Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

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Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

"It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

- In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

- It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

- Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

-I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

Music does not change the world
The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

- In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

-We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

- In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

-I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

Article link:
http://culto.latercera.com/2018/07/...sociedades-al-masculinismo-tomar-represalias/

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Anyone from Chile in the know?
Regards,
FWD.

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I just don't see any benefit of continuing to frame women's well-being, or anyone's well-being, within identity politics and equity. If we continue to do so, we will deal with perpetual inequality and division.
You're practicing identity politics.

All politics is identity politics. It's how change is made.

Just because you don't see the point doesn't mean that others don't. Again, you can't stop it, so no use in crying about it.

You're basically arguing that identity politics is good for conservatives, but not minorities.

The day identity politics dies is the day conservatives stop practicing it, and making their racial, religious, and ethnic identity the main reason they vote.
 
His anti lesbo stance is the norm among gay men and I noticed this myself when dealing with a few and it was heavily debated in Sweden in the 90's and into the new millennium. Lesbian women get told all the time it is just a phase and that they should find a new man and put a dress and make up on.
I think Sweden were first when it comes to women working with typically masculine jobs and it has always been seen as a good thing here. We have so many women in the police force and no one is surprised when the mechanic is a woman.
I've always had a soft spot for tomboys and they always make my inner lesbo happy.
 
Sometimes things are classic cuz they’re true :cool:

Or perhaps not.

So now that I've been called a misogynist here, how many ists and isms do we have left to go through in this thread? I've lost track. It's always the same silliness in every conversation with alt-left-types. Doesn't it get a little bit boring for you guys? To spice it up, do you guys have, like, a wheel of fortune that you spin to decide which ist or ism to use on a particular occasion and then just keep spinning for each subsequent point? Either way, it's awfully formulaic.
 
Or perhaps not.

So now that I've been called a misogynist here, how many ists and isms do we have left to go through in this thread? I've lost track. It's always the same silliness in every conversation with alt-left-types. Doesn't it get a little bit boring for you guys? To spice it up, do you guys have, like, a wheel of fortune that you spin to decide which ist or ism to use on a particular occasion and then just keep spinning for each subsequent point? Either way, it's awfully formulaic.
Accuracy in analysis, and description never gets old. It is a rather mundane task, but someone has to do it.

You have issues, and your misogyny is already dated.

Women will continue to call out men who abuse them. They would have done it sooner had they had the platform. Stop making excuses for abuse, and pretending these women are trying to destroy men.

Even the suggestion that most of these women are part of some collective feminist conspiracy to destroy men shows the depth of alt-right looniness. No sense of nuance.

You're not well people.
 
I assume you reproduce asexually like some kind of tiny floating thing in a stagnant pond. Out of necessity rather than choice. As far as your gender goes, I prefer to think of you built like a Ken or Barbie. Just a smooth expanse where the fun parts should be.

:rolleyes:
WtF does that all mean? "Just a smooth expanse where the FUN PARTS SHOULD BE?"
Simon, wake up this is SoLow not the Blue Rose get a grip.:straightface:

69 genders reproduce asexually since they
dont exist they are made up by lefty loon walking around aimlessly holding a balloon.:balloon:
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Identity politics were invented to eradicate solidarity.

And guess what, it works.
Yep, the Civil Rights movement turned conservatism into a white Christian money cult, and destroyed solidarity with the broader public.

Those demographic changes, though, are going to be brutal.
 
Why do you think he is erasing himself? And how does that happen? I mean, it's an interesting discussion.
Ask his European fans.

The fewer people willing to stand up for your legacy means an ever dwindling one.

To even believe that his legacy will survive any of this is the height of delusion.

Unless Morrissey suddenly develops a prominent alt right fan-base (not a chance), then his legacy will be curated by the fans he has driven away.

He's already pushed the music out of the picture.
 
He made me remember the old debate here in Sweden when girl gangs in the ghettos became a problem because they sometimes left the ghetto and headed into the city centre and were famous to be even more violent than the men.
Been a while since I heard anything about that though.
 
This is correct. As I've said countless times, he'll tour where folk haven't heard of Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters etc. He called the Chinese a sub-species but was fine and dandy with going to Hong Kong to take their concert money. He is a money-grabbing hypocrite and racist. And that is the stone-cold truth, whether anyone here likes it or not.
The days when no one knew about this and that person or news event and so on is long gone and nowhere in the world are they more updated than in the far east. The problem is that we know too much for our own good.

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Or perhaps not.

So now that I've been called a misogynist here, how many ists and isms do we have left to go through in this thread? I've lost track. It's always the same silliness in every conversation with alt-left-types. Doesn't it get a little bit boring for you guys? To spice it up, do you guys have, like, a wheel of fortune that you spin to decide which ist or ism to use on a particular occasion and then just keep spinning for each subsequent point? Either way, it's awfully formulaic.
Personally I’ve not called you a misogynist Derek cuz well I just think you’re a dick, no matter the subject, when glance through one of your annoying posts, none of the ists come to mind, what I think of most is:
“What a dick” so yeah, in that sense it’s not about politics, though you get in a room full of male Trumpers and I guarantee it’s one with lots of incels and 99% total dicks :straightface:
 
Personally I’ve not called you a misogynist Derek cuz well I just think you’re a dick, no matter the subject, when glance through one of your annoying posts, none of the ists come to mind, what I think of most is:
“What a dick” so yeah, in that sense it’s not about politics, though you get in a room full of male Trumpers and I guarantee it’s one with lots of incels and 99% total dicks :straightface:
Countthree called me a misogynist despite the fact I came out of a vag. If it had been a revolving door I would have gone straight back in again.

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provider of useless entertainment and statements at solo since the fall of 1998.
 
Personally I’ve not called you a misogynist Derek cuz well I just think you’re a dick, no matter the subject, when glance through one of your annoying posts, none of the ists come to mind, what I think of most is:
“What a dick” so yeah, in that sense it’s not about politics, though you get in a room full of male Trumpers and I guarantee it’s one with lots of incels and 99% total dicks :straightface:

Yeah total dicks who probably scoff at the 99 genders on the wall. LOL
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DH1 : they are such losers they laugh at your adams apple
DH2: Monsters.:rolleyes:
 
Also, you don't seem to grasp the difference between gender and sex. You think they're the same. Their difference is a scientific fact, and this is only controversial to small minds.

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The wage gap is not nonsense, but it’s not true across all industries, but it is very real in many. Part of it though is that well, women are just better people from certain moral standpoints in general like being loyal to an employer and expecting to be rewarded “in the long run”
Men have a far higher tendency to change jobs if they don’t get the wage they want, while employers manipulate women often, not as much of course. More and more women are just not taking shit anymore and that will be what makes equal pay really happen across the board...

I think the main place the gender pay gap seems to be at its very worst is that moralistic alter, Hollywood. I'm sure with your experience there you could probably attest to that. Otherwise I agree with your assessment of the differences between women and men. Men are less agreeable than women and will negotiate harder during pay reviews, women will tend to be more loyal and stay somewhere for lesser money. Women feel far more inclined to taken a break in their careers to stay at home and be mums etc, etc. The difference in pay is down to a vast array of choices more than simply saying that men and women get paid differently for the same job.
 
I love his answer when it comes to ageing and I share his feelings. There is a time when people stop bothering what age they are which explains all these bands going out on reunion tours.
It's like people who never wash and smell like hell but the nose is the first thing on them to stop noticing it as they brain has this ability to close down things it doesn't need.
Having said he will probably top himself on his 60th birthday.
 
I think the main place the gender pay gap seems to be at its very worst is that moralistic alter, Hollywood. I'm sure with your experience there you could probably attest to that. Otherwise I agree with your assessment of the differences between women and men. Men are less agreeable than women and will negotiate harder during pay reviews, women will tend to be more loyal and stay somewhere for lesser money. Women feel far more inclined to taken a break in their careers to stay at home and be mums etc, etc. The difference in pay is down to a vast array of choices more than simply saying that men and women get paid differently for the same job.
I can only speak for Sweden but the reason we have a pay gap here is because they decided that men should earn more in case they had children with a woman but then perhaps had to separate from her or she leaving him making him have to pay child support.
This is the explanation they gave in a documentary about the difference in salaries between men and women in Sweden and it is still the reason why.
 
Except from the fact Moz made those statements because of my old posts here at Solo he also listened to this:



I love this women, I often go down 'Camille rabbit holes' where I spend hours watching her interviews on YT.
 
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