'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian

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'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian
The former Smiths singer’s new album features guest spots from Billie Joe Armstrong and Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste. Are they not put off by his increasingly unpleasant right-wing stance?

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As US music magazine the Fader asked: “What possible reason could any of these people have for lining up behind Morrissey now?”

Droste declined to comment. The only artist willing to speak with the Guardian was Canadian vocalist Ariel Engle, who performs with cult indie outfit Broken Social Scene. She received a call from the American producer Joe Chiccarelli asking her to contribute backing vocals for a cover of Joni Mitchell’s Don’t Interrupt the Sorrow. “I thought, ‘Oh the Smiths, sure’,” she says. “It was $500 for two hours’ work.”

Engle says she didn’t become aware of Morrissey’s political views until the album was announced and a friend emailed to question her involvement. “It’s a very weak argument to claim ignorance,” she says, “but it is my argument. It’s not an excuse but it happens to be the truth.”

Morrissey’s manager, Peter Katsis, says he is unaware of statements made by any guest vocalists, but that the intention of the covers album was supposed to be fun. “This is where his head is at,” he says. “Maybe enough has been said with the last few albums being political.” Of Morrissey’s political views, Katsis says: “I manage his artistic career and sometimes I have to deal with things he says, but it’s not for me to comment.”

Chiccarelli echoes Katsis’s sentiment. “I can’t speak to Moz’s politics,” he says. “I’m a record-maker. I’ve known him 10 years and he’s been a gentleman and a pleasure. I consider him a friend.” When asked about the far-right figures for whom Morrissey has expressed support, Chiccarelli says: “I’d really have to research it and see if it crossed a particular line for me.”

Engle says that learning of Morrissey’s political opinions has left a “bad taste”, and that she stands in opposition to his views. “The inflammatory things he says are not my politics. I think he’s completely out of line. I grew up around multiculturalism and I am the product of multiculturalism and immigration. I feel like I’ve been had, but it’s my fault.”

The American singer LP offered a statement through a PR representative: “As I’m a huge fan of his music and poetry, I was honoured to be asked to collaborate on the album.” Representatives for Lydia Night of California band the Regrettes offered no comment, but the 18-year-old told punk magazine Kerrang!: “I’ve grown up loving the Smiths – my cat’s name is Morrissey!” Representatives for Armstrong said he was in the studio and therefore unreachable.

The guest stars on California Son are all North American, suggesting a difference between perceptions of the former Smiths frontman in the US and UK. Katsis, who is American, sees the critical focus on Morrissey’s politics as a British preoccupation.

“I don’t think they know enough about it to care about it,” he says of Morrissey’s US fans. “I don’t feel knowledgable enough to comment on British politics, therefore it’s probably not as important to me or the international fans as it is to UK fans. This whole thing has had me perplexed. The subjects are very complicated and dividing.”

The figures bear out Morrissey’s enduring support across the Atlantic. He ended 2018 with arena shows in North and South America, and has announced his first Canadian tour in 20 years for this April. In November 2017, Los Angeles City Council declared 10 November “Morrissey Day”.

“In America, he tends to be seen as the rock star who sang about queer life and spoke openly about feminism when nobody else did,” says Rolling Stone critic Rob Sheffield. “These two images define him, and he’s still seen in terms of his pioneering place in history. His grumpy old age is not really held against him. Americans tend not to follow UK politics very closely, so when he makes mind-blowingly offensive statements there might be outrage or humiliation for a few days, or hours, but then it’s back to listening to The Queen Is Dead”.




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The more I ignore it, the farer it gets :)

Only us, who who were there from the beginning can really understand what is going on in his mind. The World Won´t Change and that really pisses him of, I guess. I am german, and I can laugh about those "horrible" things he has said in the media. The Press just don´t get it! So I´m looking forward to the next record, the next concert..........until he´s gone someday. My loyalty (isn´t) stretched..........Cheers, Alex

I‘m German as well and I agree to you. The press just don’t get it...
...and obviously some haters don’t get it too.
 
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He stated numerous times that he is racist and "doesn't want to hurt them or anything." That is not a standard for "isn't racist."
It's nice to stick up for your friend but don't directly contradict everything he said repeatedly.
He says all kinds of ridiculous shit when he's pissed, just for a reaction. A couple of weeks ago he wanted to get married and have a baby (he is a very much out gay man). When he sobered up he was mortified. And strangely, I find I don't need your permission to post whatever I like about my friend. The only reason I repeated it was because KS was doing her sad best to troll me about it.
 
This may force Morrissey to finally distance himself from far-right politics, the worst examples to date being his support for Anne Walters (and her party) and Johnny Robinson. If it does, it's a good thing.
If you've got any sense, Steve, do this right away.

Bit of an inane comment, buddy
This may force Morrissey to ...whatever..
Nothing forces Morrissey to do anything - that's one of his defining features.
One of the few people left with a punk spirit - never giving in, never giving in

He is entitled to his opinions
You are entitled to your opinions.

Your attitude though, is ironically more fascist / right wing than anything else
- forcing your will on others to adopt your political viewpoint, rather than simply expressing it.

Look at your comment - you appear to know f*ck all about those you are criticising
It's Anne Marie Waters - not Anne Waters
It's Tommy Robinson - not Johnny

btw only one minor collaborator "responded" to his "politics"
- politics which is largely a media creation - a montage of comments taken entirely out of context
"Morrissey supports rape" etc
The Guardian had to exaggerate and pluralise it to make it appear it was the entire gang of them.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel for clickbait

People like you and the Guardian make me respect Morrissey even more, purely for sticking to his guns.
 
He says all kinds of ridiculous shit when he's pissed, just for a reaction. A couple of weeks ago he wanted to get married and have a baby (he is a very much out gay man). When he sobered up he was mortified. And strangely, I find I don't need your permission to post whatever I like about my friend. The only reason I repeated it was because KS was doing her sad best to troll me about it.
I think from your description he might be Morrissey.
I think the part about "permission" is ironic though because you post fifteen times in every thread and try to control the narrative. No one's stopping you from posting exactly opposite the evidence. Just saying that pretending not to get the point seemed disingenuous.
 
bit of bad news and the usual suspects are back.
It's all about the money. Watch Morrissey do a reverse ferret when he realises his career is irreversibly f***ed and he can't make money anymore. What will you say then?
nurse,,straight jacket,now.
 
bit of bad news and the usual suspects are back.

nurse,,straight jacket,now.

Listen son, i was heavily involved in the Morrissey scene for 30 years, travelled to gigs across continents, and have had encounters with Morrissey you can only dream of. It’s painful to me that he has shown himself to be a racist prick but the opinions of nobody’s like you don’t matter a f***.

Yeah stick to convincing yourself that he is hard done to, but don’t ever think you’re anything but a think gullible idiot.

And f*** Celtic too.
 
Ridiculous loony-left crap. These people talking about 'his politics' like there's no room in the world for different opinions and dissenting ideas is so f***ed up. Do you have to be a dirty godless communist pig to be an artist nowadays? Will you all start hating on the Ramones now because of Johnny and Dee Dee's 'politics'? I'll take the Ramones and Morrissey over Roger Waters and his retarded politics, calling out on every artist who decides to dare to play in Israel and all that BS.
 
It’s not like the man is on trial for molesting children.
Funny you say that cos I watched the video for The More You Ignore Me last night (because it's one of my fav Moz videos) and was thinking the way he grabs Boz's daughter's tshirt is a bit extreme. That coupled with the song title and lyrics would be enough to have Moz electrocuted these days.
 
It's all about the money. Watch Morrissey do a reverse ferret when he realises his career is irreversibly f***ed and he can't make money anymore. What will you say then?

:crazy:

WTF?? a REVERSE FERRET????:rolleyes:


Meanwhile Moz will have be satisfied with many top 5 albums/singles and sold out tours.:lbf:

TOP LEFTIE LOONS just in the last few posts on this thread:

Skinny
Surface aka Namedropping sock puppet aka Skinny himself
MiniMao-quite the rap sheet the Mini has :lbf: YIKES!
Twat Haslaam
Guardian

isnt it time for the :pignose::turban::pignose: to make a post or two?:tiphat:
 
It feels to me that, if I were a racist, (which I can categorically say, I'm not) I'd probably stand a better chance than a paedophile (nope, not one of them either!) in this day and age.

I don't agree with some of the views Morrissey has been aligned to in the media. I don't respect some of the people he's mentioned in interviews and in posts on Morrissey Central.

Surely the solution to someone with xenophobic and racist views is through education, through sharing experiences, through understanding of what people of other origins go through, are and how they live their lives. I used to work in a culturally-rich office in central Birmingham and that was a delight for me. I think giving someone work experience there for a couple of weeks would be real eye opener.

The attitude of left-leaning media outlets and the 'Twitterati' is to condemn, condemn, condemn. Surely people should be more moderate, seek rationale for why people have certain views - is it inherited? Is it based on life experience? Is it based on pure ignorance? And do something to help move people on. It's not a case of just slagging someone off 'til everyone joins in the party and people are extreme in their left-wing views - for their own social paranoia of being aligned to those views...

And I what I hate the most is these pricks who try and say the likes of 'I'M BURNING MY COPY OF THE QUEEN IS DEAD COS IT WAS MY ALBUM AND I'M SO HELPFULLY BETRAYED'.

I fully expect Skinny to reply and say I'm a c*** :)
 
Ridiculous loony-left crap. These people talking about 'his politics' like there's no room in the world for different opinions and dissenting ideas is so f***ed up. Do you have to be a dirty godless communist pig to be an artist nowadays? Will you all start hating on the Ramones now because of Johnny and Dee Dee's 'politics'? I'll take the Ramones and Morrissey over Roger Waters and his retarded politics, calling out on every artist who decides to dare to play in Israel and all that BS.


o_O

that twat roger waters should concentrate on getting some singing lessons before he keels over FFS:rock:
hes got :frogface: that Mr Cometry vibe going.:rage:
 
It feels to me that, if I were a racist, (which I can categorically say, I'm not) I'd probably stand a better chance than a paedophile (nope, not one of them either!) in this day and age.

I don't agree with some of the views Morrissey has been aligned to in the media. I don't respect some of the people he's mentioned in interviews and in posts on Morrissey Central.

Surely the solution to someone with xenophobic and racist views is through education, through sharing experiences, through understanding of what people of other origins go through, are and how they live their lives. I used to work in a culturally-rich office in central Birmingham and that was a delight for me. I think giving someone work experience there for a couple of weeks would be real eye opener.

The attitude of left-leaning media outlets and the 'Twitterati' is to condemn, condemn, condemn. Surely people should be more moderate, seek rationale for why people have certain views - is it inherited? Is it based on life experience? Is it based on pure ignorance? And do something to help move people on. It's not a case of just slagging someone off 'til everyone joins in the party and people are extreme in their left-wing views - for their own social paranoia of being aligned to those views...

And I what I hate the most is these pricks who try and say the likes of 'I'M BURNING MY COPY OF THE QUEEN IS DEAD COS IT WAS MY ALBUM AND I'M SO HELPFULLY BETRAYED'.

I fully expect Skinny to reply and say I'm a c*** :)


Ha! Course not, that was a well-thought out and reasoned piece. I do fall into the category of someone who doesn't have any Smiths and Moz stuff anymore, but I can't blame it on his Nazi-aggrandisement, I gave them all away before that happened.
 
Listen son, i was heavily involved in the Morrissey scene for 30 years, travelled to gigs across continents, and have had encounters with Morrissey you can only dream of. It’s painful to me that he has shown himself to be a racist prick but the opinions of nobody’s like you don’t matter a f***.

Loser. Lol. Maybe if you weren’t such an obsessive elitist twat that built your life around a celebrity, it wouldn’t matter to you so much.
 
I agree that racism shouldn't be shamed but educated. Especially because prejudice is instinctive. If one of our far ancestors got mauls by a bear, the rest of their group would assume that all bears are bad to avoid another disaster. Unless we're blind or something, we all see the differences between races and make snap judgements based on race. What separates the racist from all others is the fact that most people have a corrective thought while racist people don't.
Now a days I think racism is to fine a line to cross. A person who prejudiced negatively towards a group but willing to give a member of that group a chance as an individual isn't racist... And if they are, they're not much of a threat to society. The point of racism is that these people don't make exceptions.

Also, prejudice against Muslims is not racism. I read the psychology today article and I think it's garbage because it's stretching the meaning of the word. If you want to use the "islamophobic" word, make my day. I think we should attack Muslim values, not Muslim people- unless they're violent Jihadists. That's all.
 
Ha! Course not, that was a well-thought out and reasoned piece. I do fall into the category of someone who doesn't have any Smiths and Moz stuff anymore, but I can't blame it on his Nazi-aggrandisement, I gave them all away before that happened.
:rolleyes:

Reason!!?? WTF??? maybe MiniMao reason.
Im still dumbfounded at the latest MiniM revelations. the Dude would put his ear to the neighbors wall and call the police on the neighbor despite what the wife said all the WHILE hes been bullying underage girls. Following defenseless female Moz fans from the shows, scaring the bejuzzus out of them.:censored:
He wants his great grandmothers estate in Wessex back. LOL

I notice you and your alter egos, NDSP and the Halal Buthcer have been loony left silent on the matter.:swear


Its almost unreal, the dude was spying on his neighbors for UPC behavior while all the while hes going wild.doh:
 

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