Der Spiegel audio file of Morrissey interview released

Here you go. The recording of the interview.

Der Audiomitschnitt zum SPIEGEL-Interview mit Morrissey - Spiegel Online
Sänger Morrissey fühlt sich nach einem Interview mit dem SPIEGEL falsch zitiert und will nun nie wieder mit Printmedien sprechen. Hören Sie hier den Mitschnitt des Interviews.

English version:

The Audio of DER SPIEGEL's Interview with Morrissey
British pop singer Morrissey has accused DER SPIEGEL of falsely quoting him in a recently published interview. The magazine stands behind its reporting and has made the decision to post the audio online in response.

On Friday, Nov. 10, DER SPIEGEL culture reporter Juliane Liebert told her editors that she had been offered an interview with British popstar Morrissey and that a decision needed to be made quickly on whether to accept. We agreed: The former lead singer of The Smiths doesn't shy away from speaking his mind - and he also doesn't grant interviews very often.

The following Monday, Liebert flew to Los Angeles, where she was to interview Morrissey on Tuesday. The interview appointment got delayed several times before finally taking place on Wednesday and lasting 40 minutes. Edited versions of interviews published in DER SPIEGEL are usually authorized by the interview subject before publication, consistent with established procedure in German journalism. But in this instance, Morrissey's team elected to forego authorization.

After its publication on Nov. 18 in DER SPIEGEL, the interview (available behind the SPIEGEL Plus paywall in German) generated headlines not only in the German-language media. English publications like the Independent also wrote about Morrissey's statements regarding Trump, Brexit, the #MeToo debate and questions of national identity.

The musician then sought to distance himself from the published interview. "Unless you see the words form in my mouth and then you see or hear the words come out of my mouth... please, if you don't see that, I didn't say them," he told fans at a concert. He said he would never grant an interview to a print journalist again.

On Monday, Morrissey followed up with a post on his official Facebook page casting doubt on whether his statements had been reflected accurately by DER SPIEGEL. He also alleged that the fact that the magazine had not yet posted the raw audio of the interview was tantamount to an indirect admission of guilt.

To counter that claim, the editors of DER SPIEGEL have decided to post the audio of the interview online.

You can listen to the interview conducted with Morrissey in Los Angeles on Nov. 15 here:

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Posted by Famous when dead:

Interview mp3 - yours to keep:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/dx1c0j
(the exact file as used on the site).



Media coverage:

• German News Site Releases Audio of Controversial Morrissey Interview: Listen - Pitchfork. Link posted by an anonymous person.
• Morrissey Really Did Say All Those Controversial Things, Newly Released Audio Proves - Uproxx. Link posted by BrummieBoy.
• German news site calls Morrissey's bluff, releases audio of him saying shitty things - AV Club. Link posted by BrummieBoy.
• Audio from Morrissey’s controversial interview has been released, and it proves he wasn’t misquoted - Consequence Of Sound. Link posted by BrummieBoy.
• The audio revealing Morrissey’s defence of Kevin Spacey has been released - Tone Deaf. Link posted by BrummieBoy.
• Der Spiegel releases full audio from Morrissey interview after singer refutes controversial remarks - The Independent. Link posted by Shyness 1s nice.
• Morrissey: Der Spiegel releases audio of controversial interview - BBC News. Link posted by Shyness 1s nice.
• Sorry Morrissey, Der Spiegel Has Audio Proof You're Still an Asshole - Noisey / VICE. Link posted by Shyness 1s nice.

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Related item:

• Der Spiegel audio "to be released in the next days" - Juliane Liebert tweet - Dec. 11, 2017

 

[BrummieBoy]

Sure that you are exactly the opposite of the Cult-Morrissey : you focus on fans who spend their time to defend him shamelessly and you, you spend your time to blame him, to destroy him and to hate him, shamelessly, exactly with the same strength. On your shame scale “Cult Morrissey” I prefer to be on the esteem side, even if it seems exaggerated and blind for you rather than your blind hatred and excessive. All what you write largely exceeds the contempt and calumny, you are straightforwardly in the total destruction of a person, a moral death, not only into constructive critics. So, I wonder if you have a personal history with him to revenge. Perhaps no, perhaps yes, never mind. But you are a suspicious avatar. And your destroying remarks are not good sense, in the same way which you estimate that a fan who defends him is outside good sense.

I’m into the “cult Morrissey” as you say (according my own definition and not yours) but my morality does not collapse only because I listen his music or because I defend him with regard to what I can perceive about him and because I generally try to understand what he means, even if I have not got all the elements, even if I disagree. Excuse me if I don’t know him as well as you seem to know him ! (sarcastic tone) => Print into your head.

To finish, I’ve said :

“Yes, everyone can show compassion for presumed victims and a disgust for the abuser, of course. Since our morality and values speak in first. But our strong belief (deep conviction) can not be only based on our morality and values, but according evidences and the context = “we-have-to-see-it-in-proportion. Otherwise-every-person-on-this-planet-is-guilty”. Yes, yes, yes… He’s right. Simple but insightful”.

“Yes it exists people who goes to an appointment or a casting couch by greed or another interest and shout then about harassment. It also exist some people who lies for any reason, revenge, et caetera. It exists also some stories between adults and minors by consent and sometimes true love. All the situations can exist. And the law says always : evidences, evidences, evidences…”

“It really appears that M. Morrissey seeks to differentiate all the cases : people who know exactly what to expect and all the others circumstances, but every situation must be examined, first by the person with her own conscience and her own awareness of the abuse contexts and in a second time, when there is a lawsuit by the regulations (and then there’s no romance, no emotions, only particular case to look, only presumed facts, a presumed victim, a presumed abuser and consequences).”

=> It seems that you and others on this site are all agree with these subjects. AND according to me, M. Morrissey too, but yes that's only what I perceive. If that's not what you perceive, you don't need to destroy him up to that point. Just saying your critics.

The kind people have a dream:
Morrissey on the guillotine.
When will you die?

 

[reelfountain]

The kind people have a dream:
Morrissey on the guillotine.
When will you die?

Why are you saying Morrissey's head should be removed when he showed such compassion about the current mass rape victims in Germany? Wishing ill or death on somebody, anybody, means you have no compassion and therefore couldn't care less about rape or assault victims anywhere - including those in Hollywood.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's just gaze in awe at this fragment, gained, as it was, from a stinking wankpit in North London, from someone who is a stranger to sunlight, and whose waking thoughts do not extend beyond the mono. If I were Morrissey, I'd be hiring more bodyguards.

Why mention where you think the poster may be?
You do this a lot .You also often add presumed names.

It does appear rather sinister implying the old "I know where you live"adage.
Also suggests you dig into people's personal data .
The former could be seen as intimidating,the latter as abuse of moderator duties.

 

[reelfountain]

Why mention where you think the poster may be?
You do this a lot .You also often add presumed names.

It does appear rather sinister implying the old "I know where you live"adage.
Also suggests you dig into people's personal data .
The former could be seen as intimidating,the latter as abuse of moderator duties.

It's not really sinister - it's pathetic. And inaccurate I can assure you. But people like him are welcome to knock on my door anytime. My Dobermann is constantly hungry.

 

[The Wild Turkey]

Did you really think The Purified Turkey was worried about some interview answers that Moz gave? Is that really what you thought?
Moz set the path to transcendence, which put the purifying process in place. Ya been listening to the wrong things.
Ya better let this musical jewel vibrate and forget the rest of this mess.

 

[URBANUS]

No it isn't, you mono-focused f***knuckle. You are one of the most blinkered, focused freaks it has ever been my displeasure to encounter on this site.

You know nothing about me. You know nothing about what I have done or who I have helped. Nothing.

My compassion has limits.

If I ever have the displeasure of meeting you in person, it will be my delight to push you down a North London manhole, and laugh as you tumble.

I don't have any psychiatric problems.

Pal.

Except with blind, unthinking, unintelligent, brainless, bunts like you, typing horseshit on a second-hand Argos computer they are unsatisfied with.

And now I know you've read this, you're going on ignore, so your brainless horse mess fails to pollute my house. I would wish you all the best, but, honestly, I wouldn't mean a word of it.

And we have a winner for this years best reply Urbanus award. The rest of us can only take note and learn from the master.

Bit gutted he doesn't see me as the biggest freak on here but I must come in as his most hated troll here or else I am gonna wear that Quality Street tin on me head for the whole of 2018.

 

[reelfountain]

And we have a winner for this years best reply Urbanus award. The rest of us can only take note and learn from the master.

Bit gutted he doesn't see me as the biggest freak on here but I must come in as his most hated troll here or else I am gonna wear that Quality Street tin on me head for the whole of 2018.

If that's won the best reply award, then I'm glad it was directed at me.

 

[URBANUS]

If that's won the best reply award, then I'm glad it was directed at me.

You are welcome to take the credit for it!

 

[bhops]

And we have a winner for this years best reply Urbanus award. The rest of us can only take note and learn from the master.

Bit gutted he doesn't see me as the biggest freak on here but I must come in as his most hated troll here or else I am gonna wear that Quality Street tin on me head for the whole of 2018.

Reading it I am feeling a sort of new millennial Bryonesque vibe to it. Poetic and powerful.

 

[URBANUS]

Reading it I am feeling a sort of new millennial Bryonesque vibe to it. Poetic and powerful.

No wonder you're poetic being halfway down the knickers of Rifke. As for me the fishmarket doesn't make me half as excited.

 

[BrummieBoy]

Why are you saying Morrissey's head should be removed when he showed such compassion about the current mass rape victims in Germany? Wishing ill or death on somebody, anybody, means you have no compassion and therefore couldn't care less about rape or assault victims anywhere - including those in Hollywood.

The kind people have a dream:
Morrissey on the guillotine.
When will you die?

 

[BrummieBoy]

Why are you saying Morrissey's head should be removed when he showed such compassion about the current mass rape victims in Germany? Wishing ill or death on somebody, anybody, means you have no compassion and therefore couldn't care less about rape or assault victims anywhere - including those in Hollywood.

We're discussing beheading Morrissey's career as an Corporate Entertainer, not executing Steven Patrick. You might also wish to take a day out of your life to research and list all the people Morrissey has wished an untimely demise upon.

best
BB

 

[BrummieBoy]

Swanson took what was originally intended to be a comedic role and infused it with a tragic vulnerability in a performance so eviscerating and iconic that it still sets the bar for a depiction of the ruinous effects of fame. Her cinematic success could not be less mysterious.
...

Speaking of operatic tragedies: Morrissey is very much in danger of becoming another Norma Desmond, lurching around in the shadow of past glories, aging into a terrible parody of his youthful self.

The real tragedy is that his Voice remains intact and is being shamelessly abused by the current 'Norma Desmond' iteration of 'Morrissey' to ruin the legacy of previous versions of 'Morrissey'.

best
BB

 

[Anonymous]

Defended Spacey and the world went nuts....

 

[Anaesthesine]

The real tragedy is that his Voice remains intact and is being shamelessly abused by the current 'Norma Desmond' iteration of 'Morrissey' to ruin the legacy of previous versions of 'Morrissey'.

best
BB

Indeed: he still sings like a fallen angel.

In the earliest days he appeared to proudly and fearlessly stand for the marginalized and misunderstood in the face of Reagan and Thatcher's myopic, bigoted, reactionary worldview.

Now he comes across like some clueless geezer who watches too much Fox News.

I'll give Morrissey this however: it seems highly unlikely that he's ever been guilty of any sexual impropriety himself. For a pop star, that is no small accomplishment.

 

[BrummieBoy]

Defended Spacey and the world went nuts....

You really don't get it, do you?Let's look at it from another angle. In his 'Autobiography' Morrissey claims he slept on New Street Station in Birmingham after a Patti Smith show at Birmingham Odeon which I also attended. At the time, New Street Station was a cauldron of vice, immorality and criminality. It's entirely possible Morrissey could have faced danger ranging from sexual assault to physical injury by doing such a stupid thing. If he had come to harm, what would that now tell us about Morrissey's parents? He was 16. Would they have been responsible if he had come to harm? No? Then why does Morrissey think he can restrospectively lambast the parent's of a 14 year old boy for trusting an actor not to attempt to molest their son whilst his own parent's allowed him to sleep on a railway station floor? Which comes out best in the risk analysis: Network with older actors vs Sleep on train station floor?

Morrissey also relates tales of attending numerous gigs in Manchester and elsewhere in his early/mid/late adolescence. Was he chaparoned at all times by his parents? By his sister? Or was he allowed to wander around Manchester on his own without supervision from an early age, thus exposing himself to possible abduction and sexual assault or even murder (Moors Murderers etc). Unless and until Morrissey confirms that he was never let out of the house without a supervising parent, sibling or in loco parentis figure during his entire adolescence he is talking dangerous shit with regard to Kevin Spacey and needs to be ruthlessly pilloried until he recants his heresies.

Of course, it's highly probable that Morrissey's parents trusted in a basically benevolent universe and weren't paranoid about their son's safety. They probably didn't assume random strangers would abuse their social trust and assault their precious son. They probably didn't assume that teachers were a threat and thereby allowed Morrissey to go to a school where he relates interpretations of a teacher's possible intentions as likely dubious. Did he relate this matter to his parents?

In summary, as Morrissey relates the events of his teenage years it seems likely that he was often in a position where his parent's weren't fully aware of actions and location. Recall the harrowing bus journey with James Maker. How old was he then? At what age does Morrissey think parent's should remain in charge of their children and all their activities outside the family home? 14? 16? 18? 21? Or 24 when Morrissey finally felt safe enough to leave the nest? Either Morrissey was fully protected on every single occassion he left the family home before the age of 14/16/18 by a supervising relative or he has absolutely no business or moral right to both Victim Blame Anthony Rapp or Victim Shame the parents of Anthony Rapp.

It seems from the evidence that Morrissey's parents weren't neurotic or paranoid and allowed their son considerable freedom to roam, explore and grow up. It is very sad that Morrissey now denigrates Rapp's parents for seemingly offering Anthony similar freedoms to those enjoyed by young Steven at that T.Rex concert at the age of 12. Was his sister with him? How old was she? 14? Or was either his Mom or Dad with him inside the concert hall? That wouldn't be a very Rock and Roll admission, would it? And it isn't relevant.People of various ages get molested at popular music concerts, including at Morrissey shows. It's no longer possible for kids under 14 to attend pop concerts without a supervising adult. But it wasn't like that in the 1970s...was it Steven? Your parents and mine allowed us freedom to go to pop concerts, to roam the cities of Manchester and Birmingham on our own. Why? Because they believed we were safe even if there were ocassional horror stories. Why then wouldn't Rapp's parents trust that their son was safer amongst a professional thespian community? Or is Morrissey really saying that it was a common understanding amongst ordinary people that 14 year old boys weren't safe with male actors as they were all suspected of being predatory pederasts? Did Morrissey share such warped understanding? Does he now? Wouldn't such a view be contemptuously homophobic in equating queer sexuality with predatory behaviour? And isn't raising that now re-iterating the unhelpful idea that young boys/teens aren't safe with certain 'classes' of men such as Actors, Priests, Boy Scout Leaders- rather than clarifying that predators come in all types of manhood regardless of stereotypes or social situation? How is that helpful? How is it helpful to pour scorn on Rapp's parents (and the boy Rapp himself) for not sharing some extremely dubious propositions which Morrissey appears to be trying to vindicate?

If Morrissey was ever once allowed out of the house alone, unescorted to a night-time gig in Manchester before the age of 16 or 18 (depending on your 'age of consent' criteria) then his parent's now stand condemned by their own son. He simply cannot be allowed to disparage the parenting skills of others without understanding that his own parent's behaviour is up for analysis. So, Morrissey? Which is it? Were you escorted to every single social event till the age of 16? Or not? Were you allowed to ride the night bus home? Or walk home alone from central Manchester at any time of the day or night? How old where you when you did this? Were you ever approached and propositioned for sex as a teenage boy whilst unescorted? Did your parent's ever trust you with another adult such as a relative, neighbour or friend? Because that's where most abuse occurs. Not in outlier situations such as off-Broadway parties but in ordinary homes, schools, churches and shopping centres.

If Morrissey thinks he's going to get away with Victim Blaming Rapp and Victim Shaming Rapp's parents, he is going to find out that's not an option whilst BrummieBoy is living and breathing....

f*** you Morrissey....wanker

BrummieBoy
The Shire
Engerland


The kind people have a dream:
Morrissey on the guillotine...
when will you die?

 

[BrummieBoy]

Indeed: he still sings like a fallen angel.

In the earliest days he appeared to proudly and fearlessly stand for the marginalized and misunderstood in the face of Reagan and Thatcher's myopic, bigoted, reactionary worldview.

Now he comes across like some clueless geezer who watches too much Fox News.

I'll give Morrissey this however: it seems highly unlikely that he's ever been guilty of any sexual impropriety himself. For a pop star, that is no small accomplishment.

I've never thought he was a 'racist' and I don't believe he actually endorses the position he set out in Der Spiegel. I think he has just got completely lost within his own 'Hall Of Mirrors'. He thought he could troll the Spacey/Weinstein media furore to his advantage to boost sales of Low In High School. He's done similar things to gain media advantage in the past but this time he's gone too far. It's spectacularly back-fired, exploded in his face in a potentially career-ending implosion. Hoist by his own petard.

He now has a choice. He can continue with this imperious nonsense or he can back down and apologise. Either way, his pain will continue to be reflected in his Voice. I'd much rather hear him sing in anguish at having to finally accept he is flawed and has made terrible errors of judgement than to remain in this delusional space of imagined conspiracies to shut him up or destroy him. He is perfectly entitled to express any views he wishes. He has no entitlement to expect consensual reality to defer to views he has expressed which most people find abhorrent.

Whether or not he repents/recants genuinely, issues an insincere PR rebuttal or explodes in psychotic rage against Der Spiegel facing down his arrogant gaming of the interview process - he will remain fascinating, tragic and the custodian of one of the greatest voices in contemporary music. It's entirely possible to be enthralled by his voice and utterly appalled by his opinions. It's the difference between being a 'fan' and a member of the 'audience'. Between being an Art Hound connoisseur and what he disparagingly called a 'crass consumer' in the baleful 'Kid's A Looker'.

Morrissey isn't very intelligent. He isn't well-read. He isn't a deep thinker. He has to realise that outside his Praetorian Guard of enablers there are people who are seriously intelligent, well-read and can think deeply about his claims to represent 'sincerity' and 'authenticity' and then debunk such claims with effortless ease.

Were he ever foolish enough to challenge my own campaign to bebunk his excesses, there is no phalanx of lawyers, accountants or corporate hirelings that could save him from reputational oblivion. I'm not scared of Morrissey. And I'm not scared of his enablers. He would do well to pause before making any further attempts to control or silence the debate hosted on this website. Or he will have to face 'BrummieBoy' in the 'real world'. He really wouldn't last very long in such an adversarial duel....

I remain hopeful his best work is ahead of him. Sadly, I fear he must now go through some terrifying psychic pain before he is ready to apologise and regain the trust and respect of his audience. But if he cannot apologise and remains locked in this dysfunctional ethical hell-zone then his Voice will reflect that downward spiral. Art isn't meant to be entirely comfortable. He is entitled to trash his life and legacy, but not to trash his Audience and their memories of being inspired by someone he used to be, a different iteration of 'Morrissey', the younger man he now clearly no longer resembles and quite possibly despises...

best
'BrummieBoy'

 

[reelfountain]

You really don't get it, do you?Let's look at it from another angle. In his 'Autobiography' Morrissey claims he slept on New Street Station in Birmingham after a Patti Smith show at Birmingham Odeon which I also attended. At the time, New Street Station was a cauldron of vice, immorality and criminality. It's entirely possible Morrissey could have faced danger ranging from sexual assault to physical injury by doing such a stupid thing. If he had come to harm, what would that now tell us about Morrissey's parents? He was 16. Would they have been responsible if he had come to harm? No? Then why does Morrissey think he can restrospectively lambast the parent's of a 14 year old boy for trusting an actor not to attempt to molest their son whilst his own parent's allowed him to sleep on a railway station floor? Which comes out best in the risk analysis: Network with older actors vs Sleep on train station floor?

Morrissey also relates tales of attending numerous gigs in Manchester and elsewhere in his early/mid/late adolescence. Was he chaparoned at all times by his parents? By his sister? Or was he allowed to wander around Manchester on his own without supervision from an early age, thus exposing himself to possible abduction and sexual assault or even murder (Moors Murderers etc). Unless and until Morrissey confirms that he was never let out of the house without a supervising parent, sibling or in loco parentis figure during his entire adolescence he is talking dangerous shit with regard to Kevin Spacey and needs to be ruthlessly pilloried until he recants his heresies.

Of course, it's highly probable that Morrissey's parents trusted in a basically benevolent universe and weren't paranoid about their son's safety. They probably didn't assume random strangers would abuse their social trust and assault their precious son. They probably didn't assume that teachers were a threat and thereby allowed Morrissey to go to a school where he relates interpretations of a teacher's possible intentions as likely dubious. Did he relate this matter to his parents?

In summary, as Morrissey relates the events of his teenage years it seems likely that he was often in a position where his parent's weren't fully aware of actions and location. Recall the harrowing bus journey with James Maker. How old was he then? At what age does Morrissey think parent's should remain in charge of their children and all their activities outside the family home? 14? 16? 18? 21? Or 24 when Morrissey finally felt safe enough to leave the nest? Either Morrissey was fully protected on every single occassion he left the family home before the age of 14/16/18 by a supervising relative or he has absolutely no business or moral right to both Victim Blame Anthony Rapp or Victim Shame the parents of Anthony Rapp.

It seems from the evidence that Morrissey's parents weren't neurotic or paranoid and allowed their son considerable freedom to roam, explore and grow up. It is very sad that Morrissey now denigrates Rapp's parents for seemingly offering Anthony similar freedoms to those enjoyed by young Steven at that T.Rex concert at the age of 12. Was his sister with him? How old was she? 14? Or was either his Mom or Dad with him inside the concert hall? That wouldn't be a very Rock and Roll admission, would it? And it isn't relevant.People of various ages get molested at popular music concerts, including at Morrissey shows. It's no longer possible for kids under 14 to attend pop concerts without a supervising adult. But it wasn't like that in the 1970s...was it Steven? Your parents and mine allowed us freedom to go to pop concerts, to roam the cities of Manchester and Birmingham on our own. Why? Because they believed we were safe even if there were ocassional horror stories. Why then wouldn't Rapp's parents trust that their son was safer amongst a professional thespian community? Or is Morrissey really saying that it was a common understanding amongst ordinary people that 14 year old boys weren't safe with male actors as they were all suspected of being predatory pederasts? Did Morrissey share such warped understanding? Does he now? Wouldn't such a view be contemptuously homophobic in equating queer sexuality with predatory behaviour? And isn't raising that now re-iterating the unhelpful idea that young boys/teens aren't safe with certain 'classes' of men such as Actors, Priests, Boy Scout Leaders- rather than clarifying that predators come in all types of manhood regardless of stereotypes or social situation? How is that helpful? How is it helpful to pour scorn on Rapp's parents (and the boy Rapp himself) for not sharing some extremely dubious propositions which Morrissey appears to be trying to vindicate?

If Morrissey was ever once allowed out of the house alone, unescorted to a night-time gig in Manchester before the age of 16 or 18 (depending on your 'age of consent' criteria) then his parent's now stand condemned by their own son. He simply cannot be allowed to disparage the parenting skills of others without understanding that his own parent's behaviour is up for analysis. So, Morrissey? Which is it? Were you escorted to every single social event till the age of 16? Or not? Were you allowed to ride the night bus home? Or walk home alone from central Manchester at any time of the day or night? How old where you when you did this? Were you ever approached and propositioned for sex as a teenage boy whilst unescorted? Did your parent's ever trust you with another adult such as a relative, neighbour or friend? Because that's where most abuse occurs. Not in outlier situations such as off-Broadway parties but in ordinary homes, schools, churches and shopping centres.

If Morrissey thinks he's going to get away with Victim Blaming Rapp and Victim Shaming Rapp's parents, he is going to find out that's not an option whilst BrummieBoy is living and breathing....

f*** you Morrissey....wanker

BrummieBoy
The Shire
Engerland

Victim laming Rapp? You mean the gay 14-year-old that was alone in Kevin Spacey's house and willingly entered his bedroom, then years later cried out for attention to help his flagging career?
None of the Hollywood stories are yet fact. It's a historically dirty industry full of disgusting, hypocritical and morally-defunct people - be they actors or producers. We simply don't know for sure exactly what happened in any of these cases yet.
If Morrissey is such a rape apologist, why is concerned about the 1,200 women that were raped by migrants across Germany on the night of New Years Eve 15/16 and the current high rape levels that continue there?
Or are the rapes in German/Sweden too politically inconvenient to be taken seriously, or even discussed? Perhaps sexual assaults in Hollywood fit align with a more correct political agenda.
Me, I don't care about political agendas. I despise them. And so does Morrissey. But evidently people more intelligent and well read as yourself clearly don't.

BB

 

[reelfountain]

Victim blaming Rapp? You mean the gay 14-year-old that was alone in Kevin Spacey's house and willingly entered his bedroom, then years later cried out for attention to help his flagging career?
None of the Hollywood stories are yet fact. It's a historically dirty industry full of disgusting, hypocritical and morally-defunct people - be they actors or producers. We simply don't know for sure exactly what happened in any of these cases yet.
If Morrissey is such a rape apologist, why is concerned about the 1,200 women that were raped by migrants across Germany on the night of New Years Eve 15/16 and the current high rape levels that continue there?
Or are the rapes in German/Sweden too politically inconvenient to be taken seriously, or even discussed? Perhaps sexual assaults in Hollywood align with a more correct political agenda.
Me, I don't care about political agendas. I despise them. And so does Morrissey. But evidently people so intelligent and well read as yourself don't.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

Victim blaming Rapp? You mean the gay 14-year-old that was alone in Kevin Spacey's house and willingly entered his bedroom, then years later cried out for attention to help his flagging career?
None of the Hollywood stories are yet fact. It's a historically dirty industry full of disgusting, hypocritical and morally-defunct people - be they actors or producers. We simply don't know for sure exactly what happened in any of these cases yet.
If Morrissey is such a rape apologist, why is concerned about the 1,200 women that were raped by migrants across Germany on the night of New Years Eve 15/16 and the current high rape levels that continue there?
Or are the rapes in German/Sweden too politically inconvenient to be taken seriously, or even discussed? Perhaps sexual assaults in Hollywood align with a more correct political agenda.
Me, I don't care about political agendas. I despise them. And so does Morrissey. But evidently people so intelligent and well read as yourself don't.

For accuracy the 'rapes' you speak of were sexual assaults. Much of the assaults being groping. Not downplaying sexual assault but it's important to be accurate. Then you have 120 suspects, around half of them migrants. Keeping it factual.