"As a black teenager, I loved Morrissey. But heaven knows..." - Guardian article by Joshua Surtees

Going by how many anti-Corbyn articles the Guardian managed to publish after he was first elected leader, I suspect they've got about another 150 of these anti-Morrissey pieces in the pipeline...

As a black teenager, I loved Morrissey. But heaven knows I’m miserable now - Opinion / The Guardian
By Joshua Surtees
I used to defend Morrissey against accusations of racism. Now I feel betrayed by his support for bigots like Tommy Robinson

(And it's some top class trolling, using "Heaven Knows..." in the article title, given how much they know Morrissey hates that and "Bigmouth" being used in headlines.)

This is never going to end unless Morrissey backtracks/apologises. Which means: this is never going to end.

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[bored]

Yes. I'm saying THAT. Morrissey is a radical animal rights activist. I love him for it. He's NOT a racist. This thread is absurd.

Would you say he is opposed to Muslims emigrating to England?
Would you say he is a person who would like England to have its culture not be infiltrated by foreigners?

I think both of those statements are true.

If we use the first definition that Google gives for racism:

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

Then I don't think he is racist. I do not think he believes whites are superior.

I don't know why he doesn't want Muslims to come to England. Does he only want to hear the English language with a local accent? Does he dislike these people because they are typically darker in skin color? Does he oppose them because he doesn't want to live in a country where people might someday try to make Sharia law be the actual laws?

What would be hard to argue is that he is not opposed to Muslims emigrating to England when he supports For Britain and Anne Marie Waters who for the most part have a single point agenda which is to be anti-Muslim immigration. If he doesn't care about that then what does that party offer to him that I am missing?

So hopefully you will answer the first two questions with reasons why you chose your answer and the last question if you think his support of For Britain has nothing to do with Muslims.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

I always thought it was convenient that the Manson fam showed up at his house while Polanski happened to be out of town

Bruce Lee spoke about how he was invited to Europe by Polanski and some industry people. He said when he was there , Polanski and others were soliciting teenage prostitutes for sex and that they looked very young. Bruce was disgusted by this and thought that European Jews had little morals.. Also fun fact, Bruce Lee was a suspect in Sharon Tate's murder for a minute

You learn something everything day.

 

[reelfountain]

In 2018, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences voted to expel Polanski from its membership because of the statutory rape case.

Are you @bhops arguing that Roman Polanski got away with this because he is "a Jew?"
That is the argument you're in.

Playing devil's advocate as usual, Truth? That's your MO.

Now, for years Hollywood worshipped this man - until it became unfashionable to do so.

Hollywood is famously a Jewish industry so I believe he wouldn't have got to become a respected film director in Hollywood in the first instance if he wasn't a Jew. So yes, it follows that he wouldn't be worshipped in the fawning way that he was if he wasn't. To Meryl Streep & co. he was 'one of us', a good mensch - despite everything.

By 2018 the whole MeToo nonsense had happened so 'expelling' him was too late to sound convincing.

 

[reelfountain]

You learn something everything day.

Bruce Lee sounds like a smart decent guy.

 

[reelfountain]

Would you say he is opposed to Muslims emigrating to England?
Would you say he is a person who would like England to have its culture not be infiltrated by foreigners?

I think both of those statements are true.

If we use the first definition that Google gives for racism:

"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

Then I don't think he is racist. I do not think he believes whites are superior.

I don't know why he doesn't want Muslims to come to England. Does he only want to hear the English language with a local accent? Does he dislike these people because they are typically darker in skin color? Does he oppose them because he doesn't want to live in a country where people might someday try to make Sharia law be the actual laws?

What would be hard to argue is that he is not opposed to Muslims emigrating to England when he supports For Britain and Anne Marie Waters who for the most part have a single point agenda which is to be anti-Muslim immigration. If he doesn't care about that then what does that party offer to him that I am missing?

So hopefully you will answer the first two questions with reasons why you chose your answer and the last question if you think his support of For Britain has nothing to do with Muslims.

Of course Moz is opposed to Muslim migration to Britain. Here's some obvious reasons:

1) Mohammed is the No. 1 boys name in England and has been for years now.

2) London's mayor is a Muslim and so is much of London.

3) Every murderous terrorist attack in England in recent times has been Islamic.

4) The churches and pubs have been coming down and the mosques going up.

5) Demographically Muslims are growing exponentially in England, a tiny country with a low white birth rate. In time they will become the most dominant group, hence England becoming a Muslim country with Sharia Law.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Playing devil's advocate as usual, Truth? That's your MO.

Now, for years Hollywood worshipped this man - until it became unfashionable to do so.

Hollywood is famously a Jewish industry so I believe he wouldn't have got to become a respected film director in Hollywood in the first instance if he wasn't a Jew. So yes, it follows that he wouldn't be worshipped in the fawning way that he was if he wasn't. To Meryl Streep & co. he was 'one of us', a good mensch - despite everything.

By 2018 the whole MeToo nonsense had happened so 'expelling' him was too late to sound convincing.

He's also talented.........Chinatown, Bitter Moon, Tess and The Pianist........are all excellent movies.

 

[reelfountain]

Just checked out Joshua Surtees Twitter page and predictably it consists of an extensive list of virtue-signalling.

Being acknowledged as a saviour is like a mental obsession to these people.

 

[reelfountain]

He's also talented.........Chinatown, Bitter Moon, Tess and The Pianist........are all excellent movies.

Talent means nothing when you're a rapist paedophile. The man should be in prison.

 

[The Truth]

Playing devil's advocate as usual, Truth? That's your MO.

Now, for years Hollywood worshipped this man - until it became unfashionable to do so.

Hollywood is famously a Jewish industry so I believe he wouldn't have got to become a respected film director in Hollywood in the first instance if he wasn't a Jew. So yes, it follows that he wouldn't be worshipped in the fawning way that he was if he wasn't. To Meryl Streep & co. he was 'one of us', a good mensch - despite everything.

By 2018 the whole MeToo nonsense had happened so 'expelling' him was too late to sound convincing.

See, what confuses me is how you can think #MeToo is nonsense but also (rightfully) be angry about powerful people who are known rapists.
I get it, you hate Jewish people and I also get that you think you're clever. It's really painful to read your oh so very clever language.

 

[The Truth]

Talent means nothing when you're a rapist paedophile. The man should be in prison.

So you support #MeToo? I do.

 

[Anonymous]

It's really painful to read your oh so very clever language.

Pot, kettle, black

 

[ForgotHowIGotMyName]

I totally support #MeToo

 

[The Truth]

Pot, kettle, black

I really don't think I do what she does but if you feel that way, keep scrolling.

 

[reelfountain]

So you support #MeToo? I do.

I am not pro-rape in any capacity. But the actresses of the MeToo movement are liars. Men exploit women but women also exploit men. The casting couch of Hollywood is mutual exploitation. Sex for a career or improving a career. Hollywood is a dirty industry where people would climb over dead bodies to get to the top. These coldly ambitious women are screaming rape as a lucrative tactic, which of course is a disgrace to all real rape victims out there. All of them got down on their knees and unzipped Weinstein's pants willingly.

 

[The Truth]

I am not pro-rape in any capacity. But the actresses of the MeToo movement are liars. Men exploit women but women also exploit men. The casting couch of Hollywood is mutual exploitation. Sex for a career or improving a career. Hollywood is a dirty industry where people would climb over dead bodies to get to the top. These coldly ambitious women are screaming rape as a lucrative tactic, which of course is a disgrace to all real rape victims out there. All of them got down on their knees and unzipped Weinstein's pants willingly.

How do you know?

 

[reelfountain]

How do you know?

I logically came to this conclusion... and it didn't take very long. I reckon a monkey would come to the same conclusion. These women are whores. They suck their way to the top. Hollywood is no different to the porno industry. It's even run by the same people.

 

[The Truth]

I logically came to this conclusion... and it didn't take very long. I reckon a monkey would come to the same conclusion. These women are whores. They suck their way to the top. Hollywood is no different to the porno industry. It's even run by the same people.

Who needs facts when you have "logic?" Okay.

 

[reelfountain]

Who needs facts when you have "logic?" Okay.

Absolutely. Good intuition too. A well-oiled bullshit detector.

You say I hate Jews. That's interesting. Do you love Jews?

 

[The Truth]

Absolutely. Good intuition too. A well-oiled bullshit detector.

You say I hate Jews. That's interesting. Do you love Jews?

I do.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

im upset that neil Is probably gay. the evidence? he likes Jacques demy films and is soooooooooooo sooooooooooooo pretty. im not angry with him for being gay. it's who he is. but it's hard for me to accept because he's the most perfect man ever (even gay he's the most perfect man ever), and there will never be another. so gay men get the most perfect man ever and women are just supposed to content themselves with duds. im going to write an article to the guardian about how i feel betrayed about that. maybe suede will invite me on tour?!