The Independent - Morrissey Central (25/6/2019)

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The Independent - Morrissey Central
June 25, 2019

"Morrissey reaffirms support for far-right party" is today's headline in The Independent. They offer this absolute lie because they know they can get away with it. They will not be challenged. De-platforming and destroying lives is the principle motivation of modern journalism.
And so be it.
I cannot afford to take the Independent to court, thus I cannot afford to defend myself. I therefore step away, and I wish others more luck and more support with the press of Soviet Britain than I can muster.
The British Arts, we must assume, are officially dead.
The name 'The Independent' means independent of any morality, any principles of conduct, and any distinction between right and wrong.
… and this is the free British press? God help us all."

MORRISSEY
25 June 2019

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[reelfountain]

I used to be down on my extended family because i have/had a Christian family up north and my mom was a Christian but not a practising one. But, I dunno, i was young and it didn't speak to me. I find I'm more inclined to it these days. Maybe that's just age and seeing loved ones die off and looking at the deeper meanings of life.

That's interesting. And if I were you I would persue this more yourself with reading and research etc - at your own pace of course... as I've said before, I think it's a good philosophy. No rush.

 

[lutewhine]

Not one person has ever given a decent explanation of how For Britain is a far right party.

If they did, this discussion could end right now.

Waters literally ran an anti-Islam organisation with Tommy Robinson. She now leads For Britain. Ergo they are a far right party, simply through their association with her, and her association with him. Are we airbrushing Tommy f*cking Robinson
now?

Have people genuinely latched on to For Britain as a result of Moz’s support for them? Are his fans really that blinkered and deluded?

 

[reelfountain]

Waters literally ran an anti-Islam organisation with Tommy Robinson. She now leads For Britain. Ergo they are a far right party, simply through their association with her, and her association with him. Are we airbrushing Tommy f*cking Robinson
now?

Have people genuinely latched on to For Britain as a result of Moz’s support for them? Are his fans really that blinkered and deluded?

She was also once a member of the Labour Party. So?

Nobody's perfect. Especially in politics.

 

[Anonymous]

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[lutewhine]

She was also once a member of the Labour Party. So?

She didn’t run the Labour Party. She was the LEADER of Pegida UK, an organisation founded by Tommy Robinson.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Waters literally ran an anti-Islam organisation with Tommy Robinson. She now leads For Britain. Ergo they are a far right party, simply through their association with her, and her association with him. Are we airbrushing Tommy f*cking Robinson
now?

Have people genuinely latched on to For Britain as a result of Moz’s support for them? Are his fans really that blinkered and deluded?

Anti-Islamic in the sense of being against the negative. Or being realistic and talking about the problems. Maybe you'd prefer it was never talked about ?

 

[lutewhine]

Anti-Islamic in the sense of being against the negative. Or being realistic and talking about the problems. Maybe you'd prefer it was never talked about ?

Right, so you’re absolutely OK with the methods TOMMY F*CKING ROBINSON uses? Did you ever see Pegida UK’s Facebook page? The absolute state of the users on it. Don’t talk about it like it was a little knitting circle of people talking like adults about some of the challenges blah blah blah.

People were on there, every day, calling for brown people to be murdered.

 

[klaus]

what do you think morrissey does all day when he's not touring? i imagine lots of cardio followed by some duolingo time. maybe a few hot showers and also quite a lot of online shopping.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Right, so you’re absolutely OK with the methods TOMMY F*CKING ROBINSON uses? Did you ever see Pegida UK’s Facebook page? The absolute state of the users on it. Don’t talk about it like it was a little knitting circle of people talking like adults about some of the challenges blah blah blah.

People were on there, every day, calling for brown people to be murdered.

I doubt they were. I'm sure TR attracts some knuckle-heads but so do Labour and personally, I don't have a big problem with TR. I have a problem with the likes of Owen Jones, Mike Stuckberry, Hope Not Hate, that Femi twat going on against Brexit, Jeremy I hate Jews Corbyn, the fake Tory Party, the loony left, the progressives.........but not TR.

 

[lutewhine]

I doubt they were. I'm sure TR attracts some knuckle-heads but so do Labour and personally, I don't have a big problem with TR. I have a problem with the likes of Owen Jones, Mike Stuckberry, Hope Not Hate, that Femi twat going on against Brexit, Jeremy I hate Jews Corbyn, the fake Tory Party, the loony left, the progressives.........but not TR.

Well I’m telling you, they were. And not just the odd comment that had slipped through unmoderated either.

If you don’t have a problem with Tommy Robinson, I have no time for you.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Well I’m telling you, they were. And not just the odd comment that had slipped through unmoderated either.

If you don’t have a problem with Tommy Robinson, I have no time for you.

That's fine. I'm not a Nazi. I believe in free speach and the discussion of ideas. I'm sorry you don't.

 

[gordyboy9]

It's not a lie, it's 100% true and has been repeated in right wing newspapers too. He won't due because he knows there's no case, the silly old bastard.

learn to spell.

 

[Nikita]

Again, the irony in all this is that historically, the parties against immigration were the lefties.

 

[gordyboy9]

Well I’m telling you, they were. And not just the odd comment that had slipped through unmoderated either.

If you don’t have a problem with Tommy Robinson, I have no time for you.

I will give you the same treatment as nairng,90 posts in 13 years,less than 7 posts a year and here you are the words of wisdom.

 

[Peanut]

..They will not allow their daughters to date white non-Muslims. If a girl breaks this rule she will at least be beaten, at most raped by her own family then murdered. This is what happens. Also look at the Islamic rape gangs in English towns who target only underage white girls. ..

This is not "Islam" though - this is a group consisting of very socially conservative, poorly educated people, mostly originating from rural parts of Pakistan.

You can see similar problems in parts of nearby India in relation to sexual harassment of women. Sure, religion plays a part in terms of people using it to justify their behaviour, but "Islam" is not a mono-culture, and grouping for example, the average Syrian, Iranian or Turk in with this community in the UK is completely silly, and nothing more or less than pre-determined guilt by association.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

This is not "Islam" though - this is a group consisting of very socially conservative, poorly educated people, mostly from rural parts of Pakistan.

You can see similar problems in parts of nearby India in relation to sexual harassment of women. Sure, religion plays a part in terms of people using it to justify their behaviour, but "Islam" is not a mono-culture, and grouping for example, the average Syrian, Iranian or Turk in with this community in the UK is completely silly, and nothing more or less than pre-determined guilt by association.

You do realize you are describing Islam right? Islam is conservative and idolized by poorly educated people.

 

[GodEmperorMorrissey]

He says it's a lie because he thinks FB is not a far-right party. You can argue the toss about this, because there's no firm definition of what constitutes a 'far-right party'. I would call em far-right personally. Wikipedia and all the papers agree. Just like Styxhexenbollocks and all those youtubers Moz watches too much of, they too are far-right in most people's books. A court case would have a very slim chance of success.

You are sourcing left wing/progressive ideological sites as your understanding of what far right is. Most people want secure borders and their country not to devolve into third world shit holes

 

[Oh my]

The article published by The Independent is 90% literal quotes.
I don't think there is any chance of during them... Even if they are cherry picker quotes and it would be possible to write an article titled "Morrissey is a hardcore left winger who supports Marxism" by cherry picking other quotes.

In both cases, it would be impossible to sue the person who wrote the article.

 

[The Truth]

In a whopping 5 minutes of googling it seems to me that in the UK the term "far right" is mostly equated to nationalism. I'm sure there are nuances to it that I'm omitting but for the sake of keeping this simple and inline with what Morrissey has been saying I feel comfortable using that as the basic accusation.

There does not appear to much of an agenda beyond that with For Britain.

It feels like they were American they would be described liberal-nationalists.. A leftist group with a far right stance on immigration.

If he were to go to court to sue someone for claiming he is far right he would definitely lose within the context of the term in Britain.

I certainly would prefer he keep to singing because he has gotten a bit delusional.

I think you're probably right about the perception of nationalism equating to "far right" in the UK. The main point I see is a little different. The headline doesn't say Morissey "is" anything. The only part that is up for debate is whether For Britain is far right.
I think you're saying that Morrissey doesn't believe he supports a far right party and that's probably true. But he does support a party that is perceived as far right. He doesn't have a case.
The other thing is that it's a headline. I think even the most respectable news sources can be expected to sensationalize in the headline and then clarify in the story.

The insane thing here is that he seems bent on promoting this party but he doesn't vote and has lyrics saying that no one should vote. When the nephew mentions other parties that might possibly fit Morrissey's ideology he says he knows nothing about them. I understand he has the right to speak his mind but I can't see who benefits from it in any way. Aside from a few fanatics who probably ordered For Britain pins to be like Morrissey, I can't imagine he is going to generate any real support for the party. It just seems like a game he plays where he says something he knows will get a response and then complains when people respond.

 

[SHEILA SMITH]

"The name 'The Independent' means independent of any morality, any principles of conduct, and any distinction between right and wrong.
… and this is the free British press? God help us all."

HEY! YOU ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF HERE! YOU DON'T HAVE INDEPENDENT MORALITY, AS YOU GET INFLUENCED BY A PARTY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES OF CONDUCT BY TALKING SHIT. AND AFTER SO MUCH BULLSHIT YOU KEEP SAYING, YOU SHOW YOU DON'T KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

ALWAY EASIER TO BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR MISTAKES, RIGHT? YOUR FRUSTRATIONS IN LIFE THROUGH THE YEARS ARE SHOWING UP NOW. KEEP DIGING YOUR OWN GRAVE MY FRIEND.

OH YES!! REMEMBER? "IT TAKES STRENGTH TO BE GENTLE AND KIND"!!!

GOOD RIDDANCE!