Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

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Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

"It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

- In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

- It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

- Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

-I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

Music does not change the world
The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

- In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

-We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

- In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

-I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

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The wage gap is nonsense that has been debunked many times. You are right that men and women are not totally equal, but that is largely because men and women are, on average, quite different. They don't choose to work the same jobs most of the time when given the choice. This is why jobs are more gender-segregated in countries like Norway compared to countries like India in which women are often required to take "men's jobs" in order to get ahead.

If anything, feminism can still be useful to advocate for certain social issues, but as far as large-scale policy change is concerned, feminism has run its course.

First, when I talk about legal equality I don't mean women and men are the same. I mean we all deserve equity, in the sense of aequitas. And when I talk about women being poorer than men I'm not only talking about wages. At that level there is not an overwhelming difference, although women usually have economic setbacks by the reasons exposed. The way the world functions is designed by the fortunes and power who allow people -a vast majority of them men- to design the structure (economical, legal, political) of societies. I don't want to discuss here about the reasons of the existence of those fortunes, but that is the way things are right now. It's a fact.
Most feminism as it is pictured in the media is just a distraction to make us believe there is equity by the mean of victimizing some men to appease women's wounds. It's like powerful people sacrificing a chess pawn: totally unfair, insufficient and counterproductive in the long term.
 
Dominika Cibulkova is a fine tennis player.

I think the thing about this current strange Handmaid’s Tale version of feminism is just how oddly Puritan it is. It seems to consist largely of rather posh, wealthy media women telling poorer, less educated women how to behave. F1 grid girls? NFL cheerleaders? “Get thee behind me Satan!” Rotherham child sex abuse? Ummm... Well that’s different...

It reminds me of the way Lady Marjorie would summon the Head House Parlour Maid for a telling off in Upstairs Downstairs. It’s all terribly prim and proper.

You can easily imagine Maddow or Maitlis covering up the table legs before their feminist group turns up to finish the eight foot high anatomically correct woollen vagina for Saturday’s march.

Yes! I have started calling them neo-puritans myself. Good points.

It's quite ironic that modern progressives seem to adopt some of the worst and most dull aspects of conservatism while modern conservatives have by and large adopted the best qualities of liberalism. Strange!
 
You have to love these guys who talk about how feminism was good when it was seeking rights, and not equality; as if they're mutually exclusive.

They would have been the same ones who complained about women voting, working, having to do dishes, and hold the baby, and so on.

Let's be real, Morrissey isn't served by feminism, so he dislikes it. It was just another outsider, counter culture adornment for him in his snow flake adolescent years, and now he has little use for it as an outsider badge.

Ever since he got called out for blaming a fourteen year old for his own molestation, he seems to have spiraled further down the rabbit hole.
 
I think sports presenters should mention if it’s the women’s competitions. If they don’t it’s easy to think you’ve slipped into a parallel universe.

Some years ago I awoke and turned on the radio beside the bed and lay sort of dozing in and out of sleep waiting for the alarm to go off when the sports report came on saying that “... tonight Arsenal take on Wolfsburg in the second leg of their semi final of the UEFA Champions League.”

I sat bolt upright. “f***. How long have I been asleep?”
That started here in Sweden where they are forbidden to say womens football. I notice that has spread everywhere and of course Man United are the latest club to have a womens side.
The club never wanted it but were forced to. The swedish football ladies are running agendas all the time and are never happy and always in the news complaining over this and that and the media applaud it.
 
First, when I talk about legal equality I don't mean women and men are the same. I mean we all deserve equity, in the sense of aequitas. And when I talk about women being poorer than men I'm not only talking about wages. At that level there is not an overwhelming difference, although women usually have economic setbacks by the reasons exposed. The way the world functions is designed by the fortunes and power who allow people -a vast majority of them men- to design the structure (economical, legal, political) of societies. I don't want to discuss here about the reasons of the existence of those fortunes, but that is the way things are right now. It's a fact.
Most feminism as it is pictured in the media is just a distraction to make us believe there is equity by the mean of victimizing some men to appease women's wounds. It's like powerful people sacrificing a chess pawn: totally unfair, insufficient and counterproductive in the long term.

You're not going to sell me on equity. Equity is never a means to achieving equality. Equity enforces a hack-and-forth dynamic of endless inequality, logically speaking.
 
Is that I was always more of a Venus fan than Serena :rolleyes:

No, they're just sick of sexual harassment, and having sex used as a bargaining chip in their careers.

As we have seen by the many cases that have come out, this harassment goes much deeper than I think even the most cynical people believed, and is exercised by people who we would never have suspected.

A lot has been hidden from public view. It's the same with child molestation. It's a lot more common than society let on, and social media has allowed those stories to be told where families would have hidden them in the past.

One thing's for sure, time is up and it's not going to be tolerated any more. You can kick and scream, and rant about feminists, and religion or any other kind of nonsense, but women will be the ultimate judge of what they find acceptable behavior from men.

If that scares you, then there's a park bench somewhere that you can mutter to yourself on. You're the past.

Go be Papa John. Speaking like an Internet troll has worked wonderfully for him.[/QUOTE]

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Do you know what, f*** capitalism. My internet is a nightmare tonight.
 
No matter how one interprets Trump, this is a fair enough point. Conservatism/classical liberalism/libertarianism, or otherwise the "big-tent" opposition to modern liberalism (also know as illiberal communism) that Trump managed to mainstream and mobilize, is much more attractive than what the other side has to offer. Whether you like that or not, if you're on the left, you have to do something about it, presumably, if you want to win elections again.


Personally, I have pretty much given up on the modern left. But if leaders would step up and salvage liberalism from the clutches of communism, you would have plenty of people to win back—potentially myself included.

Please enlighten me on what part of Obomber’s 8 years of tyranny(ruling by execute fiat, paving the way for trump) continued wars for oil, massive hand outs for Wall Street, then insurance companies & big pharma, a reworking of apital gains laws that helped reduce taxes for institutional investors* absolutely nothing of constructive value done on the mass murder of PoC by the police, millions deported, the TPP and on and on and on o_O

but that shit was communist? Maybe in a Stalin like sense, but that’s bout it dude :rolleyes:



*=people with half million or more to invest
 
Yes! I have started calling them neo-puritans myself. Good points.

It's quite ironic that modern progressives seem to adopt some of the worst and most dull aspects of conservatism while modern conservatives have by and large adopted the best qualities of liberalism. Strange!
Being opposed to rape, and sexual harassment is not one of conservatism's better aspects, but it's nice that the "left" has the stereotype of being against those things. Someone has to.

If being anti-rape is too puritanical for you, well, let's just hope you don't ever have a baby girl.

Some of you have some skeletons in your closet.

Thou doth protest too much.
 
The wage gap is not nonsense, but it’s not true across all industries, but it is very real in many. Part of it though is that well, women are just better people from certain moral standpoints in general like being loyal to an employer and expecting to be rewarded “in the long run”
Men have a far higher tendency to change jobs if they don’t get the wage they want, while employers manipulate women often, not as much of course. More and more women are just not taking shit anymore and that will be what makes equal pay really happen across the board...

Of course it is very real, but the big problem is not about wages. It's higher.
 
No matter how one interprets Trump, this is a fair enough point. Conservatism/classical liberalism/libertarianism, or otherwise the "big-tent" opposition to modern liberalism (also know as illiberal communism) that Trump managed to mainstream and mobilize, is much more attractive than what the other side has to offer. Whether you like that or not, if you're on the left, you have to do something about it, presumably, if you want to win elections again.

Is that what Trump did, though? I think what he mainstreamed and mobilized was fear, bigotry, and the crassest form of jingoism. He is clearly some kind of twisted genius, but none that we'd want as a leader. I agree that the hysteria on the left only emboldens and empowers him, but it only goes to show how this is all going to end in disaster no matter what. The only good thing about Trump is that he may be a Kalki of sorts: destroyer of all things.
 
He just throws out a few words there and gets the attention of a whole world. His words and views have always been more famous than his music.
 
Please enlighten me on what part of Obomber’s 8 years of tyranny(ruling by execute fiat, paving the way for trump) continued wars for oil, massive hand outs for Wall Street, then insurance companies & big pharma, a reworking of apital gains laws that helped reduce taxes for institutional investors* absolutely nothing of constructive value done on the mass murder of PoC by the police, millions deported, the TPP and on and on and on o_O

but that shit was communist? Maybe in a Stalin like sense, but that’s bout it dude :rolleyes:



*=people with half million or more to invest
My residing memory of Obama is of him publicly defending a bully who'd just assaulted a shop owner by saying 'that could have been my son.'

The bully got cocky with the police and they put holes in him.

Wish our British bobbies could do that.
 
Please enlighten me on what part of Obomber’s 8 years of tyranny(ruling by execute fiat, paving the way for trump) continued wars for oil, massive hand outs for Wall Street, then insurance companies & big pharma, a reworking of apital gains laws that helped reduce taxes for institutional investors* absolutely nothing of constructive value done on the mass murder of PoC by the police, millions deported, the TPP and on and on and on o_O

but that shit was communist? Maybe in a Stalin like sense, but that’s bout it dude :rolleyes:



*=people with half million or more to invest

This.

But I wasn't referring to Obama. That's a totally separate issue.

In reality, I'm less concerned about communism-proper (after all, it only exists in some people's imaginations) than I would be about communism being used as a vehicle for corrupt and evil groups and people to become, essentially, all-powerful, as inevitably would happen, as demonstrated in 1984.
 
That started here in Sweden where they are forbidden to say womens football. I notice that has spread everywhere and of course Man United are the latest club to have a womens side.
The club never wanted it but were forced to. The swedish football ladies are running agendas all the time and are never happy and always in the news complaining over this and that and the media applaud it.

I’m not decrying women’s football as such, but the media coverage is ludicrous. A case in point from just the other day. Barcelona “condemned” for flying men’s team business class and the women’s team in economy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ens-business-us-tour-pre-season-a8466186.html

One of those two teams averages 65,000 a match and one doesn’t. It’s like arguing Microsoft should pay the post boy the same as Bill Gates.

Right, night night all. I’m off to strangle my router. Not a euphemism.
 
Being opposed to rape, and sexual harassment is not one of conservatism's better aspects, but it's nice that the "left" has the stereotype of being against those things. Someone has to.

If being anti-rape is too puritanical for you, well, let's just hope you don't ever have a baby girl.

Some of you have some skeletons in your closet.

Thou doth protest too much.

Thanks for another shining example of batshit craziness. I'm not going to bother responding if the only thing you have is strawman arguments that attempt to paint anyone who disagrees with you as pro-rape. How twisted can you get?

If you aren't that anon named Untruth, you sure sound like her. Peace!
 
My residing memory of Obama is of him publicly defending a bully who'd just assaulted a shop owner by saying 'that could have been my son.'

The bully got cocky with the police and they put holes in him.

Wish our British bobbies could do that.
Then American cities were on fire.

Voting somebody in solely because of their melanin.

What a stupid country.
 

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