All UK/European gigs postponed due to "logistical circumstances beyond our control" - management

As I mentioned earlier today, this has now come to pass.

'Logistical issues'.

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From @gigsandtours / Twitter:

NEWS// Morrissey tour statement.

Due to logistical circumstances beyond our control, the UK/European Morrissey concerts scheduled for July will be postponed.

We deeply regret any inconvenience to the fans and promise to reschedule UK and European dates as soon as possible.

All original purchasers from official ticket outlets will have the full ticket fee refunded, including booking fee, to their credit/debit cards. Refunds from ticket agents will be actioned from midday on Monday 2nd July.

The LIHS World Tour will continue, starting back up in Mexico City on November 23rd.

Watch for more dates to be added soon!

The LIHS World Tour has been Morrissey’s most successful tour to date, having achieved record business for the artist in both the U.S. and the UK.

We thank all the fans for their support. -
Management

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Media coverage:

• an open letter to Morrissey by johnrobb - Louder Than War. Link posted by Uncleskinny.
• Love Music Hate Racism by Fiona Dodwell - Tremr. Link posted by Thewlis (original post).
• Oi, Morrissey – stop being such a f***ing snowflake by Tom Connick - NME Blogs. Link posted by an anonymous person (original post).

 

[nicky wire's legs]

I imagine the amount of self-loathing going on in uncle skinny must be unreal. unfortunately it's not the sexy kind.

 

[Anonymous]

do you really think that if Morrissey knew how this would all turn out that he would've done or said anything differently? I think that's where you're wrong about Morrissey. I don't think he would've done anything differently. because he isn't phoney like that. he's not sly. he doesn't play to the media, tell the public what they want to hear. by saying "you are never bigger than the media and the public" what you are really saying is that authenticity is less important than popularity gained by selling yourself out, and I'm pretty sure Morrissey would disagree wholeheartedly with that, as would I. (love you Morrissey! take care of yourself, sweetie, cause I cant live in this world without you!!)

No, we all have impulses to say and act certain ways when we feel people aren't watching, or watching as closely, and often those ways are not more honest. We are simply less serious about the degree of their ignorance.

I don't know what Morrissey would have done differently, but I think anyone in his position should understand that they probably could have got theirmessage across in a less flippant, and antagonizing manner. The sporadic attempts at damage control suggest that he, at least, somewhat agrees.

Of course, with Morrissey there's always that juvenile obsession with the idea of never saying you're sorry, and never admitting to being wrong. Still, considering his strange turnabout regarding the Monarchy, and his distancing himself from the vegan label, and even the Brexit label, I think it's safe to say that he's still moving the goalposts whenever anyone has him pinned down.

Morrissey is not so different than your average person, in the sense that he places a premium on his own thoughts, and tends to assume that they're more widely appreciated than they really are.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I know. The italy fascism founded the politically term "fascism". But there is a modern general explanation of "fascism":

Following on from the dimensions proposed by Gentile, some typical elements of fascist currents are shown below, such as

the leader principle,
the totality claim,
the military-oriented party organization
a culturally based, irrational secular replacement religion based on myths, rites and symbols,
a corporate, hierarchical economic organization,
and a totalitarian society modeled on functional hierarchies.

(source: german wikipedia)

So, basically standard fascism.

 

[countthree]

Obviously I was referring to fascism lato sensu, in the sense of a totalitarian regime, that is a regime that allows only one point of view about social and economical matters. Not stricto sensu like Italian Fascism.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

You mean the made up kind of fascism that isn't actually fascism?

 

[NealCassidy]

Hey skinny, remember this?


You seemed very happy to be 5 feet away from a “racist” here didn’t you?? You bloody nazi you!

Very interesting!

 

[Truth]

Imagine being ThickSkinny.
Kids and wife hating you, Spending the main part of your adult life on a website dedicated to a singer you despise, your every post getting trolled down due to its fascist undertones. Then posting them again because you really have no f***ing other thing to do with your life.

Sad Aging Dad on his Estate.

He even quit being a mod and tried to leave but he has nowhere to go.

 

[Truth]

Skinny there ; happy to be at the first Moz Army meet , although only speaking to a selected few.
Now he’s no longer the number one main Moz man ,Mastermind , ICA etc he’s gone into full on hate mode.
Happiest he’s ever been by all accounts but seems to spend all his time talking about a man he hates.
Previously he was nailed on that Smiths would reform ; now stopped with that on back of some bullshit Joyce story.
The original Look At Me

You people have got his number!

 

[Anonymous]

Obviously I was referring to fascism lato sensu, in the sense of a totalitarian regime, that is a regime that allows only one point of view about social and economical matters. Not stricto sensu like Italian Fascism.

Those are dictatorships. Not all dictatorships are fascist.

There are Left Wing dictatorships, and there are Right Wing dictatorships, but each prefer a different bias in terms of how they practice control.

The key feature of dictatorships is their lack of democratic mechanisms to alleviate political disenchantment, and their air-tight control of information.

There is no real government control of the media when it allows for biased, private media corporations to counter even official government media.

America is interesting in that it functions under the guise of equal debate, but allows such extreme degrees of tailored marketing to influence its public discourse that it can pretend it's not a Banana Republic when it is the very definition of one.

So, you can be "free" to publish your opinion, but money to fund noise can drown out that freedom, and diminish its reach, and reduce it to little more than white noise.

Freedom without rules becomes a form of constraint. It's the reason why we have rules in sports, and other games. Without them, there is less "play."

It then gets reduced back down to the brass tacks of money/power equals influence. Democracy is real in a institutional sense, but it's raw power is practically diminished by better funded marketing.

Not everyone has equal access to information.

 

[countthree]

I'd like to add I'm not being nice and sweet here and many of you could hate me because you presume I think something I actually don't think. But you are not supposed to be kind in front of fascism. I'm very upset not only as a Morrissey fan but as a witness of what's happening around the world and especially in Europe, a place one could think should be a bastion of intellectual freedom after having suffered so many genocides and totalitarian regimes and threats.
I do think this kind of totalitarian behavior, such as social bullying and public harassment endorsed by media, is very serious. It can frighten people and is able to change people's minds and life decisions. Fear and unconcious fear are huge factors in human life and nobody deserves to live under those machiavellian conditions. Maybe I'm more sensible to fascism because I lived most of my life in a quite totalitarian society, it does not matter from what sector of the political arc the totalitarian or fascist behavior comes from. I saw everything and I can't be naïf anymore.

 

[Anonymous]

Very interesting!

Why the wonder?

Many people on social media announce their divorce days after posting, "Best husband ever!" after opening a box full of puppies.

Relationships can change on a dime when characters are revealed.

All love is conditional.

If you're dog could talk, you would kill him.

 

[Truth]

Well this is an interesting post, you have just spent the last x months saying me and Skinny are same person. Funny how Trolls unravel when they realise they have been found out. Tell me again why you think all the Moz UK gigs are sold out, tell me why you think Johnny Marr' s album isn't released via Warner Bros, when its actually stamped on the CD's, tell me again why James are a small time band, when their last album only missed being number one due to Adele releasing an album at the the same time and they have sold out Castlefield Bowl twice in the last 4 years, tell me again why you took the piss out of Echo and the Bunnymen playing the Usher Hall in Edinburgh, when they actually sold it out and Morrissey didn't, tell me again why New Order are a sucky band with no followers even though the Manchester evening news printed a transcript of the Peter Hook court case stating that they made £11.75 million quid between 2012 and 2016 and they sold out Castlefield bowl in 10 mins

Face facts fella, you are a troll, you need help, no one responds to your posts here anymore ( your having my time for one night only) so find another site thats as tolerant as David T

"No one responds to your posts anymore," he responded.

 

[Anonymous]

I'd like to add I'm not being nice and sweet here and many of you could hate me because you presume I think something I actually don't think. But you are not supposed to be kind in front of fascism. I'm very upset not only as a Morrissey fan but as a witness of what's happening around the world and especially in Europe, a place one could think should be a bastion of intellectual freedom after having suffered so many genocides and totalitarian regimes and threats.
I do think this kind of totalitarian behavior, such as social bullying and public harassment endorsed by media, is very serious. It can frighten people and is able to change people's minds and life decisions. Fear and unconcious fear are huge factors in human life and nobody deserves to live under those machiavellian conditions. Maybe I'm more sensible to fascism because I lived most of my life in a quite totalitarian society, it does not matter from what sector of the political arc the totalitarian or fascist behavior comes from. I saw everything and I can't be naïf anymore.

Everything you mentioned is a response to social, and cultural bullying.

Minorities are being marginalized, and bullied for things they have not done. They were scapegoated in America during the Great Recession, and they are scapegoated when it comes to jobs, and cultural rot throughout Europe. It's the typical response to under-performing majority classes throughout history.

You don't know what that feels like because you are not the minority. You fear being the minority, which should give you some perspective on how minorities might feel in places where they are simply trying to eek out a life for their families.

Of course, none of that matters. It's all about you.

Fascism is exactly what's occurring on the Conservative spectrum right now, and people like you are only fueling, and enabling it.

It's an almost exact repeat of what occurred in the early twentieth-century. It will end the same way, and the same embarrassments will be debated form here on out.

History repeats.

 

[countthree]

do you really think that if Morrissey knew how this would all turn out that he would've done or said anything differently? I think that's where you're wrong about Morrissey. I don't think he would've done anything differently. because he isn't phoney like that. he's not sly. he doesn't play to the media, tell the public what they want to hear. by saying "you are never bigger than the media and the public" what you are really saying is that authenticity is less important than popularity gained by selling yourself out, and I'm pretty sure Morrissey would disagree wholeheartedly with that, as would I. (love you Morrissey! take care of yourself, sweetie, cause I cant live in this world without you!!)

Totally agree. The day you admit a man is less valuable than the society he belongs to, that's the day you are burying human rights.

 

[gonzax]

Low ticket sales in Manchester? really? allow me to doubt that!

 

[Anonymous]

Very interesting!

Clapping like a seal.
He got the ticket because he "deserved it".

 

[StalinsPipe]

Low ticket sales in Manchester? really? allow me to doubt that!

There really was low ticket sales. Both nights still had tickets available.

 

[Anonymous]

Low ticket sales in Manchester? really? allow me to doubt that!

Really? Let me help clarify something for you: Less than half of tickets for both nights had been sold.

 

[Freedom of thought]

Does he mean logistical issues for the people he expected to turn up. Not one gig was sold out either standing or seated. He’s f***ed up big time spouting his shit that is completely out of touch with what most people think.

It’s also made Vegan Cro look like a bigger prick than he already is, after all his posts about the gigs being sold out, the troll wanker.

It's a minority viewpoint, and therefore, by Liberal logic should be cherrished

 

[Thewlis]

There really was low ticket sales. Both nights still had tickets available.

Low is relative then. 16,000 tickets available, ‘hundreds’ have been said to be still available.
So that’s more tickets sold than most times he’s played Manchester in the past 35 years ;-)