SER: "A Larks' Tongue In April" - Morrissey interview - Morrissey Central (24 June, 2019)

The Interview. - Morrissey Central
June 24, 2019

A LARKS’ TONGUE IN APRIL.

conversation with Morrissey,

April 2019, by Sam Esty Rayner.

*we apologize for the delay in printing this interview.

Excerpt:

"sam:
You cancelled 6 shows in Italy because of the incident. People are beginning to think your middle name is Cancellation.

M:
I know. But, as far as I can see, many bands cancel and nothing is ever said about it. The song and dance made about my cancellations is usually from people who wouldn’t go to the concert in the first place.

sam:
But you will play the Canada dates?

M:
Yes.

sam:
Is your hand bad? Obviously it’s covered.

M:
The stitches are out now but if I had shaken anyone’s hand last week blood would have spurted. That’s not a nice greeting.

sam:
I don’t think anyone ever believes that you’re ill, or that you fell, or whatever.

M:
I know. Generally colds and flu are passed on to me, and there’s nothing you can do when your voice is your instrument. I go to abnormal lengths to avoid colds."

https://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/234417-the-interview



Covering a lot of recent (and old) topics.
Full transcript reproduced below in parts (due to word limits).
Regards,
FWD.

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Media coverage:

• Morrissey sparks controversy by claiming 'everyone prefers their own race' as he reaffirms support for far-right party For Britain - Daily Mail Online. Link posted by Surface.
• Morrissey reaffirms support for far-right party and claims 'everyone prefers their own race' - The Independent.
  
• Morrissey claims ‘everyone prefers their own race’ as he steps up support for For Britain - Metro.
  
• Morrissey reaffirms For Britain support, denies he is racist, and apologises to Robert Smith in an interview with his nephew - NME.
  
• 'Everyone ultimately prefers their own race': Morrissey tackles the Arena bomb, racism and Nigel Farage in bizarre new interview - Manchester Evening News.
  
• Morrissey “apologises” to Robert Smith of The Cure for 80s insults - Radio X.
  
• Morrissey Branded 'Racist' Online After Saying Farage 'Would Make Good Prime Minister' - SputnikNews.com.
  
• Morrissey says Nigel Farage would 'make a good prime minister' as he voices support for right-wing group For Britain - Evening Standard.
• Morrissey Denies He Is Racist, Attacks The Press, And Apologizes To Robert Smith In New Interview With His Nephew - Stereogum.com.
• Morrissey on Nigel Farage: “It’s obvious that he would make a good prime minister” - Far Out Magazine.
• Morrissey combats racism accusations by claiming “everyone prefers their own race” in interview - TheFader.com

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[The Truth]

I read some pretty decent experts that said that outdated racist theories are exclusively used to justify "scientifically" what is actually just plain old racism.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

The thing is what genes of that immense pool will we considered to put a given person into a race classification.

OK, so what you are saying is that because there is some ambiguity in classification of race and certain edge cases which are not easily defined that therefor race do not exist.
Look, there is day and then there is night. But every day, there is a brief period in between when it is neither day nor night. But the fact that those few minutes exist every day does not invalidate the concept of 'day and night".

Would you put a person in a given race just by the looks of that person?

No. Jews are not white.

That's utterly absurd, because two people who look alike can have less genes in common than two people who look very different.

I agree. Jews are more genetically similar to Arabs. That's why I say they are not white.

. It's even more absurd when people say that a person belongs to a race based only on the skin tone.

I don't know a single white nationalist who says that.

Just consider how many people don't descend in fact of who they think they descend. You would be surprised, but it's about 20% and growing as genetical tests become more popular.

Yes, some people thought they are German but then find out they are actually Irish. But there are zero people who thought they were German and then find out that they are actually Chinese.

Besides, humans aren't bred in cages

Yes, natural selection is a more random and chaotic process than artificial selection. But the fact that it is more random and chaotic is ALL THE MORE REASON to expect unequal results. You would expect a chaotic process to yield results which are diverse, not equal.

Skin tone was an external feature historically used to justify colonialism

Skin tone is an evolutionary adaptation. White people have light skin because northern climates get less sunlight and so white people evolved lighter skin so as to better absorb sunlight for vitamin D. This kicked into high gear when Europeans switch from hunter/gatherer diet to an agrarian diet which is lower in vitamin D. This is also why white people have higher levels of lactose tolerance: we started drinking animal's milk for the vitamin D.

The fact that we have different skin tones is in fact evidence of our evolutionary divergence.

I feel sorry for people like you because the truth is so much more fascinating than your delusions. It's depressing f*** but fascinating as hell.

 

[Anonymous]

I hope nobody reads the entirety of this thread. Ever! How can one thread contain so much bollocks?

Morrissey does an interview and the usual clowns fill in the non-existent blanks with drivel.

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

I read some pretty decent experts that said that outdated racist theories are exclusively used to justify "scientifically" what is actually just plain old racism.

I too read some decent experts that I am not going to name who made claims that I'm not going to link to who said things that totally agree with me and prove you wrong.

See how easy that is to do?

 

[Anonymous]

OK, so what you are saying is that because there is some ambiguity in classification of race and certain edge cases which are not easily defined that therefor race do not exist.
Look, there is day and then there is night. But every day, there is a brief period in between when it is neither day nor night. But the fact that those few minutes exist every day does not invalidate the concept of 'day and night".



No. Jews are not white.



I agree. Jews are more genetically similar to Arabs. That's why I say they are not white.



I don't know a single white nationalist who says that.



Yes, some people thought they are German but then find out they are actually Irish. But there are zero people who thought they were German and then find out that they are actually Chinese.



Yes, natural selection is a more random and chaotic process than artificial selection. But the fact that it is more random and chaotic is ALL THE MORE REASON to expect unequal results. You would expect a chaotic process to yield results which are diverse, not equal.



Skin tone is an evolutionary adaptation. White people have light skin because northern climates get less sunlight and so white people evolved lighter skin so as to better absorb sunlight for vitamin D. This kicked into high gear when Europeans switch from hunter/gatherer diet to an agrarian diet which is lower in vitamin D. This is also why white people have higher levels of lactose tolerance: we started drinking animal's milk for the vitamin D.

The fact that we have different skin tones is in fact evidence of our evolutionary divergence.

I feel sorry for people like you because the truth is so much more fascinating than your delusions. It's depressing f*** but fascinating as hell.

You have literally no idea what you are talking about. None. So stop pretending you do.

 

[The Truth]

Also, the only people that care when he cancels shows don't go to the shows anyway. All the people that bought tickets to cancelled shows should like reading that.
The thing is, it's a good idea for him to allow all of these subjects to be raised. But he bungles every one of them. He didn't mention Kevin Spacey again. I guess he figured out that blaming the parents wasn't really working out for him. But he did make it clear that when some "Hollywood" executive rapes someone it's just "the casting couch."
The difference is consent. The casting couch is a thing. Sexual assault is another thing. To say all actresses are whores is easy if you believe all women are whores. (except dear old mum, of course.)
Now I don't really think that is Morrissey's opinion. I just think he's stupid enough to have opinions on things he knows nothing about. He admitted knowing nothing about the Green Party, for example.

Anyway, getting away from the subject. It's probably a good idea for him to address all of these issues, but the way he did it was terrible. He needs someone that will actually question him because when he feels comfortable he says things that only make things worse.
The whole incident with the police in Rome, and Morrissey stating the officer's name again, didn't really serve any purpose did it?
It reminds me of when he publicly named the record executive who supposedly wouldn't allow the re-release of "Throwing My Arms Around Paris" and then after two weeks of drama it turned out that wasn't what happened at all. He wants to name people, I think, because he imagines his fans are going to find ways to harass them.
Like he's Beyonce or something.

 

[The Truth]

I too read some decent experts that I am not going to name who made claims that I'm not going to link to who said things that totally agree with me and prove you wrong.

See how easy that is to do?

Yeah, I see that.

 

[Anonymous]

Jeez! Is this Stormfront?

 

[countthree]

OK, so what you are saying is that because there is some ambiguity in classification of race and certain edge cases which are not easily defined that therefor race do not exist.
Look, there is day and then there is night. But every day, there is a brief period in between when it is neither day nor night. But the fact that those few minutes exist every day does not invalidate the concept of 'day and night".




No. Jews are not white.



I agree. Jews are more genetically similar to Arabs. That's why I say they are not white.



I don't know a single white nationalist who says that.



Yes, some people thought they are German but then find out they are actually Irish. But there are zero people who thought they were German and then find out that they are actually Chinese.



Yes, natural selection is a more random and chaotic process than artificial selection. But the fact that it is more random and chaotic is ALL THE MORE REASON to expect unequal results. You would expect a chaotic process to yield results which are diverse, not equal.



Skin tone is an evolutionary adaptation. White people have light skin because northern climates get less sunlight and so white people evolved lighter skin so as to better absorb sunlight for vitamin D. This kicked into high gear when Europeans switch from hunter/gatherer diet to an agrarian diet which is lower in vitamin D. This is also why white people have higher levels of lactose tolerance: we started drinking animal's milk for the vitamin D.

The fact that we have different skin tones is in fact evidence of our evolutionary divergence.

I feel sorry for people like you because the truth is so much more fascinating than your delusions. It's depressing f*** but fascinating as hell.

I don't agree and I could refute every single statement. But I don't have enough time nor enough patient to do so. Just hope you investigate and think a little more because what you call "edge cases", those are the immense majority, if not all, of cases. Besides, "white", "chinese" and "jews" are not human races, and I'm truly sorry for people who think and act based on those wrong parameters. Millions of human lives have been ruined and exploited by wrong beliefs. And millions have taken advantage of them.
As I see it, both Morrissey and Skinny are wrong because both of them believe in human races. It's funny how those who believe they are at the antipodes they are trapped in the same cultural box, and therefore they have more things in common between them than with anybody else.

 

[countthree]

This is a disaster.

And it needs course correction. Pronto.

Maybe anarchism is our true race. Maybe the need of freedom define some people more than their skin tone. Why not? Who said the defining characteristic of a human race must be a visible feature? Why not a genetically defined congenital impulse?

I'm joking, of course, but this is the same ridiculous reasoning used to promote the existence of human races based on any other human feature.

 

[Anonymous]

Morrissey interviews himself and Sam, can one person be so boring, he is as exciting as his awful record covers, is sick about loads of stuff Morrissey is sick about, the political views are repulsive, like he has been soaked in sour milk for a week!

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

It's funny how those who believe they are at the antipodes they are trapped in the same cultural box

We are not trapped in a box. We are liberated from your box. You have the same beliefs about race as Nike and Starbucks.

and therefore they have more things in common between them than with anybody else.

It's because we all seeing the same reality whereas everyone else is seeing what they want to see and that differs from person to person.

Look, none of this shit makes me happy. People think I walk around all day thinking "f*** yeah! White people are the best and I'm one of them!" when in reality, I walk around all day thinking "Holy shit! We're gonna go extinct and Western Civilization will collapse unless we do something!" That's not a happy place to be.

I would love to believe that race is a social construct. I would love to believe that all people of all skin tones are equal, equally intelligent, with equal potential and that all racial discrepancies in performance and life outcomes are due to these magical invisible forces (white privilege, institutional racism, etc) and that all we have to do is tweak the institutions and correct the structural problems and then we have a society where everyone is happy and prosperous and then I could die happy knowing that even if white people were to die out, that all these brown people would pick up the torch from our falling hands and carry Western Civilization onward into eternity.

I would love to believe that.

But the evidence for that simply does. not. exist.

 

[Eric Hartman]

'If my child had been killed at Manchester Arena I wouldn't be lighting candles and swaying. I'd be in a complete rage.'

His Mozjesty makes a valid point.

 

[The Truth]

When someone says "so what you're saying is" as opposed to "so are you saying," they really do not care what you are saying. Their mind is made up.
That little bit of whimsy about how night and day are really night and day was cute though.
The ISS orbits the Earth sixteen times a day. How many nights pass in twenty-four hours?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/

noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

This is a revealing statement. No, Morrissey, I can assure you that not everyone prefers their own race. Fortunately, that's not the world I live in. I certainly know that I don't prefer my own race, "ultimately" or otherwise. Does this make Morrissey racist? Well, I honestly didn't think he was before, but he's pretty much just admitted that's exactly what he is.

Morrissey doesn’t like most people and doesn’t feel they will ever get along, coming from him this is not news.

Also to say someone prefers is not the same as saying someone prefers their own race because they believe it is superior to other races.

Well said. That’s my thought, too. He has no coherent worldview, other than meat is evil.

I think if cornered, he wouldn’t mind if people thought of him that way. I mean, being an artist and being someone who has given a voice to the voiceless (animal rights) are two things I’m sure he would like to be remembered by, but ultimately he probably wouldn’t mind being remembered as a person who
has spoken their mind in a world where he knows everyone won’t agree with him.

I know it's near impossible to have a civilised arguement here, but let me express: the saddest thing here isn't if Morrissey is racist, or not, or if you agree with him, or not. Let's look at things from a perspective.
How would you feel if you discovered a great artist for yourself, then searched retrospectively interviews of given artist (a director, painter, acclaimed actor etc etc - i willingly won't pick anyone specific) from the 1960s,1970s, just to see, what his thoughts were on art, life, in his elderly years? Only to find he couldn't stop blah blah blah blah blah about some f***ing newspaper picking on him, or how the media tries to silence him blah blah blah....exactly. Where is the art? Who cares about his thoughts on immigration or races, especially in every single interview? Same as when John Lennon just wouldn't shut up about his visa status on the mid-70s. Who cares now?! To think how maby other questions could have been asked.

Yeah, it’s strange how interested the media(Guardian,Twitter,etc) are in what he has to say, they just go on and on and on, as if their views and false accusations will eventually change the man.
( It won’t change the man, but it’s very useful as clickbait) Very tiring. They should just focus on his art, and leave it at that.

 

[E Scott]

Another twisted thread of responses from cretins born of mother's with fetal alcohol syndrome. IQ above 3 is hard to find amongst some of these weirdos. WTF the usual Stormfront loser trolls...

 

[The Truth]

'If my child had been killed at Manchester Arena I wouldn't be lighting candles and swaying. I'd be in a complete rage.'

His Mozjesty makes a valid point.

He is saying that the people that participated in the tribute weren't angry enough. What sort of event would have seemed a good way to express this rage, I wonder?

 

[The Truth]

We are not trapped in a box. We are liberated from your box. You have the same beliefs about race as Nike and Starbucks.



It's because we all seeing the same reality whereas everyone else is seeing what they want to see and that differs from person to person.

Look, none of this shit makes me happy. People think I walk around all day thinking "f*** yeah! White people are the best and I'm one of them!" when in reality, I walk around all day thinking "Holy shit! We're gonna go extinct and Western Civilization will collapse unless we do something!" That's not a happy place to be.

I would love to believe that race is a social construct. I would love to believe that all people of all skin tones are equal, equally intelligent, with equal potential and that all racial discrepancies in performance and life outcomes are due to these magical invisible forces (white privilege, institutional racism, etc) and that all we have to do is tweak the institutions and correct the structural problems and then we have a society where everyone is happy and prosperous and then I could die happy knowing that even if white people were to die out, that all these brown people would pick up the torch from our falling hands and carry Western Civilization onward into eternity.

I would love to believe that.

But the evidence for that simply does. not. exist.

 

[reelfountain]

Lots of fake hysteria in the British press today about Moz stating the obvious with "people prefer their own race" ... etc.

Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7179799/Morrissey-blasted-claiming-prefers-race.html

London Evening Standard: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...ces-support-for-rightwing-group-a4175706.html

Metro: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/25/morr...-prefers-race-steps-support-britain-10064270/

 

[Anonymous]

'If my child had been killed at Manchester Arena I wouldn't be lighting candles and swaying. I'd be in a complete rage.'

His Mozjesty makes a valid point.

Given that his child wasn't killed at Manchester Arena, trying to tell people whose children were how they ought to feel about it just makes him an enormous twat. Again.