marks you as "low IQ."

 

[reelfountain]

Nowadays you're not supposed to question anything... or you are an EVIL RACIST!

I'm beyond caring what people call me. I'll keep questioning until I'm in a wooden box.

Being a questioning person nowadays is akin to absolute subversion.

 

[The Truth]

If there wasn't a difference in race IQ's, how do you account for the differences between Africa and Europe by say 1850?

You state that like it's a fact. Do you think that accurate IQ testing accounting for cultural differences and done in a completely scientific way was taking place in 1850?

 

[reelfountain]

It's okay to be racist against whites however. No problem at all.

How dare whites want to preserve their culture? How dare they talk about demographics.

How dare they be angry at their government for wanting to open the borders rather than encourage and make it easier for the host population to have more children.

How dare they know what's really going on.

How dare they threaten the masterplan of one global consumer culture!

 

[reelfountain]

You state that like it's a fact. Do you think that accurate IQ testing accounting for cultural differences and done in a completely scientific way was taking place in 1850?

You don't even need scientific questioning. Being in the presence of someone having a conversation on their phone usually tells you all you need to know.

 

[The Truth]

You don't even need scientific questioning. Being in the presence of someone having a conversation on their phone usually tells you all you need to know.

Exactly. The end result was decided before the testing started.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

You state that like it's a fact. Do you think that accurate IQ testing accounting for cultural differences and done in a completely scientific way was taking place in 1850?

I'm saying if you look at the seperate continental accomplishments, nearly all European countries had achieved by that date, compared to nearly all African countries, they don't really match up. And don't forget, most of Africa hadn't been colonised up to that point and there's little doubt that the African countries that did progress, were because of colonisation, despite what ever wrongs occured during the way.

 

[The Truth]

It's okay to be racist against whites however. No problem at all.

How dare whites want to preserve their culture? How dare they talk about demographics.

How dare they be angry at their government for wanting to open the borders rather than encourage and make it easier for the host population to have more children.

How dare they know what's really going on.

How dare they threaten the masterplan of one global consumer culture!

If you and the rest of these hateful and ignorant people are "white culture" the sooner it dies the better.

 

[Anonymous]

‘Racism is common sense In fact,’


There is nothing natural about racism.

But it's just the evolved version of tribalism, innit?

 

[reelfountain]

Exactly. The end result was decided before the testing started.

That's right. Low IQ is often obvious. For example, who would willingly walk down the street in a black halloween costume every day of the year if they weren't absolutely stupid?

 

[Anonymous]

Er, where have you been? They arrived months ago. There's actually well-known, white nationalists posting here. Welcome to Morrissey tour 2019!

I haven't been anywhere. I'm just stating the obvious.

 

[reelfountain]

If you and the rest of these hateful and ignorant people are "white culture" the sooner it dies the better.

Liberals are busy killing white culture as we speak, so you're not very original. Just one of the herd.

 

[The Truth]

I'm saying if you look at the seperate continental accomplishments, nearly all European countries had achieved by that date, compared to nearly all African countries, they don't really match up. And don't forget, most of Africa hadn't been colonised up to that point and there's little doubt that the African countries that did progress, were because of colonisation, despite what ever wrongs occured during the way.

So when you said "race IQ's" you really meant something else entirely?
I don't think you know what you're talking about. I just see some very general statements.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

If you believe all people are racist than you will naturally think those that say they're not are lying.

Maybe not everyone. People who don't have much contact with minorities will generally defer to pop culture which portrayals minorities as angelic. And some people are just plain brainwashed and will not step out of the matrix no matter how much evidence they you at them. Not everyone can be saved, alas...

I don't think there's anything admirably about not being racist. To me, all it means is that you are incapable of even the most rudimentary pattern recognition.

The problem is you've got several people on here saying they are not racist but pushing the same beliefs as you are.

Debating with liberals will almost always devolve into hairsplitting over the definition of words. Liberals feel if they can prove that what you are saying or believe fits either the definition of "racist" or "fascist" then they have won the argument. It's all word games
I just say I'm racist right up front while denying that there is anything wrong with that just so we can avoid the whole arguing over the definition of words and actually deal with the substance of I'm saying. Like "Yeah, I'm racist but am I wrong?" It saves time.

Whether other people pushing the same ideas as me who do not identify as "racist" either a) they are in denial, b) "hiding their power level" for personal reasons or c) they have a different definition of "racist". Probably they believe "racist" must require malice. They call 'em as they see 'em but wish no harm on anyone.
However, to a liberal "racist" just means you believe things about race that would hurt people's feels if you said it out loud. It has nothing to do with truth or malice. Just that it hurts people's feelings. I believe things about race that hurt people's feelings if I said out loud. So therefor, I am a racist. I will grant that premise just to get it out of the way.

Your thinking may be more complex than that of a dog, I'll give you that, but the fact you can't glean the meaning of that senses marks you as "low IQ."

The are differences in average IQ among the different races. There is loads of evidence.
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

 

[The Truth]

That's right. Low IQ is often obvious. For example, who would willingly walk down the street in a black halloween costume every day of the year if they weren't absolutely stupid?

Robert Smith?

 

[The Truth]

Maybe not everyone. People who don't have much contact with minorities will generally defer to pop culture which portrayals minorities as angelic. And some people are just plain brainwashed and will not step out of the matrix no matter how much evidence they you at them. Not everyone can be saved, alas...

I don't think there's anything admirably about not being racist. To me, all it means is that you are incapable of even the most rudimentary pattern recognition.



Debating with liberals will almost always devolve into hairsplitting over the definition of words. Liberals feel if they can prove that what you are saying or believe fits either the definition of "racist" or "fascist" then they have won the argument. It's all word games
I just say I'm racist right up front while denying that there is anything wrong with that just so we can avoid the whole arguing over the definition of words and actually deal with the substance of I'm saying. Like "Yeah, I'm racist but am I wrong?" It saves time.

Whether other people pushing the same ideas as me who do not identify as "racist" either a) they are in denial, b) "hiding their power level" for personal reasons or c) they have a different definition of "racist". Probably they believe "racist" must require malice. They call 'em as they see 'em but wish no harm on anyone.
However, to a liberal "racist" just means you believe things about race that would hurt people's feels if you said it out loud. It has nothing to do with truth or malice. Just that it hurts people's feelings. I believe things about race that hurt people's feelings if I said out loud. So therefor, I am a racist. I will grant that premise just to get it out of the way.



The are differences in average IQ among the different races. There is loads of evidence.
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

Debating with anyone is largely dependent on the definitions of words.