Don't Give Me Anymore: Covid's Long Shadow

[goinghome]

I'd be perfectly okay with it. Turn out the lights, the world doesn't need me. The world doesn't even need humanity at all. The amount of suffering we collectively cause cries out to the Creator for our annihilation. But if we must have a human race, and some semblance of civilization and decency, then we should vastly reduce our numbers and select for people who are intelligent, well-behaved, inclined to moral goodness, and aesthetically pleasing. We are a species that has conquered nature, so the harsh selective pressures nature used to put on us to refine us for the better are gone. Those painters at Lascaux and Altamira were the cream of the crop.

How the situation looks to a frontline medical professional


Dunno if anyone has time to take a look at these, which puts those issues in another thoughtful perspective

Paul Kingsnorth

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Nothing is infallibly safe. My point was that a lab has greater safety protocols than a live-slaughter wet market. Is that in dispute?

Certainly in dispute imo, due to urban locations, supernatural hazards, recorded leak instances, political elements, hubris...

I know covid is in the thread title, and I don't know where else to ask this, but should I be worried about mpox? Is it short for Moz pox? I don't want to catch it by viewing the posts on here. It's got me worried BIG time.

Do you know that above the page you're reading is a browser search line, where you can enter your queries?

To counter mpox, vaccine maker could ramp up by another 8 million doses next year

Bavarian Nordic CEO Paul Chaplin told STAT that 2 million doses of Jynneos vaccine could be produced this year, and another 8 million in 2025, to protect against mpox.

www.statnews.com

 

[Roman Holiday]

israel comes in at 92 but ashkenazi jews are actually said to have the highest average iq at 110.

That makes sense, though. The smart Jews wouldn't be Zionists.

how much stock do you place in iq tests, auds? (discounting your score of course, that's obviously not accurate)

After today's encounter with one, I don't know quite what to make of them. I realize they're not measuring accumulated knowledge, but it seemed to be measuring esoteric pattern recognition. I guess I'll defer to the experts.

 

[Roman Holiday]

Certainly in dispute imo, due to urban locations, supernatural hazards, recorded leak instances, political elements, hubris...

Just so I'm clear what you're disputing: are you saying that bioengineered viruses leaking from laboratories are statistically more common than viruses with zoonotic transmission?

What is a "supernatural hazard"?

 

[nicky wire's legs]

That makes sense, though. The smart Jews wouldn't be Zionists.



After today's encounter with one, I don't know quite what to make of them. I realize they're not measuring accumulated knowledge, but it seemed to be measuring esoteric pattern recognition. I guess I'll defer to the experts.

I'm probably the smartest person on this board then!

(But I already knew that!)

Im sure plenty of Ashkenazi jews are zionists. Noa tishby's an Ashkenazi jew!

 

[Roman Holiday]

Im sure plenty of Ashkenazi jews are zionists. Noa tishby's an Ashkenazi jew!

Right, but not a smart one. She proves my point.

 

[goinghome]

For Orange Crush:
There was already an mpox outbreak in 2022 - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/health/mpox-vaccines-gay-bisexual.html

Just so I'm clear what you're disputing: are you saying that bioengineered viruses leaking from laboratories are statistically more common than viruses with zoonotic transmission?

What is a "supernatural hazard"?

By supernatural in this instance, I mean more intensive and distilled than found in nature. I understand the purpose of biolabs is to be able to concentrate resources on uncovering the secrets and harnessing the power of germs, which is where the gain of function idea comes from, a practice I believe Fauci and peers have admitted to authorising, when challenged in Senate and other interrogations.

If the queue for neutralising folk was ever enforced, I would put originals like you at the back, Lucy with your intrepid perceptiveness, to give us any chance of correcting things! I do think you're over-judgemental about people like RFK Jr because expecting total pure sinlessness will get us nowhere. Not all animals are herbivores, and humans are animals too. It's more the amount of meat people eat, and the way animals are mistreated, land degraded, and pollution (carbon and other) vastly increased, to enable this, that are the crimes. Vandana Shiva is great on grasping and conveying natural balance.

Like RFK Jr, Nassim Taleb fought Monsanto's GMO lobby. His writing on risk is really illuminating but sometimes I wonder. For about a year he was very prominent on a website warning people about the danger of Covid, after he said he picked up a bad dose of it. But also during that time, he made a short video about the proper usage and dosage of the eventually banned conventional medicine hydroxychloroquine. Even more damning is the revelation that the hedge fund he advises, Universa, made over 3,000 % profit since 2019.

He made this video a few days ago, which doesn't add much - https://nassimtaleb.org/2024/08/scott-patterson-chaos-kings-part-4/

It's hard to know what to make of it all

 

[Roman Holiday]

By supernatural in this instance, I mean more intensive and distilled than found in nature.

Okay, phew. I thought you might've been hinting at demonic activity or something.

I understand the purpose of biolabs is to be able to concentrate resources on uncovering the secrets and harnessing the power of germs, which is where the gain of function idea comes from, a practice I believe Fauci and peers have admitted to authorising, when challenged in Senate and other interrogations.

Yes, the purpose of a virology lab is to research viruses, and for the sake of this discussion we can suppose it's being used to develop viruses into bioweapons. But then we have to consider the level of safety and sanitation of such a lab, because we're placing odds on whether a virology lab is more likely to leak viruses than live-slaughter wet markets are to spread them.

We might agree that researchers in a virology lab have a keener appreciation of how viruses are spread than butchers in wet markets who slaughter live animals for a living. So the virology lab will have greater safety procedures. The people in the lab are also the people most likely to contract the virus, so for their own sake it benefits them to have a high level of safety, particularly if they're working on a bioweapon. What good would it do them to be working with a virus of "supernatural intensity" and yet have the same level of transmission safeguards as an open-air wet market?

If the queue for neutralising folk was ever enforced, I would put originals like you at the back, Lucy with your intrepid perceptiveness, to give us any chance of correcting things! I do think you're over-judgemental about people like RFK Jr because expecting total pure sinlessness will get us nowhere. Not all animals are herbivores, and humans are animals too. It's more the amount of meat people eat, and the way animals are mistreated, land degraded, and pollution (carbon and other) vastly increased, to enable this, that are the crimes. Vandana Shiva is great on grasping and conveying natural balance.

I think there are two separate arguments here. I don't expect RFK Jr. to be sinless. I do, however, since he claims to care about the environment, expect him to know that the animal agriculture industry is a leading cause of CO2 emissions, pollution, and water waste. Unapologetically eating meat, he's just like the John Kerrys flying in to climate change conferences on their private jets. These people lose all credibility when they can't even do the basic math.

Humans are indeed omnivores. For most of our history we were hunter-gatherers. If someone wants to hunt and forage for their food, there is no ethical problem there, because the animal suffering they cause ≤ the animal suffering caused by a vegan who consumes plants grown in fields where many critters were killed in the plowing.

Unfortunately, most of the 8 billion people on this planet cannot be self-sufficient as hunter-gatherers. The amount of meat and dairy that people would have to be satisfied with if you wanted to raise animals w/out cruelty, land degradation or pollution would be so little that there would be rioting in the streets if you tried to ration it. Here's something I'll put odds on that I'm way more confident of than the wet market theory of COVID-19. I predict that humans will not reduce their meat and dairy intake to a sufficient level for eliminating factory farms.

 

[Vesper Nocturne]

Okay, phew. I thought you might've been hinting at demonic activity or something.



Yes, the purpose of a virology lab is to research viruses, and for the sake of this discussion we can suppose it's being used to develop viruses into bioweapons. But then we have to consider the level of safety and sanitation of such a lab, because we're placing odds on whether a virology lab is more likely to leak viruses than live-slaughter wet markets are to spread them.

We might agree that researchers in a virology lab have a keener appreciation of how viruses are spread than butchers in wet markets who slaughter live animals for a living. So the virology lab will have greater safety procedures. The people in the lab are also the people most likely to contract the virus, so for their own sake it benefits them to have a high level of safety, particularly if they're working on a bioweapon. What good would it do them to be working with a virus of "supernatural intensity" and yet have the same level of transmission safeguards as an open-air wet market?



I think there are two separate arguments here. I don't expect RFK Jr. to be sinless. I do, however, since he claims to care about the environment, expect him to know that the animal agriculture industry is a leading cause of CO2 emissions, pollution, and water waste. Unapologetically eating meat, he's just like the John Kerrys flying in to climate change conferences on their private jets. These people lose all credibility when they can't even do the basic math.

Humans are indeed omnivores. For most of our history we were hunter-gatherers. If someone wants to hunt and forage for their food, there is no ethical problem there, because the animal suffering they cause ≤ the animal suffering caused by a vegan who consumes plants grown in fields where many critters were killed in the plowing.

Unfortunately, most of the 8 billion people on this planet cannot be self-sufficient as hunter-gatherers. The amount of meat and dairy that people would have to be satisfied with if you wanted to raise animals w/out cruelty, land degradation or pollution would be so little that there would be rioting in the streets if you tried to ration it. Here's something I'll put odds on that I'm way more confident of than the wet market theory of COVID-19. I predict that humans will not reduce their meat and dairy intake to a sufficient level for eliminating factory farms.

My expectation wouldn’t be that anything escapes a virology lab or any kind of research facility “accidentally”. These are international “collaborations”, but each side is very invested in their own goals and in their own gains. And then at the next level below that of the international collaboration at the institutional level, there are scientists who are individually motivated for personal gains, which inevitably would always be at odds with the more united front of the “team” effort.

Research labs when we’re talking about labs that do work at government and international levels have a revolving door of scientist-cum-double agents, and depending on whose exact payroll any given person who has been bought is actually on, will be the determinant of whether biohazards of innumerable types are stolen for some other nation’s scientific or commercial gains, or leaked, or disseminated on opposing geopolitical territories, or used for other kinds of harm, or, or, or, or.

The other side of harm, for someone on the other side - is guaranteed to be a perceived gain of some sort - that someone actively sought out.

 

[Roman Holiday]

My expectation wouldn’t be that anything escapes a virology lab or any kind of research facility “accidentally”. These are international “collaborations”, but each side is very invested in their own goals and in their own gains. And then at the next level below that of the international collaboration at the institutional level, there are scientists who are individually motivated for personal gains, which inevitably would always be at odds with the more united front of the “team” effort.

Research labs when we’re talking about labs that do work at government and international levels have a revolving door of scientist-cum-double agents, and depending on whose exact payroll any given person who has been bought is actually on, will be the determinant of whether biohazards of innumerable types are stolen for some other nation’s scientific or commercial gains, or leaked, or disseminated on opposing geopolitical territories, or used for other kinds of harm, or, or, or, or.

The other side of harm, for someone on the other side - is guaranteed to be a perceived gain of some sort - that someone actively sought out.

In the case of COVID-19, what would've been the perceived gain of releasing it intentionally? If it required international collaboration, then presumably governments would have factored in the potential political and economic fallout beforehand. The level of trust now accorded to public health institutions like the CCD and WHO is very low; the level of confidence in governments' response to the crisis is also low due to their many public errors. Would profits for vaccine manufacturers be worth it all?

 

[Light Housework]

I think that you are advised to cut up the old passport into very small pieces.

As you are advised to take the so called “covid vaccinations” when you have an immune system to deal with viruses. It would be criminal to cut up Morrissey’s passports in my books.

 

[Johnnie Ray]

As you are advised to take the so called “covid vaccinations” when you have an immune system to deal with viruses. It would be criminal to cut up Morrissey’s passports in my books.

Did you ever go to school? If so, you were vaccinated, you fool, so you didn't get others sick. Where do these people come from??

 

[SeniorLife]

As you are advised to take the so called “covid vaccinations” when you have an immune system to deal with viruses. It would be criminal to cut up Morrissey’s passports in my books.

With all due respect, stay in your lane.

 

[Eldritch]

With all due respect, stay in your lane.

Indeed. I have had friends hospitalized and still suffering long Covid, because they have other conditions or got ill before vaccinations. I took all three available vaccinations and Covid still hit me pretty hard three weeks ago. I'm still suffering from repercussions, but I dread to think how bad it would have been without vaccinations. All Covid denialists are welcome to stick a needle into their eye, if you ask me.

 

[SeniorLife]

Indeed. I have had friends hospitalized and still suffering long Covid, because they have other conditions or got ill before vaccinations. I took all three available vaccinations and Covid still hit me pretty hard three weeks ago. I'm still suffering from repercussions, but I dread to think how bad it would have been without vaccinations. All Covid denialists are welcome to stick a needle into their eye, if you ask me.

I am sorry to hear this. I do hope that full recovery comes sooner than later for you. Get well soon.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Indeed. I have had friends hospitalized and still suffering long Covid, because they have other conditions or got ill before vaccinations. I took all three available vaccinations and Covid still hit me pretty hard three weeks ago. I'm still suffering from repercussions, but I dread to think how bad it would have been without vaccinations. All Covid denialists are welcome to stick a needle into their eye, if you ask me.

And you need to stay in your lane and stop promoting dangerous and outdated information. I'm very satisfied with my decision to not take any vaccines, and guess what? I never get sick. I'm the healthiest person I know. Frankly, I think you need to build up your immune system because it sounds shitty as hell.

 

[bhops]

Indeed. I have had friends hospitalized and still suffering long Covid, because they have other conditions or got ill before vaccinations. I took all three available vaccinations and Covid still hit me pretty hard three weeks ago. I'm still suffering from repercussions, but I dread to think how bad it would have been without vaccinations. All Covid denialists are welcome to stick a needle into their eye, if you ask me.

My assumption is you would've recovered much quicker.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Did you ever go to school? If so, you were vaccinated, you fool, so you didn't get others sick. Where do these people come from??

I wasn't! And I never get sick. I WISH I could get sick, I LOVE having the flu, but I never seem to be able to catch it

 

[Johnnie Ray]

And you need to stay in your lane and stop promoting dangerous and outdated information. I'm very satisfied with my decision to not take any vaccines, and guess what? I never get sick. I'm the healthiest person I know. Frankly, I think you need to build up your immune system because it sounds shitty as hell.

Weird.

 

[Johnnie Ray]

I wasn't! And I never get sick. I WISH I could get sick, I LOVE having the flu, but I never seem to be able to catch it

Trust me, you seem pretty (mentally) ill to me.

 

[Johnnie Ray]

It is really f***ing weird how the far right has randomly glommed on to the "anti-vax" movement...just because. I guess serving in the military or attending school is just not an option for these weird f***s because I would LOVE to see them try to say, "uh yeah, I don't believe in communicable diseases, so uhhh I won't be needing any vaccines, I'm super healthy, Q er, I mean God is protecting me from illness. My immune system is strong like bull... What's that, there used to be a disease called Polio? With all due respect, I don't believe you."